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Saw 6 seasons of it with JBo.

Same thing today. LSU saw the sagging defense employed against S. Carolina and started licking their chops. Even bad shots falling today because they have the enthusiasm of knowing they were going to get open looks today.

Complete lack of defensive fundamentals. So frustrating that the Hawkeye hoops teams I root for either play zero defense, or very poor defense
 
Saw 6 seasons of it with JBo.

Same thing today. LSU saw the sagging defense employed against S. Carolina and started licking their chops. Even bad shots falling today because they have the enthusiasm of knowing they were going to get open looks today.

Complete lack of defensive fundamentals. So frustrating that the Hawkeye hoops teams I root for either play zero defense, or very poor defense
You are really over simplifying the game eyes…LSY is shooting lights out and also, LSU is a damn fine basketball team.
One game championships decide who was best…that one day. Maybe Iowa has one more finish left in them…
 
Saw 6 seasons of it with JBo.

Same thing today. LSU saw the sagging defense employed against S. Carolina and started licking their chops. Even bad shots falling today because they have the enthusiasm of knowing they were going to get open looks today.

Complete lack of defensive fundamentals. So frustrating that the Hawkeye hoops teams I root for either play zero defense, or very poor defense
ummmm hard to play def when the refs don't allow you too
 
You are really over simplifying the game eyes…LSY is shooting lights out and also, LSU is a damn fine basketball team.
One game championships decide who was best…that one day. Maybe Iowa has one more finish left in them…
ummmm hard to play def when the refs don't allow you too
Bluder hasn't had one good defensive team in 23 seasons at Iowa
 
Saw 6 seasons of it with JBo.

Same thing today. LSU saw the sagging defense employed against S. Carolina and started licking their chops. Even bad shots falling today because they have the enthusiasm of knowing they were going to get open looks today.

Complete lack of defensive fundamentals. So frustrating that the Hawkeye hoops teams I root for either play zero defense, or very poor defense
One team just beat the defending national champions on Friday and won five games in the ncaa tourney in the past couple weeks.
The other has won maybe five ncaa tourney games the past two decades combined.
Can’t really compare the two.
 
One team just beat the defending national champions on Friday and won five games in the ncaa tourney in the past couple weeks.
The other has won maybe five ncaa tourney games the past two decades combined.
Can’t really compare the two.
The point was that both teams don't have a coach that gives a crap about defense. That has been very obvious for a long time
 
Saw 6 seasons of it with JBo.

Same thing today. LSU saw the sagging defense employed against S. Carolina and started licking their chops. Even bad shots falling today because they have the enthusiasm of knowing they were going to get open looks today.

Complete lack of defensive fundamentals. So frustrating that the Hawkeye hoops teams I root for either play zero defense, or very poor defense

Iowa was 31-7 so they might have played a little defense. What a load of crap you just spewed. Give LSU some credit today. I don't know any team that could have withstood that barrage of threes in the second quarter.
 
Lol they lost in the National Championship game….stfu and enjoy the accomplishment. Our “fans” are the absolute worst. Well maybe 2nd worst behind the officiating today.
Amazing run for sure. So proud of the girls and happy for them.

You have a complaint about the officiating. I will always have a complaint about that poor of defense. It's not the players' fault. The defensive fundamentals just haven't been coached into them.

They were good enough to get away with it for most of the season. But eventually, it's going to bite you in the ass. To me, it's offensive that very well-paid coaches, who compete at that high of a level, carry such a blatant deficiency season after season.

Not trying to bury Bluder. She did an amazing job getting the team to believe the dream. Fran certainly has built the foundation of my frustration.

But can a team every realistically expect to win it all without ever really being any good defensively?

Or, just take the recent strategy. Sagging against S. Carolina worked. But it came back to bite the Hawks today, as LSU came in so confident they would get open looks that they were almost frothing at the mouth. Amongst so much more, to expect to win two final four games by hoping the other teams will continue to miss open shots is at no point a winning strategy
 
Iowa was 31-7 so they might have played a little defense. What a load of crap you just spewed. Give LSU some credit today. I don't know any team that could have withstood that barrage of threes in the second quarter.
The point was that the barrage of threes wasn't at all surprising against an Iowa defense.

Players feel like they're shooting at an ocean vs. Iowa. More importantly, it's the mindset they come into the game with vs. Iowa. We saw it over and over again with JBo. The body language that people he was guarding displayed was just different. Pure confidence and enthusiasm for the opportunity to get some points. Everyone going against him felt like it was their birthday. And when matched up against one of the better players, it was obvious that player felt disrespected to be guarded by JBo, and was hungry to make him pay.

