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The proliferation of AirBnB and VRBO type rentals is a big issue in places like Montana as well. I don't know that they are causing as much problem in the bigger cities but as we've traveled to different mountain towns over the past few years we've noticed that there are lots of short term rentals and a lot of locals having trouble finding homes to both rent and buy.
 
Regardless of one’s position on this it is a thought provoking article. My little subdivision sits in the middle of condos on one side, apartments on another and townhouses under construction in between. I don’t understand why anyone would be opposed to such a mix.
Some might argue that you should be opposed to it. All that short-term housing going up around you is making your neighborhood more dangerous and lowering your property value compared to other homes the same size not surrounded by cheap housing.
 
The proliferation of AirBnB and VRBO type rentals is a big issue in places like Montana as well. I don't know that they are causing as much problem in the bigger cities but as we've traveled to different mountain towns over the past few years we've noticed that there are lots of short term rentals and a lot of locals having trouble finding homes to both rent and buy.
If only there were laws in place that limited business tax write-offs on multiple family-style properties.....
 
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Some might argue that you should be opposed to it. All that short-term housing going up around you is making your neighborhood more dangerous and lowering your property value compared to other homes the same size not surrounded by cheap housing.
The condos are bumping $325K and they’re older (40 years) but very well maintained.
Townhouses are new construction starting mid 300’s and apartments are $1500 - $1700 a month and nicely kept.
My neighborhood is in good shape and most importantly we’re in a great location. I’m 14 minutes from the ocean.
 
The condos are bumping $325K and they’re older (40 years) but very well maintained.
Townhouses are new construction starting mid 300’s and apartments are $1500 - $1700 a month and nicely kept.
My neighborhood is in good shape and most importantly we’re in a great location. I’m 14 minutes from the ocean.

A "real" 14 min from the ocean?

Reminds me of a R&D VP I worked for, who lived in Poway, CA and liked to brag a lot.
Claimed "Yeah...I can be at the beach (Pacific Beach) in just 20 minutes!!!"

I was like: "Bob - I live a straight shot down Balboa Avenue, literally 3 miles from the Pacific Beach Coastline, and the FASTEST I can ever get to the beach is maybe 10 minutes - 30 on peak traffic days!" (doorstep to sand)

(Bob was at least 20-25 miles from that beach area)

He kinda shut up after that.
 
Lots of discussion on this in Atlanta, too. Of course the desirable Intown neighborhoods don’t want houses divided or multi unit properties built among single family. Atlanta doesn’t have any geographical boundaries so really good/fast transit to outlying areas could help but folks s out there don’t want that either.
 
The condos are bumping $325K and they’re older (40 years) but very well maintained.
Townhouses are new construction starting mid 300’s and apartments are $1500 - $1700 a month and nicely kept.
My neighborhood is in good shape and most importantly we’re in a great location. I’m 14 minutes from the ocean.
Where are you again?
 
I have ZERO sympathy for the housing issues out West. There are not enough natural resources (water) to support the populations in those cities. It's supply and demand, if it is too expensive to live out there then move, there is plenty of affordable housing, already built infrastructure, and natural resources (water) available in the Rust Belt states that have been vacated over the decades.

This is America, you are free to move about the country. Find a place that is affordable to live and raise a family.

While this is true not sure what you’re not understanding. I paid 204K for my house 20 years ago. The house across the street was just sold to a flipper for 460 and he turned it around and sold it for 860. Now while that’s great for my value as I age it’s not great for young people like my kids looking to buy a house in KC. There’s a shortage of houses and builders aren’t going to build starter homes ever again. Not enough money in it. And while maybe the market might correct it’s not correcting like we would like it to. And this is in KC, not Cali. And it’s everywhere you look. I mean I guess you could go move to Topeka or Salina but what person is going to do that? It’s a bad situation.
 
While this is true not sure what you’re not understanding. I paid 204K for my house 20 years ago. The house across the street was just sold to a flipper for 460 and he turned it around and sold it for 860. Now while that’s great for my value as I age it’s not great for young people like my kids looking to buy a house in KC. There’s a shortage of houses and builders aren’t going to build starter homes ever again. Not enough money in it. And while maybe the market might correct it’s not correcting like we would like it to. And this is in KC, not Cali. And it’s everywhere you look. I mean I guess you could go move to Topeka or Salina but what person is going to do that? It’s a bad situation.

