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Is Manchin the Speaker? The poster I responded to commented about the greed and desire for money that Manchin has as if he's alone. I know you don't do links, but at the very least you should read posts and follow along so we don't need to explain everything to you.
Nobody is saying Manchin is alone on the greed part or on selling out to the climate wreckers. But he is nearly alone among Ds in sabotaging several key elements of Biden's agenda that would have been good for America.

If you are going to play whataboutism, you'd have more fun pointing at pretty much all Rs - without whose relentless obstructionism Manchin couldn't do so much damage.
 
Yet you’re ok with bailing out Wall St. , and giving handouts to the wealthy. You’re not for helping the middle class and poor. Again, the rich love how you think.
I guess you feel the only way you can win an argument is to make up your own facts. I never said it was OK to bail out Wall Street and I have no idea what you are talking about when you claim I support handouts for the wealthy. In America we should all be as free as possible to be as successful as possible or to fail. That is called freedom. No one should bail out failure or risky behavior and no one should pay a college kid for choosing a school he/she can't afford or for a getting a useless degree.

Tax cuts are not bailouts for the rich. Taxes are supposed to be a fee all Americans pay to support our country, they should never be used as a redistribution of wealth scheme. Why should honest successful Americans be penalized for their hard work? Why should illegal immigrants be rewarded for breaking our immigration laws? I believe in rewarding good behavior and penalizing bad behavior.
 
Blew up the budget deficit too. Just sayin…
IIRC, Carter handed Reagan/Bush a national debt under $1 trillion. They more than quadrupled it by the time Clinton became President. Along the way they gave us unemployment over 10%, the savings and loan crisis, and funded both Iran and the future Taliban.

Clinton gave us no wars and finished with a balanced budget. Enter the Republicans with their tax cuts, regulations rollbacks, 2 unfunded wars, and a market crash.

That's not even counting Trump or the relentless R support of environmental disaster.

Why do people EVER vote for Republicans?
 
That's ridiculous, wrong, and a very nasty viewpoint.

I'm not @Tom Paris but my view is that we should pay our bills. Your side pretends to agree, but then cuts taxes for the rich, so we can't pay the bills.

I have no school age kids, but I want US public schools to be world class.

This is America. We should have clean water, air, food....

This is America. We should have world class health care for all, not just the well off.

This is America. Our democracy should work for all of us, not just the plutocrats, oligarchs, corporations, and churches.

This is America and sometimes compromises have to be made. But tax cuts for the rich aren't compromises. They are giveaways. Sometimes they are downright theft.

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It's the source of this I'm looking for:

Economists estimate that between 1981 and 2021, more than $50 trillion dollars moved from the bottom 90% of Americans to the top 1%.

What are they counting? Is it just a change in the distribution of earnings? Government transfers? Something else?
 
Thought this was a thread about Biden ripping off Regan's speech the other day. Disappointing thread.
You are talking about all the times Trump and the illegal immigrant literally repeated the Obama's messages and speeches.
 
Nobody is saying Manchin is alone on the greed part or on selling out to the climate wreckers. But he is nearly alone among Ds in sabotaging several key elements of Biden's agenda that would have been good for America.

If you are going to play whataboutism, you'd have more fun pointing at pretty much all Rs - without whose relentless obstructionism Manchin couldn't do so much damage.
As speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosi came out publicly defending why she should be allowed to insider trade, while all of us go to jail for it. Seems like kind of a big deal to me.
 
Yeah we should all live in 800 square foot flats so we can wait in line for universal health care...
I called my doc today for an appointment…I can get in to see him Wednesday! I can get into an “emergent care” facility to be seen Tuesday afternoon…yes James, American style healthcare is vastly superior to what others have available to them….
 
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I called my doc today for an appointment…I can get in to see him Wednesday! I can get into an “emergent care” facility to be seen Tuesday afternoon…yes James, American style healthcare is vastly superior to what others have available to them….