The LSU players had the same look in their eye and body language as every player that was ever out to abuse JBo. They saw the sagging defense Iowa played vs S. Carolina, and best believe turned that into a respect card. That, the encouragement to let it fly, and the confidence that good looks will be available vs. Iowa just gives players the ultimate shooter's mindset to enter a game with.

Although Bluder isn't much for coaching defense either, this is mostly a complaint about Fran. And I probably shouldn't have brought it up and the end of such a great run by the ladies. But teams throwing in everything they put up, including bad and lucky shots, just isn't surprising against Iowa. How many times has some random player gone off against Iowa? Or some guy that's only hit two 3's all season hits a back-breaker. These things happen against Iowa. It's not some curse from the basketball gods out to get Iowa. It's the curse of a failure to prepare
 
The point was that both teams don't have a coach that gives a crap about defense. That has been very obvious for a long time
Go back to your Neb. site. One team was hot today and the refs didn't help. Iowa came in second in the nation today and all you do is bitch. SC held teams under 55 points per game this year. Would you rather see that crap all year or have a Hawkeye team that scores in the 80's. Oh, you expect both and to win ever game. Go back to your basement. Thank you.
 
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Go back to your Neb. site. One team was hot today and the refs didn't help. Iowa came in second in the nation today and all you do is bitch. SC held teams under 55 points per game this year. Would you rather see that crap all year or have a Hawkeye team that scores in the 80's. Oh, you expect both and to win ever game. Go back to your basement. Thank you.
I prefer high scoring basketball since you asked. More than that, I prefer winning, which SC has done.

What I expect is for coaches at that level of ball to be at least competent in all areas of the game. It's not like despite everyone's best efforts the defense just didn't click one season. I can't remember a good defensive team under Bluder. And Fran's defensive approach has been down right negligent. It's not unreasonable to expect an honest effort to coach defense from coaches at that level, making that kind of money
 
Iowa looks like they drained the tank against South Carolina.

South Carolina could have had the win also, they just chose not to take the outside looks that Iowa was allowing,.. I think Bluder's plan to pack the paint was her best option with both of these teams...
 
And I probably shouldn't have brought it up and the end of such a great run by the ladies.
Agreed.

Pointing out a weakness of a team that just played in the National Championship game is, at best, poor timing. Not to mention they just beat a team that had won 42 in a row with a creative defense.
 
Despite the outlier of Carson having getting so hot that she even made a bank in 3 wild shot, and the officiating that allowed a basketball game to become the WWE the Hawks had momentum down by 7 in 3rd....then once officials bailed LSU out and got them the momentum back....letter of the law is used by someone as reason, any reason will do to show their power over something. There were over the backs knocking ball out of bounds, hard foul in lane that got overlooked by officials. There was LSU coach prancing on the court during play like a lunatic..letter of law is technical if official cares to enforce it.

The tactic LSU coach used of bringing in a reserve to trade fouls with the other teams star is not anything new...but officials seem to go along with that like they knew exactly what to do. But please she grabbed Clark's arm then flopped!!

Just stop the obtuse narrative that "officials didn't cost anything in the game". ....they did and who knows what prejudices people (e.g. officials) really have built up in them.
 
She is an “offensive” minded coach...this years team play pretty good defense...but they are horrible rebounders. They give opponents too many second and third chances. Every one of their loses this season can be traced back to sloppy board play.
Almost all poor board play can be traced back to poor defense.

It's fine to be an offensive minded coach. But you have to be at least below average at defense. That's not what's happening under Fran and Lisa
 
Almost all poor board play can be traced back to poor defense.

It's fine to be an offensive minded coach. But you have to be at least below average at defense. That's not what's happening under Fran and Lisa
"Almost" being the operative word....... Back in the day (1969-70) UIowa had perhaps its BEST basketball team ever.....They gave up points but scored more......their "defense" could be questioned but their strength was REBOUNDING! They got the ball off the boards, and scored many a fast break basket. They didn't score a lot of points from a "set offense" their offense/scoring was keyed by their rebounding and outlet passing. (For Ralph you never threw a bounce pass...unless you wanted a seat next to him on the bench.) Ralph like to score points but his scoring was designed of his teams ability to full court press and rebound/fast break.
Iowa's women's defense really is not the issue as much as their inability to rebound the ball and limit their opponents opportunities. And I think "rebounding" is much like "special teams" in football...a lot of it is desire and hustle. You gotta put a body on a body....
 
