Thanks Chicago!

[dbq hawk 32]

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...d-takes-over-dubuque-iowa?opgqChS0B5zXH4Yp.01

Interesting read explain how Chicago's problems get exported around the Midwest.

Relevant excerpt:

"With many more Section 8 applicants than it could house, Dubuque instituted a low-income housing point system granting preference to Dubuque residents, county residents, state residents, and out-of-state residents, in that order. Although HUD’s rules ostensibly allow localities to craft their own housing priorities, Dubuque’s point system was deemed unacceptable by HUD. The feds undertook a review of Dubuque’s housing policy that effectively treated the city as part of greater Chicago."

 

[cigaretteman]

gonegolfing was whining about this earlier:

https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/unfortunate-abuse-of-power-article.82293/

 

[dbq hawk 32]

gonegolfing was whining about this earlier:

https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/unfortunate-abuse-of-power-article.82293/

 

[INXS83]

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...d-takes-over-dubuque-iowa?opgqChS0B5zXH4Yp.01

Interesting read explain how Chicago's problems get exported around the Midwest.

Relevant excerpt:

"With many more Section 8 applicants than it could house, Dubuque instituted a low-income housing point system granting preference to Dubuque residents, county residents, state residents, and out-of-state residents, in that order. Although HUD’s rules ostensibly allow localities to craft their own housing priorities, Dubuque’s point system was deemed unacceptable by HUD. The feds undertook a review of Dubuque’s housing policy that effectively treated the city as part of greater Chicago."

Chicago...the gift that just keeps on giving.

Brings to mind the Chief Justice of the Iowa Supreme Court's "State of the Judiciary" speech yesterday in the state capital. He said 9.4% of black males over the age of 18 in Iowa have been incarcerated for crimes and we need to do better. Is he saying we should be more lenient and arrest less black males or is he insinuating it's whitey's fault black males are getting in so much trouble?

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Chicago...the gift that just keeps on giving.

Brings to mind the Chief Justice of the Iowa Supreme Court's "State of the Judiciary" speech yesterday in the state capital. He said 9.4% of black males over the age of 18 in Iowa have been incarcerated for crimes and we need to do better. Is he saying we should be more lenient and arrest less black males or is he insinuating it's whitey's fault black males are getting in so much trouble?

Im reading it as he's disappointed only 9.4% have been incarcerated. They need to do better.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Can't cities and states limit the number of section 8 residences? Can't they say you can't have more than 2 in any 10 miles radius?

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

Can't cities and states limit the number of section 8 residences? Can't they say you can't have more than 2 in any 10 miles radius?

The problem is out if state applicants have been overwhelming the system for quite some time. HUD doesn't allow for cities in iowa to take care of iowans first. And thus, needy iowans are being shut out because there are so many people from Chicago gaming the system.

 

[dbq hawk 32]

Can't cities and states limit the number of section 8 residences? Can't they say you can't have more than 2 in any 10 miles radius?

According the article Section 8 housing has to be dished out to various groups based upon the racial makeup of the region. Dubuque was considered part of Chicago's region, so has to go the extra mile to dish out more Section 8 housing to blacks who have never set a foot or paid a dime of taxes in Iowa. Iowa's taxpayers are footing the bill for Chicago's gentrification and lack of foresight.

 

[theIowaHawk]

I liked this line: "
At $44,600, median income in Dubuque is well below the state median of $51,843. "

No, no it is not.

 

[pablow]

Chicago...the gift that just keeps on giving.

Brings to mind the Chief Justice of the Iowa Supreme Court's "State of the Judiciary" speech yesterday in the state capital. He said 9.4% of black males over the age of 18 in Iowa have been incarcerated for crimes and we need to do better. Is he saying we should be more lenient and arrest less black males or is he insinuating it's whitey's fault black males are getting in so much trouble?

Interesting that you should bring up Judge Cady's comments. Maybe the judge should determine how many of the black inmates are actually from Illinois and other surrounding states. Many come here to "set up shop."