I have a feeling that you don’t live in a 795 sq ft home like the Britts do to afford universal health care…
 
I have a feeling that you don’t live in a 795 sq ft home like the Britts do to afford universal health care…
The Brits live in places built 300 years ago James. Housing in Europe is frightfully EXPENSIVE. Housing in London can put NYC to shame. But the Brits and most Euros still use multiple pts to a room and aren’t remodeling every day of the year, either.
 
The Brits live in places built 300 years ago James.
There was enough housing in GB 300 years ago to house today's population? Well who knew.

Is this the new right wing defection?
I wouldn't know anything about that. I'm as middle of the road as the double yellow line. Americans could afford universal healthcare I we all live in trailers parks in a 12 x 72. I prefer my acreage that 99% of Britts could never afford...
 
There was enough housing in GB 300 years ago to house today's population? Well who knew.


I wouldn't know anything about that. I'm as middle of the road as the double yellow line. Americans could afford universal healthcare I we all live in trailers parks in a 12 x 72. I prefer my acreage that 99% of Britts could never afford...
And 99% of Americans can’t afford, either.
 
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Yeah we should all live in 800 square foot flats so we can wait in line for universal health care...
That’s not how it works. If you’re going to be ignorant about it, don’t post. We’re getting scammed here. Nobody wants to trade with the American healthcare racket.
 
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I guess you feel the only way you can win an argument is to make up your own facts. I never said it was OK to bail out Wall Street and I have no idea what you are talking about when you claim I support handouts for the wealthy. In America we should all be as free as possible to be as successful as possible or to fail. That is called freedom. No one should bail out failure or risky behavior and no one should pay a college kid for choosing a school he/she can't afford or for a getting a useless degree.

Tax cuts are not bailouts for the rich. Taxes are supposed to be a fee all Americans pay to support our country, they should never be used as a redistribution of wealth scheme. Why should honest successful Americans be penalized for their hard work? Why should illegal immigrants be rewarded for breaking our immigration laws? I believe in rewarding good behavior and penalizing bad behavior.
What you believe is a fool’s paradise, dude.
 
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Childs play compared to what's going on now.

Not to mention that Reagan had a D controlled House all 8 years.
You’re mixed up. Under Trump the budget deficits rose from $600 billion to $2 trillion. He added $8 trillion to the national debt. Under Biden budget deficits have declined. Republicans have loved tax cuts going back to Reagan, then complain about the resulting national debt when they pass the reigns to Democrats.
 
You’re mixed up. Under Trump the budget deficits rose from $600 billion to $2 trillion. He added $8 trillion to the national debt. Under Biden budget deficits have declined. Republicans have loved tax cuts going back to Reagan, then complain about the resulting national debt when they pass the reigns to Democrats.

Trumps 4 year total $5.56T
Bidens 3 year total $5.85T
 
Here's the email. Too long for 1 post, so links are in the next post.


Two big stories today that together reveal a broader landscape.

The first is that the Bureau of Labor Statistics today released another blockbuster jobs report. The country added 272,000 jobs in May, far higher than the 180,000 jobs economists predicted. A widespread range of sectors added new jobs, including health care, government, leisure and hospitality, and professional, scientific, and technical services. Wages are also up. Over the past year, average hourly earnings have grown 4.1%, higher than the rate of inflation, which was 3.4% over the same period.

The unemployment rate ticked up from 3.9% to 4%. This is not a significant change, but it does break the 27-month streak of unemployment below that number.

The second big story is that Justice Clarence Thomas amended a financial filing from 2019, acknowledging that he should have reported two free vacations he accepted from Texas billionaire Harlan Crow. While in the past he said he did not need to disclose such gifts, in today’s filing he claimed he had “inadvertently omitted” the trips on earlier reports. ProPublica broke the story of these and other gifts from Crow, including several more trips than Thomas has so far acknowledged.

Fix The Court, a nonprofit advocacy group that seeks to reform the federal courts, estimates that Thomas has accepted more than $4 million in gifts over the last 20 years. As economic analyst Steven Rattner pointed out, that’s 5.6 times more than the other 16 justices on the court in those years combined.

These two news items illustrate a larger story about the United States in this moment.