One good indication of offense versus defense is average margin of points scored by the offense over the other team's defense.
 
I think it's time to quit blaming J-Bo like he's the main/only problem on defense. Last year with him, we ended up with defense around 85th. This year without him our defense was in the 160's...
 
I think it's time to quit blaming J-Bo like he's the main/only problem on defense. Last year with him, we ended up with defense around 85th. This year without him our defense was in the 160's...
We had six years of JBo and CMac trying to defend guards they had no chance against. Case in point: Everyone from Oregon’s backcourt, Gilyard from Richmond.
 
I think it's time to quit blaming J-Bo like he's the main/only problem on defense. Last year with him, we ended up with defense around 85th. This year without him our defense was in the 160's...
See, he has a lasting impact.
 
"Almost" being the operative word....... Back in the day (1969-70) UIowa had perhaps its BEST basketball team ever.....They gave up points but scored more......their "defense" could be questioned but their strength was REBOUNDING! They got the ball off the boards, and scored many a fast break basket. They didn't score a lot of points from a "set offense" their offense/scoring was keyed by their rebounding and outlet passing. (For Ralph you never threw a bounce pass...unless you wanted a seat next to him on the bench.) Ralph like to score points but his scoring was designed of his teams ability to full court press and rebound/fast break.
Iowa's women's defense really is not the issue as much as their inability to rebound the ball and limit their opponents opportunities. And I think "rebounding" is much like "special teams" in football...a lot of it is desire and hustle. You gotta put a body on a body....

You can't put a body on a body when you are out of position due to poor defense. Positioning is the most important part of rebounding. A short and unathletic team that plays sound defense can hold their own just fine on the boards.

Just like the men, the Iowa women did not do a good enough job yesterday of containing the ball, so rebounding position could be maintained, and early work could be done on the boards. Keeping the ball in front of you is the first building block that gets put into a defense. And it's pretty much non-negotiable for every coach in the country that isn't (offensive minded).

Once the ball has penetrated a defense, not only has the whole defense been broken down, but rebounding position has been compromised. You are right, that once in this vulnerable position, without athletes, or players with a special drive to pursue the ball, it's pretty much impossible to catch up.

But Iowa is plenty athletic enough to play solid defense and prevent compromisimg their rebounding position. The blocks of fundamental defense were just never put in place by the the staff to be built upon.

Even teams that automatically front the post, double the post, hard hedge on ball-screens, etc, are momentarily vulnerable while in rotation. This is in spite of them being prepared to know their exact rotation out of the action.

So imagine how helpless a defense is trying to rotate on the fly to make up for their defense being penetrated. All in a split second, 5 players have to correctly execute how much to help, who rotates and to where, how aggressively to close-out, when to switch, etc. Without having the first building block of containing the ball in place, there's no way a defense is going to consistently execute any of these other principles. And one very common result of poor defense is offensive rebounds.

Just not sure offensive coaches can win it all without the defense at least being competent. Good defense just requires too much discipline having been instilled for the steps and the work to not be emphasized. I bet McDermott at Creighton is sure wishing that he had built a more disciplined defense, as the season of his really good team was ended on a silly foul
 
You can't put a body on a body when you are out of position due to poor defense. Positioning is the most important part of rebounding. A short and unathletic team that plays sound defense can hold their own just fine on the boards.

Just like the men, the Iowa women did not do a good enough job yesterday of containing the ball, so rebounding position could be maintained, and early work could be done on the boards. Keeping the ball in front of you is the first building block that gets put into a defense. And it's pretty much non-negotiable for every coach in the country that isn't (offensive minded).

Once the ball has penetrated a defense, not only has the whole defense been broken down, but rebounding position has been compromised. You are right, that once in this vulnerable position, without athletes, or players with a special drive to pursue the ball, it's pretty much impossible to catch up.

But Iowa is plenty athletic enough to play solid defense and prevent compromisimg their rebounding position. The blocks of fundamental defense were just never put in place by the the staff to be built upon.

Even teams that automatically front the post, double the post, hard hedge on ball-screens, etc, are momentarily vulnerable while in rotation. This is in spite of them being prepared to know their exact rotation out of the action.

So imagine how helpless a defense is trying to rotate on the fly to make up for their defense being penetrated. All in a split second, 5 players have to correctly execute how much to help, who rotates and to where, how aggressively to close-out, when to switch, etc. Without having the first building block of containing the ball in place, there's no way a defense is going to consistently execute any of these other principles. And one very common result of poor defense is offensive rebounds.

