The Double Foul

[sober_teacher]

I thought the flop itself was pretty convincing. If the ref had seen and thought about the contact it probably wouldn't have been called.

The key to the game was the first two fouls on Garza. Everyone was wanting to see the match up between these two teams. The two fouls weren't the kind of calls you make on one of the better players in the country, in the first five minutes of a game with a so much at stake.

Really disappointing.

Moving screen is one of the more infuriating fouls in basketball. There is zero consistency with the call. They never showed the replay so I didn't see exactly what Luka did, but a couple grabbed screenshots for twitter that showed Maryland guys obviously sticking their butts/hips out that weren't called.

Personally, didn't think the officiating was that bad last night. With that being said, the offensive foul and the double foul on Luka were really bad calls, and were really big calls.

I didn't think the officiating was terrible either, Luka's 4th foul was frustrating also, because of how the Maryland guy sold the contact - after all the commentary we've heard about cutting down on flops. Luka's foul was legit - his arm arched up and contacted the Maryland player...but then the Maryland play staggered 5 feet to one side and fell down like he'd been punched in the jaw.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

A change that I have suggested before is for college basketball to move to 6 personal fouls, before a player can't play. That would end the 2 foul and you sit out the half crap, which no one wants. It won't end the possible free throw shooting contest that we sometimes see, but at least the players and match ups, which fans want to see, are more likely to happen. It also slightly dilutes the impact of one or two lousy PF calls impacting the game so much.

The justification is that the shot clock has created more possessions, which creates more opportunities for fouls IMO. I haven't heard this come up for consideration, but I don't know what the argument against it would be.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

now they say why the heck should I put up with all the crap fans and parents are dishing out,,,not worth it! (Well that's their fault for A. being too lazy, and B. not having thick enough skin to be able to handle ignorant parents, players, and coaches who get upset over the calls you make. If you know what you're doing, then it shouldn't matter that fans and coaches are going to complain about anything and everything. I honestly don't even listen to upset parents and coaches at Youth games, unless they have a legitimate question or complaint.) This summer as I saw police come to a freshman baseball game and remove a parent who was giving the umpire and opposing catcher crap ---Its gotten crazy. (And that's unfortunate that ignorant parents would take something that seriously, but that's their problem. That kind of ridiculous behavior should not scare people away from wanting to be officials. If you just study the game and understand the rules, so that you are confident in your own ability to enforce the rules of that game, then that is all that matters. Yes, you will probably make mistakes, but as long as you are willing to own up to them and not let making a mistake fluster you into more mistakes (and this can be said about anything we do), and let an angry crowd or coaches and players fluster you into more mistakes, then you will be fine as an official.)

On a side note, I'll tell ya what actual profession would translate into being great at officiating....................police negotiator.

 

[hooper56]

A change that I have suggested before is for college basketball to move to 6 personal fouls, before a player can't play. That would end the 2 foul and you sit out the half crap, which no one wants. It won't end the possible free throw shooting contest that we sometimes see, but at least the players and match ups, which fans want to see, are more likely to happen. It also slightly dilutes the impact of one or two lousy PF calls impacting the game so much.

The justification is that the shot clock has created more possessions, which creates more opportunities for fouls IMO. I haven't heard this come up for consideration, but I don't know what the argument against it would be.

The rule I would like is no foul out. That is a player is not limited to how many fouls he can commit. However every foul committed after 5 is a “technical” and the offended team keeps possession of the ball after the free throws.

 

[Hawksfor3]

That same official burned us before.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Use to think Carstensen was decent. He’s F’n awful

Me too, but he was awful last night. Made up moving screen fouls on Smith and Garza, and that double foul was the worst call you'll see all year. No doubt. Garza stands in the lane, calls for the ball. Smith hooks his arm, falls backward, double foul. Terrible.

 

[kceasthawk]

I was surprised they T'd him up for that and I didn't like the call, but that's an easy one to avoid. I get his frustration, but if you watch the replay, whatever he said was enough that Pemsl was immediately pushing him back. As bad as the couple calls on Garza were, they're at least in the action and viewing angle can impact perspective. Kriener totally could have walked away or talked in a much less confrontational way.

If you asked him about it face to face right now, I'm guessing that's exactly what he'd tell you.

I'm not hating on Kriener, I enjoy watching him play. I was just pointing out that it was probably THE most avoidable foul of the game and it came at a time that was absolutely critical. The Hawks needed a good long stretch from him with Garza out and that T immediately put him on the bench with 2 fouls with more than 10 min to go in the first half. It was costly for sure.

Probably true, but we fans walk a fine line here. For the large part we've all been THRILLED this season with the grit and toughness of this team. To the man, these guys don't back down and its been refreshing. Sometimes playing with that kind of edge has consequences. Against Wisconsin Garza had finally had enough and drew a T for his comments to the opposing bench. Luckly we were at home and his late T didn't cause a loss. Last night it certainly didn't help.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Me too, but he was awful last night. Made up moving screen fouls on Smith and Garza, and that double foul was the worst call you'll see all year. No doubt. Garza stands in the lane, calls for the ball. Smith hooks his arm, falls backward, double foul. Terrible.

Agreed with the foul call on Smith. At the time I was cool with it since it seemed like a makeup for the screen call on Garza, but it was also a dicey moving screen call imo

 

[walleye hunter16]

should have gotten 2 tech's for flopping it was so bad.

Stop with the flopping crap.
Bad call, no flop just a huy who got whipped to the spot and fouled to recover.

 

[walleye hunter16]

"Double fouls" are such a weak move by refs. Pick someone or pull the players aside and tell them to take it easy, if they are shoving each other.

I'd also be interested in why we feel it is necessary to track fouls for players and foul them out of the game for getting 5 fouls. This allows Refs to have WAY too much impact on games.

Getting FTs is enough reward for getting fouled

Yeah, why can't they foul all the time.
LOL

 

[walleye hunter16]

I think the play of the game was Kriener's tech. He was going to the line for the and-1 but still had to bark. While Till and Pemsl held their own, that second foul on Kreiner really put Iowa in a bad position.

So lets see all of CBB have fouls called for guys talking during the game.
There would be no one left to play in most games.

 

[walleye hunter16]

Agreed. Normally, I wouldn't have been looking for a T on some of Maryland's dancing, but I thought the T on Kriener was going to be a sign that they weren't going to put up with extra stuff (they also gave Maryland a pretty quick warning on messing with the ball before Iowa's inbounds).....but then to your point, not a lot of follow-up/consistency.

Agreed. Normally, I wouldn't have been looking for a T on some of Maryland's dancing, but I thought the T on Kriener was going to be a sign that they weren't going to put up with extra stuff (they also gave Maryland a pretty quick warning on messing with the ball before Iowa's inbounds).....but then to your point, not a lot of follow-up/consistency.

They warned them but never followed on it.
They just kept jumping in between the Iowa players and the ball as the rest of the team ran down court to get redy on defense.