 

[theIowaHawk]

The problem is out if state applicants have been overwhelming the system for quite some time. HUD doesn't allow for cities in iowa to take care of iowans first. And thus, needy iowans are being shut out because there are so many people from Chicago gaming the system.

You ignore that they are now Iowans.

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

You ignore that they are now Iowans.

No - they aren't. They can apply while still living out of state.

http://iowawatch.org/2011/01/29/non-residents-drawn-to-iowa-city-housing-vouchers/

The current waiting list for the Housing Choice Voucher program includes 208 people from Johnson County and portions of Iowa and Washington counties and 703 people from outside its jurisdiction, including a large number from the Chicago metro area.

The Housing Authority issues 1,214 Housing Choice Vouchers annually, which are allocated by the U.S. Department of Housing and Development, to help local residents cover their rent.

The housing authority stopped accepting applications in early 2010. The waiting list sits at more than 900 names, and the length of stay on the list exceeds two years.

 

[theIowaHawk]

No - they aren't. They can apply while still living out of state.

http://iowawatch.org/2011/01/29/non-residents-drawn-to-iowa-city-housing-vouchers/

The current waiting list for the Housing Choice Voucher program includes 208 people from Johnson County and portions of Iowa and Washington counties and 703 people from outside its jurisdiction, including a large number from the Chicago metro area.

The Housing Authority issues 1,214 Housing Choice Vouchers annually, which are allocated by the U.S. Department of Housing and Development, to help local residents cover their rent.

The housing authority stopped accepting applications in early 2010. The waiting list sits at more than 900 names, and the length of stay on the list exceeds two years.

You misunderstand me. They are now residents of Iowa ... they live in Iowa.

 

[dbq hawk 32]

I liked this line: "
At $44,600, median income in Dubuque is well below the state median of $51,843. "

No, no it is not.

I also took some issue with the "play up Dubuque's hardships" slant to the article. Dubuque is still a great place to live.

You ignore that they are now Iowans.

Not when they apply for housing.

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

And for those that don't know - or choose to ignore - Obama's connection to all of this. It's a wonderful Chicago story.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/09/obama_and_south_chicago_slum_d_1.html

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

You misunderstand me. They are now residents of Iowa ... they live in Iowa.

And what's the point of that comment then???

 

[22*43*51]

This is also the reason why Eastern Iowa's river towns have had an explosion of gang activity.

I believe section 8 status is also transferable across state lines.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Exactly, "well below the state median"?????

And what's the point of that comment then???

That by complaining about them coming from out of state, only, ignores that they become and are Iowans once they are here.

They may not be who we want, but Iowa is in, admittedly, pretty dire need of young people and population.

 

[22*43*51]

Exactly, "well below the state median"?????


That by complaining about them coming from out of state, only, ignores that they become and are Iowans once they are here.

They may not be who we want, but Iowa is in, admittedly, pretty dire need of young people and population.

This is your argument?

Iowa is in need of young people?

 

[Kenneth Griffin]

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

Exactly, "well below the state median"?????
That by complaining about them coming from out of state, only, ignores that they become and are Iowans once they are here.

They may not be who we want, but Iowa is in, admittedly, pretty dire need of young people and population.

This hurts my head.

 

[The Tradition]

This is your argument?

Iowa is in need of young people?

Where are all the young people at?

 

[Metuo Accipiter]

Obviously we should want welfare chasers to come and take social services away from our resident poors. And if you think that's a bad idea folks like Kenneth griffin will label you a racist. Fantastic logic.

 

[22*43*51]

Where are all the young people at?

Well, there in gangs, transplanted from the Southside, waiting to lead out state.

...at least according to TIH.

 

[theIowaHawk]

This is your argument?

Iowa is in need of young people?

Again you are mistaking my point. I'm not arguing for it. I'm saying that the poster was ignoring that these people are now Iowans, yet still complaining about where they came from.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Again, can't cities and states restrict the number of section 8 homes available.

