The Abortion Ban Backlash Is Starting to Freak Out Republicans
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Florida either. Almost a year after signing a 15 week abortion ban bill, DeSantis is about to put a 6 week ban into law. What could have possibly changed in a year? What base is he playing to now that he's a presidential candidate?
No matter how many times an article tries to claim that there are pro-choice Republicans out there I will never believe them. Every time Republicans are in power the first thing they do is start passing anti-abortion laws. Every single time.
Simple solution, never ever trust or vote for a conservative. Words i live by.
And apparently, know for sure that the Democratic candidate is actually a Democrat too.
Not entirely true. 41 and Barbara were pro choice. 41 didn't want a political agenda that included it. (I was a CT Republican back then). There were plenty of pro-choice Republicans back then.
You've got a party that restricts voting, restricts what a woman can do with her body, wants unfettered access to firearms despite it resulting in kids getting shot in schools, and sympathizes with Russia. wtf did they think was going to happen when they stacked federal courts and the Supreme Court with radicals fitting this agenda?
You should see how stacked Florida's courts are. Before the midterms, I checked out all of the judges that were on the ballot, under the thing, "should they be reappointed to their position?" OMG, to find out they were all appointed by DeSantis or Rick Scott? That's downright scary. Plus we have an all Republican legislature.
Then, all the redistricting stuff. There's also a lot of behind the scenes BS. In my 70 years on the planet, I only read what is happening now in history classes. Shades of McCarthyism and Goebels, Musselini and Franco.
That's ancient history. In the last 30 years, it's been a competition to see who is the rightiest of the right. If only there were Republicans like Bush 41 these days. He was the last Republican that I can say I felt made decisions based on what he felt was best for the country (even if those policies were bad) and wouldn't put personal ambition above that. Now, nothing comes in front of what the Party wants.
I get it, but there's something really weird in this country, and perhaps you and others can tell me from your perspective.
I can see where my friends and I moved, because, for one, we were always center with some left leanings. And, initially, I was a Republican because I was an AF overseas BRAT. Part of that fight was for Viet Nam vets.
When you return to the states, after being stationed in a foreign country and people throw things at you, well, you get the picture.
My big question is, why are some of my dem now Trump like Republicans. Just 10 years ago they were democrats. Now they totally went to the dark side. How did that happen??? I can guess that they are closet racist, they buy into the maga rhetoric. It's like they lost their humanity.
Polls show 60+% of the GOP believes abortions should be illegal in most cases according to the article.
You appear to be out of step with your party.
A hard lesson learned in NC this past week.
North Carolina Republicans gained a veto-proof supermajority in the state House after a Charlotte-area Democrat announced Wednesday she was switching parties.
State Rep. Tricia Cotham, who won as a Democrat in her blue district last fall by nearly 20 points, said at a news conference in Raleigh that “the modern-day Democratic Party has become unrecognizable to me.”
“I am no longer a Democrat, but I remain a public servant, that is what I am called to do. The party that represents me and my principles and what is best for North Carolina is the Republican Party,” Cotham, wearing a red dress and surrounded by her new Republican colleagues, said outside the state GOP headquarters in Raleigh.
This shithole won her district by twenty f'n points six months ago and NOW says the modern-day party has become unrecognizable. So six months ago was the good old days????
If that's true, she should RESIGN and allow her district to have someone who will represent THEM. What they will do now is carve up her district to dilute those votes and there's nothing to stop them since they gained control of the SC. I really hate the GOP
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Probably would have been smarter in the long run to just regulate the abortion down to the first trimester.
I hate abortion even in the first trimester and I support bans so long as they allow exceptions to protect the life of the mother.
That said you also have to recognize that is not where the majority of the country is. I think the majority of the country is comfortable with bans after the first trimester.
I hate abortion even in the first trimester and I support bans so long as they allow exceptions to protect the life of the mother.
That said you also have to recognize that is not where the majority of the country is. I think the majority of the country is comfortable with bans after the first trimester.
Going to be fascinating to watch these 2024 hopefuls try to thread the abortion needle. They won't be able to get the Republican nomination without promising some sort of wildly unpopular federal abortion ban, which will kill them with moderates in the general.
They got old and their latent racist/homophobic/religious views began to manifest. Some are just lonely and it's so easy to find kindred spirits when you embrace MAGA. I've got a few in my family.
