Hell they should just take in Hawaii also then.Four time zones if West Virginia would somehow be involved.
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Hell they should just take in Hawaii also then.Four time zones if West Virginia would somehow be involved.
It would be the Presidents like what happened with Covid.You think Kevin Warren would make the final decision on which universities join the Big Ten?
It's going to be crazy to see for sure. Honestly, the Pac12 jumping in here and trying to solidify some southern exposure, makes a ton of sense. They have fallen behind since the last movement, and they have to see this as their only chance to even things out. I could see them adding TCU and Baylor for sure, but also OSU and KU. Pac 12 seems to favor bball more than football anyways. KSU, ISU, WVU and Texas Tech seem to be in worst situations. I could see WVU running to the ACC.As to what will happen for ISU, I think people are completely jumping the gun on the Big 10 or PAC 12 adding teams. What is the incentive? People seem to be assuming that KU would go to the Big 10 as they are an AAU member and they have great basketball. But that is flat out the worst football program of the modern era. It's worse than ISU in the 80s and 90s. If the SEC adds UT and OU, and the Big 10's response is adding KU... well that math don't add up no matter how good basketball is.
Why would the PAC12 have to add midwestern teams especially without especially KU? TT is in Texas, but they are so remote to the other parts of Texas it's not like it's a big TV market or anything. The distance from Lubbock to Austin is basically the distance from Ames to Chicago. It's massive. The PAC isn't adding TCU or Baylor so forget about that. Are they going to be in a big rush to add OSU, KSU, and ISU? Probably not.
I know there are people that will love to piss on ISU's grave here, but a alot of people are going to lose their jobs not just in Ames. ISU is like most Big 12 teams as well, with debt up to their eyeballs to keep up with the facilities arms race - in the AAC they won't be able to pay those debt obligations. I mean that just seems like a fact.
I think you all assume OU and UT to the SEC is a done deal. I just see this as those schools opening their recruitment.
I still say getting OU is the play with KU as the kicker. Maintains balance between the BIG and SEC.
You think the bottom half of the SEC sees adding OU and UT as a good thing? Especially in the already brutal SEC West? What do the Mississippi schools think if this? Or even LSU?
It's going to be crazy to see for sure. Honestly, the Pac12 jumping in here and trying to solidify some southern exposure, makes a ton of sense. They have fallen behind since the last movement, and they have to see this as their only chance to even things out. I could see them adding TCU and Baylor for sure, but also OSU and KU. Pac 12 seems to favor bball more than football anyways. KSU, ISU, WVU and Texas Tech seem to be in worst situations. I could see WVU running to the ACC.
If the Big10 wants to do anything, they should try to get one of Pitt, VA, UNC, or even OSU or KSU. ISU definitely looks like the odd man out here.
The powerful schools understand that they are the entities with value and the smaller schools are just draining money.There's no upside for the B1G to even look at ISmoo. The state of IOWA is not a big TV market and they already have that footprint with IOWA. The conference would gain nothing.
College football as we know it (along with many other things) is about to change. Much as we despise the NCAA for it's screw ups, without some unifying body it's gonna be a cluster f***. Power conference alignment will have to be managed by somebody other than the schools with the most money.
If you get all the P5 commissioners together, who's going to want to give up a team? (there are currently 65 teams in the P5). What about the independents like Notre Dame, BYU...?
Will the smaller schools fight for a more comprehensive plan (I've seen a 120 team example) I could see them taking it to court to prevent the P5 teams from taking over. The line has to be drawn somewhere...somebody will be left out.
It's gonna get interesting
I’ve read the same thing about the ACC and their GOR, but that doesn’t seem to be stopping Texas and Oklahoma at all. I guess theoretically those two schools can play in the Big12 for 4 more years after they’ve already made it clear they will be leaving but I’m assuming they intend to leave before then and just have their lawyers find them an out.I think all of these things might be possible I think you're off here.
1. The PAC 12 is not adding religious institutions. Houston would be added before TCU or BU.
2. ACC isn't going anywhere, and their grant of rights goes to 2035, so nobody is leaving that conference until my kids are out of high school.
3. ND has legally agreed with the ACC that if they join a conference it will be with them.
4. OSU, KSU, ISU, TT, BU, TCU, WVU, etc. all don't bring more to a conference than they would take from a media rights perspective.
5. Only ISU and KU are the remaining AAU members in the Big 12, and I don't think the PAC-12 or Big 10 would add a member that isn't in the AAU. I also don't think either would add ISU, KU does have the basketball pedigree but we've seen that really doesn't matter.