The Biden administration has quite deliberately overturned the supply-side economics that came into ascendancy in 1981 when President Ronald Reagan took office and that remained dominant until 2021, when Biden entered the White House. Adherents of that ideology rejected the idea that the government should invest in the “demand side” of the economy—workers and other ordinary Americans—to develop the economy, as it had done since 1933.

Instead, they maintained that the best way to nurture the economy was to support the “supply side”: those at the top. Cutting business regulations and slashing taxes would create prosperity, they said, by concentrating wealth in the hands of individuals who would invest in the economy more efficiently than they could if the government interfered in their choices. That smart investment would dramatically expand the economy, supporters argued, and everyone would do better.

But supply-side economics never produced the results its supporters promised. What it did do was move money out of the hands of ordinary Americans into the hands of the very wealthy. Economists estimate that between 1981 and 2021, more than $50 trillion dollars moved from the bottom 90% of Americans to the top 1%.

In order to keep that system in place, Republicans worked to make it extraordinarily difficult for Congress to pass laws making the government do anything, even when the vast majority of Americans wanted it to. With the rise of Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to the position of Senate majority leader in 2007, they weaponized the filibuster so any measure that went against their policies would need 60 votes in order to get through the Senate, and in 2010 they worked to take over state legislatures so that they could gerrymander state congressional districts so severely that Republicans would hold far more seats than they had earned from voters.

With Congress increasingly neutered, the power to make law shifted to the courts, which Republicans since the Reagan administration had been packing with appointees who adhered to their small-government principles.

Clarence Thomas was a key vote on the Supreme Court. But as ProPublica reported in December 2023, Thomas complained in 2000 to a Republican member of Congress about the low salaries of Supreme Court justices (equivalent to about $300,000 today) and suggested he might resign. The congressman and his friends were desperate to keep Thomas, with his staunchly Republican vote, on the court. In the years after 2000, friends and acquaintances provided Thomas with a steady stream of gifts that supplemented his income, and he stayed in his seat.

But what amounts to bribes has compromised the court. After the news broke that Thomas has now disclosed some of the trips Crow gave him, conservative lawyer George Conway wrote: “It’s long past time for there to be a comprehensive criminal investigation, and congressional investigation, of Justice Thomas and his finances and his taxes. What he has taken, and what he has failed to disclose, is beyond belief, and has been so for quite some time.” A bit less formally, over a chart of the monetary value of the gifts Thomas has accepted, Conway added: “I mean. This. Is. Just. Nuts.”

As the Republican system comes under increasing scrutiny, Biden’s renewal of traditional economic policies is showing those policies to be more successful than the Republicans’ system ever was. If Americans turn against the Republican formula of slashing taxes and deregulating business, those at the top of the economy stand to lose both wealth and control of the nation’s economic system.

Trump has promised more tax cuts and deregulation if he is reelected, although the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office recently projected that his plan to extend the 2017 tax cuts that are set to expire in 2025 will add more than $3 trillion to the deficit over the next decade. In April, at a meeting with 20 oil executives, Trump promised to cut regulations on the fossil fuel industry in exchange for $1 billion in donations, assuring them that the tax breaks he would give them once he was in office would pay for the donation many times over (indeed, an analysis quoted in The Guardian showed his proposed tax cuts would save them $110 billion). On May 23, he joined fossil fuel executives for a fundraiser in Houston.

In the same weeks, Biden’s policies have emphasized using the government to help ordinary people rather than to move wealth upward.

On May 31 the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) announced that it will make its experimental free electronic filing system permanent. It asked all 50 states and the District of Columbia to sign on to the program and to help taxpayers use it. The program’s pilot this year was wildly successful, with more than 140,000 people filing that way. Private tax preparers, whose industry makes billions of dollars a year, oppose the new system.

The Inflation Reduction Act provided funding for this program and for beefing up the ability of the IRS to audit the wealthiest taxpayers. As Fatima Hussein wrote for the Associated Press, Republicans cut $1.4 billion from these funds last summer and will shift an additional $20 billion from the IRS to other programs over the next two years.

