It's just too damn bad you guys don't bitch about this so Kirk will play him. As I have learned here Kirk makes decision based on this boards complaints.
The Curious Case of Jay Scheel
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It's just too damn bad you guys don't bitch about this so Kirk will play him. As I have learned here Kirk makes decision based on this boards complaints.
But that's not what's happening here. What was posted is...
1) Scheel is the best athlete we have at WR, therefore is the best we got, making this a Willies situation in that the coaching staff is screwing up
2) Scheel because of these "facts", we are warned that he will likely transfer after seeing what happened to Willies
To wonder is to post a thread simply asking why Scheel hasn't played yet.
To insinuate and over-inflate and accuse the staff of a shammockery mirroring Willies (therefore assuming and believing that Iowa screwed the pooch in not playing the most talented guy we had, and then kicked him to the curb when he wanted to come back AFTER he quit the team) is the exact post we got.
Only a person who backs Willies in the past situation posts a thread like this. All we know about Willies is he's pretty good playing touch football in a Texas JC at this point. Obvious Heisman candidate we drove away apparently.
I have never seen such a furor over a player, who had maybe tops 5 total receptions his entire career who QUIT on the team mid-season, as I have with Willies. I can think of no other situation ever at Iowa that is even remotely comes close to this as far as the levels of absurdity it produced.
You'd think we were talking about Odell Beckham, Julio Jones, and AJ Green all rolled into one...
Perhaps. However, the OP stated don't be surprised if we have a Willies situation.
No doubt the OP may have reached a bit but he(or she) didn't say that was for sure what was happening. Also, Willies did show some potential. I won't get into the specifics of that situation (because I'm not certain it has anything to do with Scheel) but for a program thin at WR it would be nice to have some guys out there who can make some plays.
Yeah ... iowalaw's very MO is to stir the pot. He's been doing it for years ... at least for as long as I've been posting on Hawkeye boards. One of his old handles was iowalawschool - even then he trolled in exactly the same way.
As a former college football player (UNI), I can tell you that all of the high school accolades and stars mean little once the competition starts in camp. For example I beat out a kid who was a "HS All-American" (please) and another who led the nation in rushing in HS. I'm confident in saying that Scheel would be playing if he was better than the others.
Great points, Uuummmmm-Not.
How anyone could write this with a straight face that has watched any Iowa Football in the last 17 years is beyond me.
And not to mention fresh from coming off the Rudock versus Beathard situation. LOL! Oh, I forgot, CJ miraculously "grew" 5 years in a short 5 months. LOL! Couldn't have been that he was actually the better player all along, something people who never sniffed an Iowa practice could readily see on game day.
But it has been stated over and over again that Scheel is injured...there is no mystery. This the least interesting thread we have had for a long time.
Someone, please provide me the proof that Scheel needs to play now. Please. Any proof whatsoever. Please show me as it applies to this year any proof that he would make Iowa a better team right friggin' now.
Man, you never give up. You are a one trick pony. Iowa is 5-0 and nationally ranked. J. Smith actually WAS SEPERATING in the Wisconsin game, but a 25 mile an hour wind made it tough to connect for Beathard. Scheel is injured. Period. End of story. By the way, despite your relentless criticism on this board and other boards, Ferentz is now being discussed for his FOURTH Coach of the Year award in the Big Ten, which would be unprecedented and place him in the pantheon of all Big Ten coaches. He is NINTH all time now in wins in the Big Ten. GIVE IT UP - THE MAN CAN COACH
Will do Mr. Scheel, congrats on your son wearing black & gold, sorry you got butt. hurt. by my comment sir.
LOL!! Children, how old are you? Anyone who thinks a coach should be up for "Big Ten Coach Of the Year" after playing one game in the conference has never watched football before. You don't win awards for having a cupcake schedule early in the season...the schedule makers do.
And giving props to a WR for "separating" but not catching any balls? I take it you are all for giving ribbons to the kid who finished last place as well?
