2 NBA players last year. Two on the roster currently. A number of other players that are incredibly athletic on the roster.
I think what yoh are trying to say is white players aren't athletic. Which makes you a racist
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I think what yoh are trying to say is white players aren't athletic. Which makes you a racist
No one ever accused Tim Dwight of not being athletic.
Again, I’m having a little fun with Outrage Roy. And yes, Iowa needs more athleticism on the team. You can interpret that how you want.
Which players aren't athletic on the roster? This should be entertaining
Well we are elite at one thing....winning BTT and losing 1st game or 2nd game in NCAA.
Didn't all three of Iowa's BTT teams lose in 1st game? I know the ~2000 Alford team lost to a very good Kentucky team, but I guess that was the 2nd game? The Alford Horner/Brunner team lost 1st game to NW Louisiana St which was not a sweet16 team and Fran's team lost to Richmond which of course is not a sweet16 team.
4. Of the 24 BTT champions, the breakdown goes like this. 3 lost in first round (Iowa 2 of those), 6 lost in second round, 6 lost in Sweet 16, 2 lost in elite 8, 2 lost in final 4, 4 lost in the championship game, and 1 team won it all. This data is a mixed-bag, but, you can deduct some things. First, Iowa is the outlier here as they are the only ones to lose twice in the first round, indicating that they under-performed in the NCAA. But, 9 of the 24 winners did not make it out of the first weekend which is substantial enough of a number to suggest that they were gassed after the BTT. Then, for the 15 teams that made it out of the first weekend, a much larger percentage in 9 of them made it to the elite 8. This suggests that once they got that week of rest they were reset.
Didn't all three of Iowa's BTT teams lose in 1st game? I know the ~2000 Alford team lost to a very good Kentucky team, but I guess that was the 2nd game? The Alford Horner/Brunner team lost 1st game to NW Louisiana St which was not a sweet16 team and Fran's team lost to Richmond which of course is not a sweet16 team.
4. Of the 24 BTT champions, the breakdown goes like this. 3 lost in first round (Iowa 2 of those), 6 lost in second round, 6 lost in Sweet 16, 2 lost in elite 8, 2 lost in final 4, 4 lost in the championship game, and 1 team won it all. This data is a mixed-bag, but, you can deduct some things. First, Iowa is the outlier here as they are the only ones to lose twice in the first round, indicating that they under-performed in the NCAA. But, 9 of the 24 winners did not make it out of the first weekend which is substantial enough of a number to suggest that they were gassed after the BTT. Then, for the 15 teams that made it out of the first weekend, a much larger percentage in 9 of them made it to the elite 8. This suggests that once they got that week of rest they were reset.
Fran gets my gratitude for resurrecting Iowa Basketball but he has taken the team as far as he can.
Bluder is stuck in a rut; keeps coming close to a great year and always falls short.
Bottom line its time to replace both coaches.
They keep coming up small when it really counts.
Bluder is stuck in a rut; keeps coming close to a great year and always falls short.
Bottom line its time to replace both coaches.
They keep coming up small when it really counts.
Holy crap would that be a headliner if Iowa replaced those 2.
Lol their 2018 National was one of the best championship teams ever. 3 first round picks and the National player of their year was the first player drafted in the 2nd round. Had one of the more difficult matcups in the tournament and they absolutely dominated everyone they played.
they are good this year but not nearly as talented. Michigan could beat them, but to say Jay Wright coach teams couldn’t compete in the Big Ten is a stretch.
Mens and womens teams are pretty close to mirror images of each other.
no defense. Everything looks amazing when you shoot the ball well.
no defense. Everything looks amazing when you shoot the ball well.
If you watch the round of 32 you can see the difference between Iowa and the other teams. Defensive dawgs.
we have maybe 2.
we have maybe 2.
I was very disappointed that It took Bluder so long to get out of the zone.
Not sure we have any elite defenders. Perkins is okay against slightly bigger guys. Quick guys give him trouble. Joe is quick but gets posted up very easily. Rebounding is going to have to improve a lot.
I was at the game and had no idea what Marshall was doing on defense. She was right up into the Creighton player but was playing on her weak hand side, giving the player a free drive to the right. Know where in basketball is that taught. You shade players on their strong hand to make them go to their weak side. Poor defense in critical situations and rebounding was why the women lost. It was almost a carbon copy of the men’s game on Thursday.
Look to the cookie!
ISU coach has a pretty good shot at getting to sweet16 with a team full of retreads.
Gabe Kalscheur from Minnesota. Brockington was Penn State guy. Some dude from slovakia
Gabe Kalscheur from Minnesota. Brockington was Penn State guy. Some dude from slovakia
This is 100% accurate. Teams know refs will allow physical play and that’s a great way to get high scoring teams out of rythm. Both teams have a very difficult time handling physical play and it takes them mentally out of thier game from my viewpoint. Instead of adjusting they many times complain and start worrying abouy a lack of calls instead. I think we’ve all seen this tournament and many times before that defense wins games. You have great defense you can still win when offensively challenged. Defense is a attitude. You either want to or not.