Today the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services issued five new reports showing that thanks in part to the administration's outreach efforts about the Affordable Care Act, the rate of Black Americans without health insurance dropped from 20.9% in 2010 to 10.8% in 2022. The same rate among Latinos dropped from 32.7% to 18%. For Asian Americans, Native Hawaiians, and Pacific Islanders, the rate of uninsured dropped from 16.6% to 6.2%. And for American Indians and Alaska Natives, the rate dropped from 32.4% to 19.9%. More than 45 million people in total are enrolled in coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

President Biden noted the strength of today’s jobs report in a statement, adding: “I will keep fighting to lower costs for families like the ones I grew up with in Scranton.” Republicans “have a different vision,” he said, “one that puts billionaires and special interests first.” He promised: “I will never stop fighting for Scranton—not Park Avenue.”
Yeah. 20 million more illegals will sure help the economy. How about more double digit inflation. That will help. How about becoming more energy dependent. That will help. How about funding more wars. That will help.
 
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I know I "contributed" earlier in the thread somewhere, but have we gotten around to actually thanking Reagan and the conservatives yet?

Thank you Reagan and the conservatives!!

Also, thank you Abe Lincoln and the GOP for Juneteenth! I get a day off next week. And thank you Barack Obama for making it official!
 
There was enough housing in GB 300 years ago to house today's population? Well who knew.


I wouldn't know anything about that. I'm as middle of the road as the double yellow line. Americans could afford universal healthcare I we all live in trailers parks in a 12 x 72. I prefer my acreage that 99% of Britts could never afford...
Through the mechanisms detailed above, we predict that a single-payer healthcare system would require $3.034 trillion annually (Figure 3, Appendix), $458 billion less than current national healthcare expenditure.


Non-inclusive, inequitable systems limit quality healthcare access to those who can afford it or have employer-sponsored insurance. These policies exacerbate health disparities by failing to prioritize preventive measures at the environmental, policy, and individual level. Low SES segments of the population are particularly vulnerable within a healthcare system that does not prioritize affordable care for all or address important determinants of health. Failing to prioritize comprehensive, affordable health insurance for all members of society and straying further from prevention will harm the health and economy of the U.S. While there are undoubtedly great economic costs associated with universal healthcare in the U.S., we argue that in the long-run, these costs will be worthwhile, and will eventually be offset by a healthier populace whose health is less economically burdensome. Passing of the Obama-era ACA was a positive step forward as evident by the decline in uninsured U.S. citizens (estimated 7–16.4 million) and Medicare’s lower rate of spending following the legislation [43]. The U.S. must resist the current political efforts to dislodge the inclusive tenets of the Affordable Care Act. Again, this is not to suggest that universal healthcare will be a cure-all, as social determinants of health must also be addressed. However, addressing these determinants will take time and universal healthcare for all U.S. citizens is needed now. Only through universal and inclusive healthcare will we be able to pave an economically sustainable path towards true public health.


Saving almost $500 billion per year on healthcare would put us all in trailer parks? Where the hell does your logic come from??

 
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That’s not how it works. If you’re going to be ignorant about it, don’t post. We’re getting scammed here. Nobody wants to trade with the American healthcare racket.
I’ll post whenever I feel like it, gym rat. I’m getting scammed by paying for your healthcare primiums plus my own. Plus all the subsidies for affordable housing and Obamacare.
 
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I’ll post whenever I feel like it, gym rat. I’m getting scammed by paying for your healthcare primiums plus my own. Plus all the subsidies for affordable housing and Obamacare.
You might pay half a cent to my premium. I pay the rest of it, and it lessens my take home every year. But hey, why are you complaining? Or are you saying, like me, you'd like to switch to universal health care like the rest of the world has...who aren't getting ripped off by insurance and pharmaceutical companies?

It's an endless cycle here. Everything is rigged for the wealthy, that hurts the middle class, and then the middle class doesn't want to take care of poor people.
 
The Trump tax cuts should be extended,.. We have a spending problem.
Billionaires LOVE you. The middle class and poor? Not so much. Rifler loves to increase the wealth gap. I can guess where your first cuts would go.
 
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