And giving props to a WR for "separating" but not catching any balls? I take it you are all for giving ribbons to the kid who finished last place as well?
The Hawkeyes are going to play the best players who are available, if healthy, regardless of their stars ratings.
Ferentz confirmed that Scheel has been healthy...he just plays other guys ahead of him. Similar to Willies last year. Similar to the Big 10's leading passer riding the bench all last season behind good ol' choir boy Jake Rudock.
Hawks are a fun team to watch and are playing well this year. You should check out a game some time.
I am questioning the validity of this post because he wasn't cleared to play until right before the season practice
I seriously doubt this post has any truth to it! I have a relative that played with him on the team and I was sure Scheel was hurt up until the start of the season. I verified with him before posting this and he was questionable right until the first game but did play. He also told me he didn't play in the 7 on 7 camps and another QB played those camps.
I saw him play in person probably 4 games that year and while I had not seen him before that year he was not the athlete I had heard about before. It was obvious the injury had a big effect on his ability to play.
If the player I checked things with was wrong and he did end up participating in one he is forgetting and indeed your story of lining up against someone is true he probably was not supposed to be out there in the first place and it would make sense he would choose someone he didn't have to push the injury with. But once again I doubt the accuracy in the first place.
Maybe it was before his junior year, then. But I was there. It was at ISU. They have their 7-on-7 in early June.
Well, another year is upon us an Scheel once again showed that he is one of the top 2 WRs on a team at Valley stadium. He pulled down a dazzling 80 yard td reception. Once again he has generated the most buzz in practice. And once again, our team has one of the least talented WR rosters in the Big 10.
Time will tell, but will this be another year where Scheel's "lack of blocking" keeps him on the bench behind less talented possession WRs? I believe we have a senior walk on who is listed ahead of him at the moment but who Ferentz likes his blocking.
Scheel was healthy last season for at least 1/2 the season, but homers will say that "injury" was the reason he had zero receptions. Hmmm. We had another buzz generating WR on the team the year before who rode the pine behind walkon WRs...and just made 1st team JUCO all American and is going to make a certain Texas team extremely happy this year. It would sure be nice to have him around this year for CJ to throw to to make defenses honest.
Time will tell, but will this be another year where Scheel's "lack of blocking" keeps him on the bench behind less talented possession WRs? I believe we have a senior walk on who is listed ahead of him at the moment but who Ferentz likes his blocking.
Scheel was healthy last season for at least 1/2 the season, but homers will say that "injury" was the reason he had zero receptions. Hmmm. We had another buzz generating WR on the team the year before who rode the pine behind walkon WRs...and just made 1st team JUCO all American and is going to make a certain Texas team extremely happy this year. It would sure be nice to have him around this year for CJ to throw to to make defenses honest.
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Until right now, I don't remember a time when anybody thought Jay was one of Iowa's top two receivers. What on earth are you blathering about? Barring injury, we are going to see what the kid can do this year.
Bold strategy to bump your own losing thread after a 12-2 season
LOL...yeah no kidding. Against my better judgement I came to see some practice observations. And here we are, after 3 plus years its still the same in here.I wont stay long but I'm going to share this, I know some folks hate my style but sports emulates life. There is ZERO chance any coach, let me resay this, at least any coach with a high competitive spirit that has the integrity track record of KF plays an inferior athlete just because?!?! NO Chance...!!
Furthermore it has been my experience as an employer, those that are the most likely to whine and cry and finger point and call others out are the most likely to get flat Pi%# Off" if they are called out. Also typically world class pains in the arse IMO. They also seem clueless to the fact that "talent" can't off set cancerous attitudes in today's work place or locker rooms. We see it the NFL constantly.
I don't see this Scheel situation as similar to Willies at all but for argument case my career has been littered with "Willies". Sometimes "The Willies" of the world move on and figure it out. Lord knows I've had my "Willies" moments. But in the current incarnation you are always better off without them than with them. Only a person who is very short sighted or lacks wisdom or discernment would disagree. Believe me I've tried it both ways. I've even sent "Willies" down the road and brought them back. A few figured it out, most did not...