There are a lot of major cities with a lot of cheap properties. Let's not pretend that it's Topeka or a nearly million dollar home. I bet there are some pretty good deals in Cleveland or Milwaukee. People need to weigh whether owning a home is more important than being in a particular city.
 
There are a lot of major cities with a lot of cheap properties. Let's not pretend that it's Topeka or a nearly million dollar home. I bet there are some pretty good deals in Cleveland or Milwaukee. People need to weigh whether owning a home is more important than being in a particular city.
So just moving to Cleveland to find a house is the answer instead of dealing with it in all cities?
 
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There are a lot of major cities with a lot of cheap properties. Let's not pretend that it's Topeka or a nearly million dollar home. I bet there are some pretty good deals in Cleveland or Milwaukee. People need to weigh whether owning a home is more important than being in a particular city.
So if every member of a family lives in one general area where you grew up that’s become unaffordable for young adults they need to leave their family behind and move to Cleveland -AKA the mistake by the lake?
If it’s for a job you like or want to accept and you’re starting out, that might work.
But not for everyone.
 
There are a lot of major cities with a lot of cheap properties. Let's not pretend that it's Topeka or a nearly million dollar home. I bet there are some pretty good deals in Cleveland or Milwaukee. People need to weigh whether owning a home is more important than being in a particular city.
Removing yourself from your network, family, job, whatever to move to Cleveland and start over? Moving is expensive.
 
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While this is true not sure what you’re not understanding. I paid 204K for my house 20 years ago. The house across the street was just sold to a flipper for 460 and he turned it around and sold it for 860. Now while that’s great for my value as I age it’s not great for young people like my kids looking to buy a house in KC. There’s a shortage of houses and builders aren’t going to build starter homes ever again. Not enough money in it. And while maybe the market might correct it’s not correcting like we would like it to. And this is in KC, not Cali. And it’s everywhere you look. I mean I guess you could go move to Topeka or Salina but what person is going to do that? It’s a bad situation.
I have lived in KC since 1996 and the market here is INSANE. We bought a mid-century modern home in a popular, older neighborhood back in late 2015 right before our daughter was born. Three bedrooms, two bathrooms, a little over 1,500 square feet. We have a corner lot so it is one of the larger lots in the neighborhood. Bought it for $275k and could sell it tomorrow for $500k. The problem is, we would have to buy something else. No thanks.

Developers are buying up the homes that boomers are selling, that haven’t been updated. Homes anywhere from 1,000 to 1,200 square feet and they probably get them for $275k depending on structural issues, etc. They plow them to the ground and put something like this up. $1.3 million and it’s blocks from my house. Hit the street view and you can see what’s around it. Insanity.

 
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I have lived in KC since 1996 and the market here is INSANE. We bought a mid-century modern home in a popular, older neighborhood back in late 2015 right before our daughter was born. Three bedrooms, two bathrooms, a little over 1,500 square feet. We have a corner lot so it is one of the larger lots in the neighborhood. Bought it for $275k and could sell it tomorrow for $500k. The problem is, we would have to buy something else. No thanks.

Developers are buying up the homes that boomers are selling, that haven’t been updated. Homes anywhere from 1,000 to 1,200 square feet and they probably get them for $275k depending on structural issues, etc. They plow them to the ground and put something like this up. $1.3 million and it’s blocks from my house. Hit the street view and you can see what’s around it. Insanity.

lol her name is candice johnson.
 
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So if every member of a family lives in one general area where you grew up that’s become unaffordable for young adults they need to leave their family behind and move to Cleveland -AKA the mistake by the lake?
If it’s for a job you like or want to accept and you’re starting out, that might work.
But not for everyone.
This happens all the time in small towns, in reverse. Grow up in a small town and would like to stay where your family lives but don't really have a choice because there just aren't many jobs or opportunity to make a living so you are forced to move somewhere were there are jobs.

So same thing, you grow up in an area where housing prices really aren't affordable and you are forced to relocate to someplace more affordable. Affordable housing is not a right. Living where you want is not a right. Just saying, you do have choices and there are opportunities elsewhere.