Just not sure offensive coaches can win it all without the defense at least being competent. Good defense just requires too much discipline having been instilled for the steps and the work to not be emphasized. I bet McDermott at Creighton is sure wishing that he had built a more disciplined defense, as the season of his really good team was ended on a silly foul
I watched it live for a full year......the key for an offensive-minded team is to limit second/third shots and make the opposition "hurry up" on offense (get them running).....then rebound and get the ball to the sidelines and up the floor. Iowa's defense positioning really is not that bad.....both men and women need a more aggressive presence under the rim. Back in 1970, Dick Jensen and to a lesser degree, Glenn Vidnovik were that person.
Iowa women had trouble with "bigger"teams all season long.....and LSU made a lot of shots! (just like Maryland to them did last month.)
 
I watched it live for a full year......the key for an offensive-minded team is to limit second/third shots and make the opposition "hurry up" on offense (get them running).....then rebound and get the ball to the sidelines and up the floor. Iowa's defense positioning really is not that bad.....both men and women need a more aggressive presence under the rim. Back in 1970, Dick Jensen and to a lesser degree, Glenn Vidnovik were that person.
Iowa women had trouble with "bigger"teams all season long.....and LSU made a lot of shots! (just like Maryland to them did last month.)
We will agree to disagree.

If you play solid defense, you will rebound competently enough, and none of that other stuff will have to matter
 
Agreed.

Pointing out a weakness of a team that just played in the National Championship game is, at best, poor timing. Not to mention they just beat a team that had won 42 in a row with a creative defense.
Yes, and the point is that the "creative" defense employed against S. Carolina came back to bite Iowa in the LSU game.

That sagging defense is the exact reason that LSU came in with the enthusiastic, confident, and disrespected mindset to shoot the hell out of the ball. Best believe Mulkey challenged her players competitive womanhood, to step up and knock down the shots. LSU was completely at ease shooting everything from wide-open shots to terrible shots.

More accuratetly, Bluder employed a gimmick defense vs SC. Gimmicks are not sustainable. They are used as a band-aid to cover up for the lack of what is sustainable. A sustainable defense, built upon solid fundamentals, was never built. There is a reason Ferentz has never resorted to gadgets, wrinkles, and gimmicks.

And again, at no point can hoping that your opponents continue to miss for two straight final four games, be expected to be a winning strategy
 
I believe we have an expert on defense here. I wonder how his defenses have been and how his record has been. Maybe he will let it go eventually when he figures it out that we don't really care.
 
Iowa looks like they drained the tank against South Carolina.
I was afraid of this and would have felt better if we had played tonight with an extra day of rest. That game definitely took a lot out of us physically and emotionally I’m afraid but I still saw a team that came ready to play and left it all out there for the championship game. No their defense wasn’t perfect but give Carson credit for shooting lights out. They played their hearts out in the national championship so I’m not gonna be too harsh on them considering that.
 
It's almost as if some people didn't start watching Iowa women's basketball until yesterday. Prior to yesterday, their opponents had averaged 68 points per game in the tournament. In the BTT, their opponents averaged 71 points per game. They had games where they gave up a lot of points, but they weren't a bad defensive team, and clearly got better as the season progressed. That's what I saw this season.
 
Yes, and the point is that the "creative" defense employed against S. Carolina came back to bite Iowa in the LSU game.

That sagging defense is the exact reason that LSU came in with the enthusiastic, confident, and disrespected mindset to shoot the hell out of the ball. Best believe Mulkey challenged her players competitive womanhood, to step up and knock down the shots. LSU was completely at ease shooting everything from wide-open shots to terrible shots.

More accuratetly, Bluder employed a gimmick defense vs SC. Gimmicks are not sustainable. They are used as a band-aid to cover up for the lack of what is sustainable. A sustainable defense, built upon solid fundamentals, was never built. There is a reason Ferentz has never resorted to gadgets, wrinkles, and gimmicks.

And again, at no point can hoping that your opponents continue to miss for two straight final four games, be expected to be a winning strategy
You do realize this was the National Championship game, right?
 
I think it's time to quit blaming J-Bo like he's the main/only problem on defense. Last year with him, we ended up with defense around 85th. This year without him our defense was in the 160's...
Wasn't blaming JBo. Iowa's defense has been bad for most of Fran's 13 seasons.

Was pointing out a similarity in body language between offensive players attacking JBo and LSU attacking Iowa's D
 
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