I'm tired of hearing we can't get talent to Iowa. Vast majority of teams in this tournament have great talent. We just have a coach that isn't very good at recruiting......or coaching for that matter.
I’ll try!
none of these guys play defense or rebound well: Rebraca, Jbo, PMac. Note all three were starters. PMac has the most consistent offensive game and he can demonstrate some athletic tendencies at times on offense.
Joe T can’t remain in control so even though he’s athletic, quick, and tough, I’m not seeing it translate into actually making him anything but an average to sub par guard.
Josh on the other hand seems coordinated but he’s too fat to play enough minutes. He could be a fine backup 5 for 10 mins a game against other opposing centers. I’m not knocking Josh but he’s got to get in better physical shape or he can’t help Iowa much… (a bit of bulk not a bad thing and even if he’s in shape he’s the type that still has baby fat)
connor’s game isn’t particularly athletic as much as it is smart and hard nosed. Most of the time he’s fine on D but doesn’t help much on offense outside of his NBA Jam “on fire” streak this year. He’s not a better than average B1G player but he’s fine as a backup and he’s a good floor leader.
Perkins is somewhat of an enigma to me. He’s got capability but has too many games where he disappears. Then again he plays tough D and shouldn’t need to be anything but the 3rd to 4th option on offense. We’ve got room for him.
Kris and Keegan are the very definition of athletic. They’re so smooth and in control. Keegan was a once in a generation player and I hope we see Kris take a leap next year. Sandfort looks to me to be also in a similar mold of smooth and in control, plus he is fearless shooting. He blew me away as a true freshman!
I may have forgotten somebody, but I don’t think Ash or Mulvey are that athletic. Neither going to help Iowa much. Haven’t seen enough of Ulis but he’s a fine backup point guard - seems to handle the ball well, makes FTs, but otherwise I’m not sure he needs more than 5 mins a game or so.
long post is long but I’d say our most athletic players are;
Ke Murray
Kr Murray
Perkins
Sandfort
athletic enough but has a problem controlling it in one way or another:
JoeT - on roller skates
Josh - overweight
not complete players:
PMac - fine on offense but def/reb yuck
Jbo - similar
Connor - fine for backup floor leader
Rebraca - tries hard but not starting material
not enough info yet:
Ulis
Fire away
Nothing to fire away at other than you believing none of those guys are athletic. They would all dunk on anyone on this board
can’t believe I’m responding to this.
they’ve got to be able to “dunk on” other P5 teams and the occasional A-10 type.
Also, what you just tried to say is completely true for EVERY COLLEGE TEAM.
That would be true but they are not playing people on this board!
Must embrace defense. The talent Iowa has is enough if they played nasty defense.
some more athletic guards would help.
some more athletic guards would help.
We are too Caucasian and our non Caucasian players play out of control.
Recruiting and exploiting the transfer portal at Iowa for multiple sports has been a total and complete joke. Add airtight job security and these will be your repetitive results. Simple stuff.
Recruiting and exploiting the transfer portal at Iowa for multiple sports has been a total and complete joke. Add airtight job security and these will be your repetitive results. Simple stuff.
Conferences don't have their own reffs. They're all independent contractors who work multiple conferences.
The same guys that reff in the big ten games are doing ncaa tournament games.
Also Iowa did just fine without a true big in the conference so its not a necessity.
They beat Michigan, Purdue and should have beat Illinois.
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i didn’t know this… are you saying the refs we see during conference play also work other regular season games for other conferences? I don’t think that’s true is it? I mean watch any B1G game and it’s guys we always see in our games too.
I must not be understanding what you mean or I’m just an ignorant guy (probably)
There is no common theme or narrative that neatly summarizes why Iowa didn't do better the last two tournaments.
People are way to desperate to come up with "the reason".
It doesn't exist.
Theres little to nothing in common between the two games.
The only common thread is that Bohannon couldn't defend the opponents pg in either game.
People are way to desperate to come up with "the reason".
It doesn't exist.
Theres little to nothing in common between the two games.
The only common thread is that Bohannon couldn't defend the opponents pg in either game.
I've see most of the common big ten guys ( Carstenson, Green, Scirato) in the tournament.
If the same guys are doing both there is no point in talking about how the tournament is different.
Yes, they do multiple conferences.
We usually get the same guys but those same guys are also doing other conferences.
Its a ridiculous system where they essentially do whatever they want with no repercussions.
It's hard to believe its allowed with how much money can be made through gambling.
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Excellent post. I agree with it all.
DJ reffing the PUR / TX game as I type. I learned something today!
Joe Wieskamp is just too Caucasian to be good....
Middle men firms highered by the conferences are responsible for assigning reffs to games.
The ncaa supposedly has some kind of oversight of the whole thing but thats a joke like everything they do.
Its why college basketball officiating is so terrible and inconsistent.
Theres no one actually in charge.
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