The "Rust Belt" suffered from decades of declining population and people just joked about how awesome California was compared to living in a declining place like Cleveland or Detroit. Well, that average list price of $115k in Cleveland looks pretty good right now compared to California.
 
I have lived in KC since 1996 and the market here is INSANE. We bought a mid-century modern home in a popular, older neighborhood back in late 2015 right before our daughter was born. Three bedrooms, two bathrooms, a little over 1,500 square feet. We have a corner lot so it is one of the larger lots in the neighborhood. Bought it for $275k and could sell it tomorrow for $500k. The problem is, we would have to buy something else. No thanks.

Developers are buying up the homes that boomers are selling, that haven’t been updated. Homes anywhere from 1,000 to 1,200 square feet and they probably get them for $275k depending on structural issues, etc. They plow them to the ground and put something like this up. $1.3 million and it’s blocks from my house. Hit the street view and you can see what’s around it. Insanity.

Ok, I clicked on the street view and have to admit that it is insane. That house sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
The proliferation of AirBnB and VRBO type rentals is a big issue in places like Montana as well. I don't know that they are causing as much problem in the bigger cities but as we've traveled to different mountain towns over the past few years we've noticed that there are lots of short term rentals and a lot of locals having trouble finding homes to both rent and buy.

As a property owner, they are far easier to deal with. A guy here in our little town turned his upstairs apartment into an Air BnB instead of monthly renting. His reasoning; No trouble collecting rent and you get as much money from renting it 5 days a month as you would doing a month to month full time rental.
 
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Ok, I clicked on the street view and have to admit that it is insane. That house sticks out like a sore thumb.
It is happening all over town in similar neighborhoods with similar surroundings on both sides of the state line. It's unreal.
 
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It is happening all over town in similar neighborhoods with similar surroundings on both sides of the state line. It's unreal.
Why? Are there just no new developments in the KC metro area? KC isn't that different than DSM, Omaha, or the Twin Cities (meaning it's not a city like Chicago or New York). There is land to expand around the KC metro area. Up in MSP there are housing developments all over the place.
 
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There just isnt enough supply. Even in areas where you think there isnt much demand.

Builders do not build simple small houses anymore. They will do townhouse units, but not small stand alone. Their costs are almost the same for a $450,000 house and a $200,000 house, so why bother building a $200,000 house?
 
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I have ZERO sympathy for the housing issues out West. There are not enough natural resources (water) to support the populations in those cities. It's supply and demand, if it is too expensive to live out there then move, there is plenty of affordable housing, already built infrastructure, and natural resources (water) available in the Rust Belt states that have been vacated over the decades.

This is America, you are free to move about the country. Find a place that is affordable to live and raise a family.

The water issue is like 90% agriculture. Specifically Almond farming.

If you wiped Almond farming off the map of the west than it would have more than enough water for everyone.
 
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Why? Are there just no new developments in the KC metro area? KC isn't that different than DSM, Omaha, or the Twin Cities (meaning it's not a city like Chicago or New York). There is land to expand around the KC metro area. Up in MSP there are housing developments all over the place.
I have no idea, man, but it has to be about wherever they can make the most money. Those $1 - $1.4 million homes are going up in place of 60-70 year old small bungalows and ranches in neighborhoods with the highest demand. I work in the southern part of the metro right off I-35. I see zero new housing developments within sight of the highway. 20 years ago, it was a totally different story. I get to the far west side of the metro pretty regularly also, same deal if you head that direction.
 
There just isnt enough supply. Even in areas where you think there isnt much demand.

Builders do not build simple small houses anymore. They will do townhouse units, but not small stand alone. Their costs are almost the same for a $450,000 house and a $200,000 house, so why bother building a $200,000 house?
Appears building is another topic that escapes you. You seriously think the costs are the same for a 2200 sq ft house and a 900 sq ft house? Small stand alone houses have the similar infrastructure cost as a larger home, i.e. the new street, storm and sanitary sewer, the water, fiber, etc but it ends there. That's why you don't see a 900 sq. ft. house on a quarter acre lot, lol...
 
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So just moving to Cleveland to find a house is the answer instead of dealing with it in all cities?

If you want to buy a home and cant afford one in a particular location, yes, moving to a cheaper location is the answer
 
Appears building is another topic that escapes you. You seriously think the costs are the same for a 2200 sq ft house and a 900 sq ft house? Small stand alone houses have the similar infrastructure cost as a larger home, i.e. the new street, storm and sanitary sewer, the water, fiber, etc but it ends there. That's why you don't see a 900 sq. ft. house on a quarter acre lot, lol...