I think they've always been this way, it just took a while to emerge. They're also gullible.......very gullible. I'd say they're stupid, too, but I think I'd be wrong. Plenty of intelligent have gone down this road.
They are who they are. Luckily, they're not increasing in numbers. And the people who they blindly follow, aren't doing them any favors.
So, again, she can "bleed out" for weeks until her health becomes critical, rather than get standard of care and abort a miscarried pregnancy immediately.
Herein lies the problem, and you think you're being reasonable, but you aren't.
States like Iowa aren't making this any easier. Highly likely a six week ban is greenlit by the Iowa court. Public won't go for this level of extremism.
No if you get 2 doctors saying that major and potentially fatal health complications are inevitable if the pregnancy continues I'm ok with the abortion right then.
There is no reason that they should have to wait for things to go from bad to worse before acting.
You really think Iowa is going to stop voting for Republicans though?
I can see where abortion might cost Republicans a few percentage points which can swing close elections against them. But this issue isn't going to suddenly flip state legislatures where they have been in charge for decades or more.
Then why are Rs talking about compromising to protect their elections?
But they aren't "inevitable"
They may be "likely" or "possible", and Standard of Care is to abort using the drug combo to PREVENT them from happening. Then, women can get back to their jobs, or caring for their other kids instead of hemorrhaging in a bed.
Eli Lilly is already chastising Indiana over this, and large employers in other states will have the same problem attracting talent, because not many women want to have to jump through hoops to medically address a problem pregnancy or miscarriage. And husbands won't want their wives bleeding out due to silly rules put in place by a religious minority.
I do. Wisconsin used to be R. Penn used to be R. Michigan used to be R. They all lost control. Dems can and will rebound in Iowa. A 10 point lean just isn't enough to protect the Rs anymore.
Because they're full of shit and so are their supporters.
FYI: pregnancy, on the whole, carries more medical risk and potential for death than an abortion does.
Ergo, your position here is to allow doctors to make decisions on behalf of their patients, with government staying the F out of the way.
A woman in TX was pregnant with twins. She discovered that one was congenitally damaged and wouldn't survive. Period. The doctors advised removing that twin. Carrying it to term put the health of the other twin at very high risk and put the mother's health at risk. Under TX law, she couldn't get the health care she and her healthy child needed.
Are you ok with that? Neither her health, nor the health of the other twin were at imminent risk but continuing to carry both would incrementally increase the possibility of damage to her healthy child every single day. She had the means to leave the state and get the care she AND HER UNBORN CHILD needed...how many women won't have that ability?
Ok so clarify the law which allows abortion to protect the life of the mother and siblings carried in utero.
To me it's not that complicated that we can't define the difference between an elective abortion and a medically necessary one to protect lives.
How about a fetus with defects that is going to die before birth, or shortly after birth? All good with you, I guess?
But it IS that complicated, because you'll never legislate every medical scenario.
Abortions are already fairly uncommon, and with education/access to birth control, they get less common.
Since we cannot "advertise" birth control, because it's a "sin", we end up with lots of unwanted/unexpected pregnancies. And in order to prevent those abortions, we have to screw everyone else over.
Hell, the drug combo is for early-term, which Republicans claimed they were "ok" with, and now we can see how far they really want to go. Rather than recognized they've lied to you and misled you on this, you still support their platforms.
Amazing.
This is why Ireland did away with their abortion bans. They eliminated their "heartbeat bill" because a woman with a terminal pregnancy w/ no chance of survival, but a "heartbeat" was forced to carry the pregnancy until she ultimately died.
And that was a step too far for Catholic Ireland.
We are going in the opposite direction in this country, thanks to the GOP minority wackos.
I'm ok with giving doctors the call if they are doing one medical basis of protecting the life of the mother from major and extraordinary risks associated with continuing a pregnancy.
I don't however want the thought of "well there are risks with pregnancy" to become a backdoor to more elective abortions.
I'm not going to second guess 2 doctors that consider it necessary to protect the life of the mother. But the question of if the mother or father wanting the child or not should not weigh into that decision.
There was another one in Louisiana last week as well. Coupled with George Santos it's become pretty clear there is a concerted effort to try and sneak these "sleeper" candidates into races that aren't very closely followed to steal seats that are usually reliably Democrat.
Once is weird, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern.
