Teen son of Fran McCaffery cited in fatal crash of Iowa National Guard soldier
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Hopefully mine were not taken as “blaming”, but rather mitigating circumstances for Jack to prevent things like vehicular manslaughter felony charges.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHA. You are so freaking predictable. It's hilarious watching you flail.
First off, I replied to your post that you used ethical. A driver approaching a delineated crosswalk where a vehicle has already come to a stop in the adjacent lane should have awareness and/or perceive that there may be someone in the crosswalk and that coming to a stop may be necessary. Basically, be aware and be prepared.
If he did not have that ability of perception/awareness, or something worse, he should not be driving on that road if he had ethics.
I hate to say it, but I agree with T.J. on two things, nobody here knows if they actually did the phone test as no evidence has been submitted to the Court. I am sure they did, but none of us know that.
Second, I find it extremely disappointing that the 911 call was not released. I get that he is a juvenile, but come on now. How many times are 911 calls "Police reports" released when it is convenient to some LEO/Prosecutors.
Something just doesn't add up, and I agree with Torbee on most things, but I'm surprised that does not bother you as a good journalist.
Second, I find it extremely disappointing that the 911 call was not released. I get that he is a juvenile, but come on now. How many times are 911 calls "Police reports" released when it is convenient to some LEO/Prosecutors.
Something just doesn't add up, and I agree with Torbee on most things, but I'm surprised that does not bother you as a good journalist.
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Oh the FOIA thing is total b.s.
I just think the most obvious explanation is quite obvious in this case and that it was a case of the driver who hit the pedestrian not seeing them as they were obstructed by another vehicle. Seems the police see it that way too.
In all seriousness, to go conspiracy mode, you basically have to think that Jack was out on the road hunting down someone to kill and when he satisfied his bloodlust, dad got cops to bury it. That’s absolute insanity.
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Exactly. Horrible all around. This will all be settled quietly by the respective attorneys and while one life is lost another probably irreversibly changed.
As the parent of a teen on one hand and as a runner on the other I can see easily how this happened. As a runner I also know that if I die like this I’d pray for the driver and not want their life ruined too.
I'm not going down that route. I just question why FOIAs were denied in this case but you get other requests granted when it is convenient for the State.
I don't think that can be denied.
And I already did a forclosure at the beginning that I spent a year in Baghdad with the deceased. I'm not hiding any bias' on that front. But when I have subpoenaed or make a FOIA request, it doesn't take months to get the info.
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People who don’t work daily with FOIA have zero concept of how it works. Just be assured you’re correct.
Finally, I wish nothing but the best for Jack and the Hite family. Obviously this is incredibly difficult for everyone involved. I have had empathy for drunk drivers in single car accidents when 5 boys got in a car and the least drunk was chosen to drive, and then he was one of the 2 survivors. You think he'll ever forget that? Everyone else was equally at fault, but the pain of knowing someone died because of you.....I can't imagine.
I just want ICPD, who has past of not always doing the right thing, to answer some tough questions. But, I'm not a member of the press. I'll leave it to the old style pros that are not intimidated to ask tough questions.
I just want ICPD, who has past of not always doing the right thing, to answer some tough questions. But, I'm not a member of the press. I'll leave it to the old style pros that are not intimidated to ask tough questions.
As a former reporter, I almost always support FOIA and would in this case. I just don’t think it’s going to change much.
In my past journalist life, I definitely have issues with the ICPD and FOIA.
No one has claimed JM deliberately hit the pedestrian. That’s beyond stupid. Don’t be an asshole who twists other people’s words.
What conspiracy? That wealthy, high-profile people with strong legal representation get treated differently than ordinary people? That’s not exactly tinfoil hat stuff.
I think it’s startling that this is how you’re reading most people’s perspectives in this thread.
I think it’s startling you think your view of the accident is infallible.
I think it’s startling you’ve droned on for four pages in this thread.
As of the time you wrote that post,
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I don't disagree with you, but I'm curious. Why do you care? Do you really want to listen to someone in a panic on a 911 line about someone being hit by a car?
I don’t expect everything to be released, but it seems strange that they have rejected at least two requests for the 911 call. It’s pretty common for 911 calls to be released before trial. And it’s a bench trial, so it’s not like they have to worry about contaminating the jury pool.
You’re trash and you post trash - I usually miss trash.
But I’ll respond since you evidently need an answer this bad.
I don’t agree with his sentiment. It’s also not what most people are saying in this thread.
No. That we’re now seeing you and others assume nefarious reasons about why the 911 call and other bits of the case aren’t being released via FOIA requests.
lots of assumptions being made.
Can you provide a reasonable explanation for why the driver’s name was withheld for nearly two months and at least two requests for the 911 call have been rejected? Because it seems odd to me.
Absent a reasonable explanation, it’s easy to speculate that police and prosecutors are walking on eggshells knowing they’re up against a wealthy, high-profile person with strong legal representation.
I don’t have any idea, I’m not someone who’s ever had to deal with the legal system. But you’re making assumptions here - it’s the judge, not the cops or prosector who decides to approve a FOIA request, correct? HVE you seen anything reported about why the recording hasn’t been released? If it’s considered evidence, maybe that’s why?
I don’t know and you don’t either.
Pretty sure a lot of evidence has already been released about the 1/6/2021 defendants. Apples and Oranges. But this is a bench trial, not a jury trial for JM so there is no contamination of a jury pool.
I have high expectations of the court system, and therefore I have high expectations of law enforcement as well. Simple as that.
That might very well be the case now. It certainly seems like a logical assumption. But the Johnson County prosecutor’s office rejected the Gazette’s request even before charges were filed and a judge had even been assigned to the case.
911 calls are open public records in Iowa and state law requires that they be released upon request.
Exactly. I have zero personal interest in listening to the call. But the Gazette requested a copy of the call. And even though state law requires the call be released upon request, that request was rejected. So I’m curious why they rejected it.
I think the following are true:
- It was very likely a no fault accident.
- The initial police delay was to see if he was on his phone at the time of the accident.
- The ICPD withheld case info, and gave this case special treatment, because of the identity the driver (and family).
But it doesn't take months to find out if from the phone companies. Just saying. I signed search warrants and phones were pinged and data released within 48 hours depending on provider.
Use your words to articulate specifically what I wrote that is “obtuse.”
911 calls are open public record in Iowa. Iowa state law requires that 911 calls are to be released upon request. The Gazette requested a copy of the call at least twice and the request was rejected both times. Even Torbee said that’s bs. So tell me how it’s “obtuse” to question why the requests were denied.
