You said long term. If long term isn’t 10-20 years, then what, exactly, is long term to you?I have never put a time frame up, much less 10-20 years. That's your projection.
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You said long term. If long term isn’t 10-20 years, then what, exactly, is long term to you?I have never put a time frame up, much less 10-20 years. That's your projection.
I said: "We won't know what the long term outlook for COVID patients is until we get there, I agree. But we do know what some patients, many who weren't hospitalized, are experiencing in the 3-6 month range after they were infected. Too soon to tell if those conditions will be long term. "You said long term. If long term isn’t 10-20 years, then what, exactly, is long term to you?
This is the dumbest argument of them all. "Player Safety". Bullshit. They are so much safer going to classes and parties, than being tested frequently, and basically in their own bubble during football season. Seems reasonable to me. The Big 10 made a politically driven, terrible decision.You are incorrect. I'm a be cautious and when in doubt land on the side of player safety. Too much unknown this fall. Big Ten made the right call.
You think the Big Ten collectively agreed to forgo hundreds of millions in revenue this fall as a political point?This is the dumbest argument of them all. "Player Safety". Bullshit. They are so much safer going to classes and parties, than being tested frequently, and basically in their own bubble during football season. Seems reasonable to me. The Big 10 made a politically driven, terrible decision.
Athletes are still being tested frequently. UI Athletics puts out an update weekly.This is the dumbest argument of them all. "Player Safety". Bullshit. They are so much safer going to classes and parties, than being tested frequently, and basically in their own bubble during football season. Seems reasonable to me. The Big 10 made a politically driven, terrible decision.
You are all over the map, here.I said: "We won't know what the long term outlook for COVID patients is until we get there, I agree. But we do know what some patients, many who weren't hospitalized, are experiencing in the 3-6 month range after they were infected. Too soon to tell if those conditions will be long term. "
What we do know is that some people still aren't back to normal 3-6 months later.
I don't know which is the best anyone should be able to say right now. What I can say is there's enough uncertainty that I agree with the B1G decision to delay the season.You are all over the map, here.
Just how long do you think sports should be shut down?
Warren needs to terminated immediately!!!If you haven't been following along, this is all you need to know regarding B10 football..wow..very telling.
It is too soon to tell if that statement is correct. We need to recognize and respect what we don't know yet.
I haven't ventured into any the generalities you've brought up. What I'm saying there's enough uncertainty for football, a violent contact sport, to be postponed this fall.So what do you suggest as how we proceed? We don't know the future, so it's too unsafe for any normal activities? How is that a plan? It's not. These are actual persons' lives that are being impacted. Tens of millions of people unemployed. High school seniors are only high school seniors once in their lives. So too bad, you get to spend an entire year virtual learning, and no graduation, no sports, just because "we don't know the long-term effects." Many people are saying "no thank you" to that approach.
It's okay for people to make policy decisions based on what we do know, on data and acceptance for level of risk. Even when we can't predict the future with exact certainty. We do it as a society all the time. It's why there was support in raising the speed limit from 55 to 65 on certain highways and 70 or more on some others. But myself and many others, who have been exceedingly patient and cautious for going on 6 months now, are at the point where we have decided that we are at far greater risk and damage from closing down important portions of society vs letting people have the freedoms outlined in the Constitution and make decisions for themselves about how to best live their lives.
It's fact that if you are not in a nursing home, you have about a 99.93% change of survival if you get COVID. And if you are 50 or under and healthy, then even less risk than that. So yeah, to me that is enough certainty to let people live their lives.
I don't know which is the best anyone should be able to say right now. What I can say is there's enough uncertainty that I agree with the B1G decision to delay the season.
I don't know which is the best anyone should be able to say right now. What I can say is there's enough uncertainty that I agree with the B1G decision to delay the season.
Just curious - given the uncertainties, what exactly are we preventing by not playing that would occur if they did play? They're still getting a bunch of aerobic activity regardless. They're still getting exposed to outside sources of covid regardless. They're getting tested regularly and contact tracing and quarantine is occurring if positive regardless.
Do we really think the exposure to other teams (who are also following a vigorous prevention and detection regimen) during a game is that much more significant? If so, why are we allowing high school kids to play?
I don't think high schoolers should be playing either.
Working out alone is different than practicing with teammates which is different than contact practices which is different than full games. Each level you increase the risk of transmission through teams and increase the risk to the player if they have or have had Covid.
Very well said. That's all.So what do you suggest as how we proceed? We don't know the future, so it's too unsafe for any normal activities? How is that a plan? It's not. These are actual persons' lives that are being impacted. Tens of millions of people unemployed. High school seniors are only high school seniors once in their lives. So too bad, you get to spend an entire year virtual learning, and no graduation, no sports, just because "we don't know the long-term effects." Many people are saying "no thank you" to that approach.
It's okay for people to make policy decisions based on what we do know, on data and acceptance for level of risk. Even when we can't predict the future with exact certainty. We do it as a society all the time. It's why there was support in raising the speed limit from 55 to 65 on certain highways and 70 or more on some others. But myself and many others, who have been exceedingly patient and cautious for going on 6 months now, are at the point where we have decided that we are at far greater risk and damage from closing down important portions of society vs letting people have the freedoms outlined in the Constitution and make decisions for themselves about how to best live their lives.
It's fact that if you are not in a nursing home, you have about a 99.93% change of survival if you get COVID. And if you are 50 or under and healthy, then even less risk than that. So yeah, to me that is enough certainty to let people live their lives.
