School buildings are crumbling. We need more vocational classes. This business of hs guidance counselors telling kids they are all "college bound" is a crock. Universities offering majors in "philosophy" is a crock. I have a former player who majored in political science and works as a bar tender. How does he put his expensive degree to work...by getting on Facebook daily spewing his Bernie Sanders socialist propaganda...well I think the world of the boy anyway.
Of course you are right...and yes there is nothing wrong with getting an education for the pursuit of knowledge alone...it just isn't practical.
Education is about learning to use your mind. Learning how to think. Philosophy is the sort of major that exemplifies what universities should teach IMO.
Most jobs require that a person be able to speak clearly and be understood. If you want to turn HS into a jobs training program, don't be afraid to cover your bases. Poor kids often sound like they have a cock in their mouth.There are elocution classes? If there are, btwn shop, IT, and elocution, one doesn't seem to fit.
just like this being sent to you.
Great analogy...but a little expensive. You and I differ because you see higher education as a continual life lesson. You see it as the pursuit of knowledge and the end result is the accomplishment of obtaining degrees...I've known folks with the same mentality. I see it as a means to achieve the goal of working in a career path you choose to follow. If I hadn't wanted to teach and coach I would never have gone to college...it is that simple. Now am I proud I obtained 2 degrees...sure but it was needed to achieve my career goals. For the record I earned my masters in educational psychology.
Guess you should have reread Mike Rowe's post. AND your response to his. You are the epitome of hypocritical.
You really don't. Most people won't retire in the field in which the graduate. You need to learn to think, write, analyze and persuade. You will coast through a half dozen career fields in your lifetime.
Still, there once were, doubtful any today but maybe extremely rare, engineers who did not attend a college. Now, it does take a degree. Many jobs do that once didn't.You should be able to get a kid out of Iowa for 60 grand. Assuming absolutely no financial aid
Once again, I'll ask you to provide tangible evidence to support your claim. Given your own advanced degrees, I'm sure you understand the need to present data to support your hypothesis.
If you're offering I wouldn't say no, but I have other vices I prefer.You smoke pot don't you.
My total educational bill including my masters was under 12k...my first teaching/coaching job paid me 22k...my little old teachers pension pays me 43k with yearly cola...for the rest of my life. I can work for now and make 15k...when I hit 66 I can make as much as I want if there are any jobs and I can find someone to hire me. My investment paid off just fine for me...I did exactly what I wanted to do since I was a kid...however for someone waiting tables or tending bar or cleaning out offices for a living and having 60k in student loan debt was the "quest for knowledge" really worth it after all?
In this instance I do not need to support my hypothesis with hard core data...the horror stories are plentiful...and painfully real.
Well my tuition bill for four years at Iowa was probably 10 Grand, housing 16 grand. That was 26 G total. First job 23G and my little ole Pension pays me going forward as well. Tuition/housing is about 83% higher than it was when I finished. Are salaries 83% higher than when you finished? I don't think so.
Do you have any success stories to balance them? How many students avoided the workhouse and went on to become absolutely average insurance salesmen because they got a political science degree? Got any of those tales?
I don't ever remember agreeing w/ Ciggy before. So, write this down. Williams and Amherst (2 liberal arts colleges) have some of the highest earning alumni in the country. LA teach you how to think and not memorize facts for multiple choice tests. You become more well-rounded and thus a better citizen. Many do post-grad work. LA colleges give you an education that lasts a lifetime. Big universities prepare you for a vocation that could very well be outsourced to China before you're 25 and you still have to pay off those loans.