 

[22*43*51]

Again you are mistaking my point. I'm not arguing for it. I'm saying that the poster was ignoring that these people are now Iowans, yet still complaining about where they came from.

This ends if it wasn't transferable.

Take the federal element out.

Make it state by state. Then Illinois would have to face it's sins, instead of passing it to Iowa.

 

[BigDelHawk]

Again you are mistaking my point. I'm not arguing for it. I'm saying that the poster was ignoring that these people are now Iowans, yet still complaining about where they came from.

It is the shootings and robbery that they have brought with them that is a big problem.

 

[theIowaHawk]

It is the shootings and robbery that they have brought with them that is a big problem.

Yes, I understand that. That wasn't what the OP was about.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Again, can't cities and states restrict the number of section 8 homes available.

I think so. They aren't required to make section 8 available, it is just once they do they follow HUD rules.

 

[22*43*51]

I think so. They aren't required to make section 8 available, it is just once they do they follow HUD rules.

Yes.

Another example that the government could f#ck-up a steel ball with a rubber hammer.

 

[joelbc1]

The problem is out if state applicants and university football players have been overwhelming the system for quite some time. HUD doesn't allow for cities in iowa to take care of iowans first. And thus, needy iowans are being shut out because there are so many people from Chicago gaming the system.

I fixed it for you Muteo.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Yes.

Another example that the government could f#ck-up a steel ball with a rubber hammer.

So the landlords aren't to blame at all?

 

[HallofFame]

Take that property values. Here Iowa take our failures.

 

[22*43*51]

So the landlords aren't to blame at all?

How so?

They like Section 8 because they know they'll get the rent on time.

 

[theIowaHawk]

How so?

They like Section 8 because they know they'll get the rent on time.

I see, so a landlord has an open tenancy and opts to use section 8 because the government pays it = great, good, ok, awesome, good business

government fulfills those section 8s under their rules, filling those very landlord's apartments = terrible, no good, very bad scum

How about the landlords that build multi-million dollar units specifically using the HUD money that requires a certain number be low income? They bear no blame whatsoever for bringing these dredges you are complaining about?

 

[BigDelHawk]

How so?

They like Section 8 because they know they'll get the rent on time.

Section 8 is nice because you always get your check, terrible because you have to make your apartment into something that will survive a war zone, who cares what it looks like. That or put the cheapest of materials in because you know you will be replacing it soon anyhow.

The best renters? Military, ideally an officer. Only drawback is they move in and out every couple of years.

 

[22*43*51]

I see, so a landlord has an open tenancy and opts to use section 8 because the government pays it = great, good, ok, awesome, good business

government fulfills those section 8s under their rules, filling those very landlord's apartments = terrible, no good, very bad scum

How about the landlords that build multi-million dollar units specifically using the HUD money that requires a certain number be low income? They bear no blame whatsoever for bringing these dredges you are complaining about?

Would you prefer the dredges be homeless?

What part do landlords have in creating law?

 

[theIowaHawk]

Would you prefer the dredges be homeless?

What part do landlords have in creating law?

I see, so you are one of those who points an angrily shaking finger at government and yells "FOR SHAME", and then turns around and, as a wise businessman, utilizes all of those "for shames" for your own financial benefit.

Brilliant. I also enjoy your belief that landlords do this to stop the dredged from being homeless, which is either naive or just bullshit.

 

[22*43*51]

I see, so you are one of those who points an angrily shaking finger at government and yells "FOR SHAME", and then turns around and, as a wise businessman, utilizes all of those "for shames" for your own financial benefit.

Brilliant. I also enjoy your belief that landlords do this to stop the dredged from being homeless, which is either naive or just bullshit.

You seem to long for the return of the government's failed attempt at urban African American reservations in the form of public housing projects.

You would be one of the few calling for the resurrection of Cabrini Green.