The contact part of football is what makes football unique . It's what keeps players with other diseases (mono) from returning even when they feel better.I would agree that there is a slightly increased risk of infection, but with the testing and tracing they're doing it is marginal at best. As far as risk to the player if they have or have had covid, I disagree. If they're practicing, they're stressing their bodies the same as playing. Maybe not with respect to hitting, but in every other way they're working as hard or harder in practice and lifting than they are in a game.
Studies are showing, and experts are more and more agreeing, that it is ok to play.I don't think high schoolers should be playing either.
Working out alone is different than practicing with teammates which is different than contact practices which is different than full games. Each level you increase the risk of transmission through teams and increase the risk to the player if they have or have had Covid.
I have seen no studies saying it's a good idea to play tackle football.Studies are showing, and experts are more and more agreeing, that it is ok to play.
Please justify how it is ok for HS and college students to attend class, but not ok to play football.
In regards to Covid. Stop being intentionally obtuse.I have seen no studies saying it's a good idea to play tackle football.
I'm not. I have seen no studies that say it is "ok" to play football this fall. Where are you seeing that?In regards to Covid. Stop being intentionally obtuse.
I'm not. I have seen no studies that say it is "ok" to play football this fall. Where are you seeing that?
Did you read his statement? He said "Studies are showing, and experts are more and more agreeing, that it is ok to play."Holy cow. Do you need a study to tell you it's okay to go outside?
How about we start from the presumption that all normal activities are okay, and it's the job of those in power to prove that we need to take liberties away? This is like proving a negative.
As opposed to you focusing on semantics and trivial bullshit in order to dodge the question?You're in such a rush to prove how unafraid you are you start going in circles.
Just check out the mortality rate for high school and college age kids. Should be an easy google for you. Also, if it is ok for them to attend class, then explain how it is not ok to play football. High schools across the country are playing with no problem. The NFL is playing, as is MLB and the NBA. With the new testing procedures, and the extremely low positive results that are showing, there are no legitimate reasons not to play.I'm not. I have seen no studies that say it is "ok" to play football this fall. Where are you seeing that?
What am I dodging? "No, I don't need a study to tell me it's safe to go outside."As opposed to you focusing on semantics and trivial bullshit in order to dodge the question?
So, no study.Just check out the mortality rate for high school and college age kids. Should be an easy google for you. Also, if it is ok for them to attend class, then explain how it is not ok to play football. High schools across the country are playing with no problem. The NFL is playing, as is MLB and the NBA. With the new testing procedures, and the extremely low positive results that are showing, there are no legitimate reasons not to play.
We get it......you are scared. But your fear should not dictate what others can or can’t do.
My "fear" isn't dictating anything. The B1G made their decision without asking me if you can believe it. I just agree with it.Just check out the mortality rate for high school and college age kids. Should be an easy google for you. Also, if it is ok for them to attend class, then explain how it is not ok to play football. High schools across the country are playing with no problem. The NFL is playing, as is MLB and the NBA. With the new testing procedures, and the extremely low positive results that are showing, there are no legitimate reasons not to play.
We get it......you are scared. But your fear should not dictate what others can or can’t do.
LOL why would she say it if there was some grand conspiracy. Lunacy.Nothing to see here ......................................
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That is one way of being politeIn regards to Covid. Stop being intentionally obtuse.
Here is one.So, no study.
I've seen this passed around as gospel truth and I don't know why besides confirmation bias. That's not a study, that's one guy (an odd one at that) claiming to compile information that isn't publicly available. At least ISU and UI are not releasing any specific hospitalized numbers so how on earth can he claim there are "0". Lack of data does not mean 0.
Here are actual deaths as reported by the CDC (although I’m sure you will dismiss it because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Notice that only 315 of the 19,998 total deaths for ages 15-25 were due to Covid.I've seen this passed around as gospel truth and I don't know why besides confirmation bias. That's not a study, that's one guy (an odd one at that) claiming to compile information that isn't publicly available. At least ISU and UI are not releasing any specific hospitalized numbers so how on earth can he claim there are "0". Lack of data does not mean 0.
You haven't countered my argument at all. Reading comprehension is not a strength of yoursHere are actual deaths as reported by the CDC (although I’m sure you will dismiss it because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Notice that only 315 of the 19,998 total deaths for ages 15-25 were due to Covid.
COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics
Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.www.cdc.gov
Case closed.
Exactly, the BIG 10 is going to try and start practice and playing at the height of virus season, when everyone is inside in heated air. The safest place to be is outside, in the Sun, in cold air. We make the surgery rooms at UIHC as cold as people can take, it keeps the spread of germs down.So a virus that is less harmful than the flu for the players is a good science based reason to not play in the Fall?
Delaying to January makes sense why? You going to have long term affects scientifically proven by then? What exactly will you accomplish by doing this?? Well I guess we will all be indoors where the virus spreads easier. Oh and hospitals will have more stress due to flu season makes a lot of sense. And we can ask our student athletes to compete 2 seasons in 1 calendar year. Player safety, right?
You’re just an idiot B1G cheerleader that thinks the B1G is making a rational decision. And scream SCIENCE with no real rhyme or reason.
Sure I have. I’ve shown there is very little Covid mortality for HS/college age kids. So....almost no Covid danger from playing football. Play ball!You haven't countered my argument at all. Reading comprehension is not a strength of yours