But the over arching point is this; the hostile "coach" critic, its exhausting. Criticism is not only fine, but needed in the world, but the Spirit in whcih it is done is imperative to success and on these boards it blows and is really quite useless. When a person realizes that hall of fame coaches like Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick played Drew Bledsoe in front Tony Romo and Tom Brady its pretty clear to tell its tough eventuating performance in sports just like it is at any job.
Quite frankly this Jake Ruddock scenario made KF look good. Honestly as an Iowa fan who doesn't care for many of the Iowa fans I know...lol. CJ was a beast and Jake went on to have an awesome season at UM. Showing why it was such a tough situation. I know the "blind" critic uses this a their tool but that just shows how poor their reasoning abilities are.This one scenario encapsulates everything they say KF isn't. He rolled the dice, took a big risk and while Jake went on to be way above average at a big time school (showing his competence as KF already knew) it also showed KF was open-minded and would make the "tough" decision.It should have ended this personnel question forever but i guess not. Only the most ardent closed-minded critic doesn't see this.
I'm going to stop short of saying KF is beyond reproach, no one is. Nor would I say he didn't make personnel mistakes, but I don't EVER stand in judgement of someone making those decisions like they somehow ARE "screwing" the system on purpose or because of "fear" or "bias" or risk aversion (that's a critic favorite..LOL) Every fan base is constantly complaining about who the coach plays like they truly know anything. Its exhausting and stupid. I'm sure the local high school coach is playing the wrong kids too...get over it.
Not disagreeing with you but playing devils advocate all the same. Willies was a 3-star 5.5 while Scheel was a 4-star 5.8..Showing truly no one really knows, in particularly the aforementioned OP. They both appear to be fine athletes but Scheel has been injured and Willies from what I've seen of late is pouring on the juice. No I don't mean steroids, but he is motivated, I imagine we helped that. He should thank Iowa and maybe he does.
But finally the oh so elusive "separation" thing people talk about has very little to do with "speed". Its route awareness, strength, and short area quickness. The best separators in the NFL aren't necessarily fast, they run awesome routes and know where to break off their routes and "sit" down. THEY KNOW what they are doing, showing yet once again, that really people don't have a clue what they are even wanting.
Not too mention based on that video I saw that was a coverage break down, not a great route or even catch. Yes he caught it but it wasn't smooth per se.
Dazzling 80 yard reception?!?!? He caught a perfectly placed ball on a blown coverage against a player in a red jersey....meaning an injured player....i understood a bit more last year at this time reading your constant bs, due to the fact we were coming off a disappointing season. But cmon dude your shit gets old and you are completely clueless....
WR Smith was a 1st Team All state in TX, some how I doubt he is an inferior WR to Scheel as Scheel was listed as a Athlete who played QB for his school and played RB and other position when he got hurt his SR year, being a aTHLETE in HS does not = elite WR in college.
it takes time and being fully healthy to be a effective College WR. JS HAS NOT BEEN healthy. this concept escapes iowalaw. even Willies was a WR in HS,
Kids that are/were WR's in HS have the edge over Athletes who played multiple positions. Mitchell was a ATHLETE in HS and played QB, RB, WR and DB in HS, now he is RB after starting out as a WR, for IA,
JS has 3 years left to make or break his career. these new WR are not the normal WR IA has recruited in the past,
WR Ogwo TX top 100, USA JR Olympic 100 meter and 200 meter sprinter
WR Falconer Central Florida All Star team member
WR Smith already mentioned
WR former RB Parker fastest timed player on the IA Team took a full year to become a WR,
these are your normal WR recruits that the old staff brought in.