I think all of these things might be possible I think you're off here.
1. The PAC 12 is not adding religious institutions. Houston would be added before TCU or BU.
2. ACC isn't going anywhere, and their grant of rights goes to 2035, so nobody is leaving that conference until my kids are out of high school.
3. ND has legally agreed with the ACC that if they join a conference it will be with them.
4. OSU, KSU, ISU, TT, BU, TCU, WVU, etc. all don't bring more to a conference than they would take from a media rights perspective.
5. Only ISU and KU are the remaining AAU members in the Big 12, and I don't think the PAC-12 or Big 10 would add a member that isn't in the AAU. I also don't think either would add ISU, KU does have the basketball pedigree but we've seen that really doesn't matter.
I think ISU vs Northern Illinois has potential to be a good rivalry.There's ZERO chance B1G adds ISU. I'm not sure the PAC12 would be interested in them either, considering the time difference, relatively small fanbase, lack of historical success in football (when Campbell leaves, they are back to being a bottom feeder), etc. This is a nightmare scenario for Pollard.
That's another reason. Best case scenario for the clones is somehow the Big12 soldiers on by adding some fringe schools. There is a very good chance they are playing in the Mountain West five years from now.I think ISU vs Northern Illinois has potential to be a good rivalry.
Where it gets tricky for ISU is in some of the minor sports. Do other conferences want a program without baseball and an underachieving wrestling program?
I’ve read the same thing about the ACC and their GOR, but that doesn’t seem to be stopping Texas and Oklahoma at all.
That cuts both ways though. I have to imagine Campbell is not interested in staying at ISU for the long haul. The crumbling of the Big12 may be the last push for him to walk out the door.If this was ever going to happen, now is ideal for ISU because they at least have some national recognition going on right now. 4 years ago them falling by the wayside was almost a dead certainty from a P5 perspective. Right now the media is buying into their program, so they can try to leverage that. They better not eff up this fall or the momentum they have now will stall.
The pressure on their football team this fall was already huge but now it's enormous.
Two things:
1. The ACC GOR goes to 2035. The Big 12's is just 2025.
2. If the ACC loses some teams, well they already have 14 members. If they lose two the conference is still going to exist. So, the leaving teams would still be on the hook for the TV rights for 14 more years.
If UT and OU are leaving the Big 12, everybody will be dying to get on the first ship out of town. If KU goes to the Big 10 or something, then you're down to 7 teams. That's not even a conference at that point and it dies on the vine with no skin off OU and UT's teeth.
With Schiano, Rutgers will be much improved.Kick out Maryland and Rutgers and add two new schools.
ISU Fans yesterday morning: The Big Ten West is garbage and we don't want in there.
ISU Fans last night: Hopefully the Big Ten will take us!!!!!
Who do you replace them with that bring that population and recruiting base??Kick out Maryland and Rutgers and add two new schools.
Texas won't join the SEC with any intention of being a perennial doormat. A&M was 'meh' in the B12 and has certainly enhanced its profile by being competitive in a loaded West.Texas sucks in the B12. Now they want to go up against LSU, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida?
I would not be surprised if the ACC tries to recruit some big 10 teams. The Big Ten money is good right now but the future landscape is changing. Plus do not underestimate how much the ACC hates the Big Ten.The B1G needs to seriously reconsider their stance on AAU members. Nebraska may have inadvertently helped their cause in the matter. OU and UT going to the SEC is a giant domino and if the conference isn't careful, it could get left behind.
I was trying to make him feel better, he seemed pretty distraughtBut that new big 12 conference would have no football blue-bloods, which is needed for TV $$$
They would certainly thrive in a smaller conference setting.Probably a Little 8 type of feel
The Big 12 can still save face by actually trying to add two teams and, ya know......be a 12-team conference.What will be interesting is if the SEC either doesn't approve, or only approves one of the two. Would they come knocking on the B1G's door if that happened? Now that pandora's box is open, it would be hard for them to say "nevermind, we'll stay in the B12"....
I don't see Texas or Oklahoma legislatures trying to block it.If the news has come this far, the votes are already there and UT and OU will have no problem sliding into the SEC.
State legislatures are about the only thing that could stop it at this point.
The Big 12 can still save face by actually trying to add two teams and, ya know......be a 12-team conference.
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!I would not be surprised if the ACC tries to recruit some big 10 teams. The Big Ten money is good right now but the future landscape is changing. Plus do not underestimate how much the ACC hates the Big Ten.
We might not like to hear it but Ohio state, Michigan, and Penn State carry a lot of water for the rest of the teams in our conference.