No developers plat out neighborhoods of 60 x 140 like the old days to build smaller houses.

If small houses are lucrative, why aren't they getting built?
 
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This happens all the time in small towns, in reverse. Grow up in a small town and would like to stay where your family lives but don't really have a choice because there just aren't many jobs or opportunity to make a living so you are forced to move somewhere were there are jobs.

So same thing, you grow up in an area where housing prices really aren't affordable and you are forced to relocate to someplace more affordable. Affordable housing is not a right. Living where you want is not a right. Just saying, you do have choices and there are opportunities elsewhere.

The "Rust Belt" suffered from decades of declining population and people just joked about how awesome California was compared to living in a declining place like Cleveland or Detroit. Well, that average list price of $115k in Cleveland looks pretty good right now compared to California.
We’re not talking about California is the problem. As @jasonrann just showed look at KC, which has always been a very affordable Midwest city. No housing isn’t a right but it’s certainly a need. Stinks when these flippers are buying houses out from young people trying to get a house and then bumping the price another 300K or just knocking down and putting up homes for over a million.
 
If you want to buy a home and cant afford one in a particular location, yes, moving to a cheaper location is the answer
There’s a reason housing is so cheap in Detroit or Cleveland. People are moving from there not to there. Not that hard.
 
No developers plat out neighborhoods of 60 x 140 like the old days to build a smaller house.

If small houses are lucrative, why aren't they getting built?
They're not lucrative. That's what I'm telling you. You said it costs the same for a 450K as a 200K. Developers likely have 60K in a small lot in a new development. You think a home can be built for 140K and still leave a profit for a builder? Go get a blueprint made for this fictious 200K home and start running it around to local builders, then come back here and print their comments and their bids to build that 200K house. I'll wait...
 
Agree! It takes GALLONS of water to produce ONE ALMOND.

The thing about CA is that it has perfect climate for growing specific water intensive crops.

So my view is that you have to either find a way to get more water there or you have to either take the vast majority of the people out of there or you have to take the vast majority of the agriculture out.
 
Why? Are there just no new developments in the KC metro area? KC isn't that different than DSM, Omaha, or the Twin Cities (meaning it's not a city like Chicago or New York). There is land to expand around the KC metro area. Up in MSP there are housing developments all over the place.
Of course there are a ton of housing developments. But still nowhere near enough of it affordable for young buyers, which is also why they continue to put up apartments like crazy.
 
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The thing about CA is that it has perfect climate for growing specific water intensive crops.

So my view is that you have to either find a way to get more water there or you have to either take the vast majority of the people out of there or you have to take the vast majority of the agriculture out.
Almond trees grow in other places not so challenged by irrigation issues.
 
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They're not lucrative. That's what I'm telling you. You said it costs the same for a 450K as a 200K. Developers likely have 60K in a small lot in a new development. You think a home can be built for 140K and still leave a profit for a builder? Go get a blueprint made for this fictious 200K home and start running it around to local builders, then come back here and print their comments and their bids to build that 200K house. I'll wait...
Met with a builder yesterday. 60K is minimum for a decent lot. He said closer to 80 for a good lot in a new subdivision.
 
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Of course there are a ton of housing developments. But still nowhere near enough of it affordable for young buyers, which is also why they continue to put up apartments like crazy.

The apartment boom here is absolutely insane. And small acreage closer into town where people lived on 10 acres in a brick ranch in the 60’s is being sold and 50 starter homes or townhomes are going up too. “Infill”.
DRHorton is all over this.
 
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They're not lucrative. That's what I'm telling you. You said it costs the same for a 450K as a 200K. Developers likely have 60K in a small lot in a new development. You think a home can be built for 140K and still leave a profit for a builder? Go get a blueprint made for this fictious 200K home and start running it around to local builders, then come back here and print their comments and their bids to build that 200K house. I'll wait...
The have mobilization costs. Yes, their inputs difference for the larger home is greater, but only incrementally. The economics dictate to always build bigger and more expensive.

I realize no one is building a $200,000 house. No one is even platting smaller lots.
 
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