TE Kittle is a converted WR out of Oklahoma these are the TE's that have been brought in
2015 Vejvota starting Slot Receiver who split out to WR for his team 6'5 215 lbs
2016 Fant DE/TE 6'5 210 lbs
2016 Hochenson starting WR for his team state of IA All time reception and TD Receptions leader 6'5 230 lbs.
even the TE's are getting faster. having 2 of them that were starting Receivers for their teams.
it takes time and being fully healthy to be a effective College WR. JS HAS NOT BEEN healthy. this concept escapes iowalaw. even Willies was a WR in HS,
Kids that are/were WR's in HS have the edge over Athletes who played multiple positions. Mitchell was a ATHLETE in HS and played QB, RB, WR and DB in HS, now he is RB after starting out as a WR, for IA,
JS has 3 years left to make or break his career. these new WR are not the normal WR IA has recruited in the past,
WR Ogwo TX top 100, USA JR Olympic 100 meter and 200 meter sprinter
WR Falconer Central Florida All Star team member
WR Smith already mentioned
WR former RB Parker fastest timed player on the IA Team took a full year to become a WR,
these are your normal WR recruits that the old staff brought in.
TE Kittle is a converted WR out of Oklahoma these are the TE's that have been brought in
2015 Vejvota starting Slot Receiver who split out to WR for his team 6'5 215 lbs
2016 Fant DE/TE 6'5 210 lbs
2016 Hochenson starting WR for his team state of IA All time reception and TD Receptions leader 6'5 230 lbs.
even the TE's are getting faster. having 2 of them that were starting Receivers for their teams.
You. Are. An. Idiot.
Actually, based on your posts from the last several years, you're a fan from a rival team who likes to come here and stir us up with ridiculous crap statements and suppositions.
Congrats on being a world class dick.
Say hello to "Ignore", a$&hole...
Actually, based on your posts from the last several years, you're a fan from a rival team who likes to come here and stir us up with ridiculous crap statements and suppositions.
Congrats on being a world class dick.
Say hello to "Ignore", a$&hole...
I'm not so sure about that "rival" fan thought? When I left these Iowa message boards a few years ago it wasn't because of rival fans. It was because of our fans and the continual way they called coaches and players out. Losing sucks for sure but the continual way in which they expressed themselves and their refusal to really look and see things for what they were not just at Iowa but everywhere was truly tiresome. Iowalaw is just more of the same. No rival fan is over here talking about playing Scheel?! It would be just as bizarre to them as it is to us reasonable types. Likely they'd be laughing about someone suggesting he's done something of merit already, right?
A full 12 months have passed since I started this thread. Since that time, Scheel has been targeted a grand total of...ONE TIME. Starter, Smith, has had more balls than that bounce off his face mask and has run the wrong route only to see the ball fly far over his head numerous times.
It was clear in each of the past two spring games that Scheel has the "it" factor needed to be a WR in the Big 10. The skill needed by any top 25 school. Despite being tapped to start in the opening week of the season, Scheel had a minor injury and has since lost his starting spot for the rest of the season. Ferentz confirmed today that Scheel is healthy. So why is he only out on the field a handful of times each game? Because we already have too many playmakers? Because Smith is a better...ehm ehm, blocker? Or because Scheel keeps dropping important passes (nope). Chalk this one up to Smith's union card.
It was clear in each of the past two spring games that Scheel has the "it" factor needed to be a WR in the Big 10. The skill needed by any top 25 school. Despite being tapped to start in the opening week of the season, Scheel had a minor injury and has since lost his starting spot for the rest of the season. Ferentz confirmed today that Scheel is healthy. So why is he only out on the field a handful of times each game? Because we already have too many playmakers? Because Smith is a better...ehm ehm, blocker? Or because Scheel keeps dropping important passes (nope). Chalk this one up to Smith's union card.
The dude was injured and didn't even dress the first game.....pretty obvious answer to your discussion. I believe he had hamstring and quad issues-which are pretty common following reconstructive knee surgery. Pretty hard to play WR without hamstring and/or quad 100%
No, the only logical explanation is KF hates Scheel just like he hates Wadley. KF is trying to think of a way to run him off, just like he did Willies, as we speak. KF is racist, probably.
