‘Go it alone’ against who exactly?
We’ve been fighting other people’s wars for a century to enrich banisters and arms merchants.
Doesn’t have to be this way.
Whoever wants to **** around and find out. How the hell am I supposed to know that?
‘Go it alone’ against who exactly?
We’ve been fighting other people’s wars for a century to enrich banisters and arms merchants.
Doesn’t have to be this way.
Bet you would be a ok with European sons and daughters defending our country if called.There isn't one person on this board that would be down with sending their sons or daughters to fight and die for Latvian or Lithuanian honor. You know that, I know that, everyone on this board knows that.
So let's just be realistic about this shit. In spite of written NATO obligations, there is zero American appetite for that. And at the end of the day, that will trump everything.
There would be a Japanese flag flying over Mt. Suribachi if you'd been around in the 30s and 40s. Probably California, Oregon, and Washington, too. In your world view the US was to blame for WW2. We pushed Japan and Germany too far. They were forced into aggression by us. They were entitled to their land grabs, and enslaving others and genocide are just something Americans aren't willing to fight for.There isn't one person on this board that would be down with sending their sons or daughters to fight and die for Latvian or Lithuanian honor. You know that, I know that, everyone on this board knows that.
So let's just be realistic about this shit. In spite of written NATO obligations, there is zero American appetite for that. And at the end of the day, that will trump everything.
God knows Northern would never fight for America. He's willing to fight against it, but not for it.Bet you would be a ok with European sons and daughters defending our country if called.
What are you talking about? Isolationism and appeasement are where it's at. It worked out great last time!Our foray into isolationism won’t turn out well imo.
There isn't one person on this board that would be down with sending their sons or daughters to fight and die for Latvian or Lithuanian honor. You know that, I know that, everyone on this board knows that.
So let's just be realistic about this shit. In spite of written NATO obligations, there is zero American appetite for that. And at the end of the day, that will trump everything.
Why do you want Americans to die in European wars?
Better than the hundreds of thousands of lives we’ve lost overseas fighting other people’s wars.What are you talking about? Isolationism and appeasement are where it's at. It worked out great last time!
There isn't one person on this board that would be down with sending their sons or daughters to fight and die for Latvian or Lithuanian honor. You know that, I know that, everyone on this board knows that.
So let's just be realistic about this shit. In spite of written NATO obligations, there is zero American appetite for that. And at the end of the day, that will trump everything.
Ok Chamberlain fanboy.Better than the hundreds of thousands of lives we’ve lost overseas fighting other people’s wars.
Never mind the trillions spent not making our lives better, and the now greater than trillion dollar annual interest expense we have to show for feeding our MIC.
You are right. Probably shouldn’t defend those countries. Those folks don’t matter cause they ain’t Americans and more importantly I am sure whoever invades them will just stop there and not go any further.NATO expansion/NATO creep resulting in regional destabilization.
NATO countries not honoring financial commitments resulting in further financial burden for Americans.
Americans not wanting their sons and daughters dying in Estonia.
Why do you want Americans to die in European wars?
Can someone explain the logic behind this?
We’ve never tried isolationism.Our foray into isolationism won’t turn out well imo.
Your link shows that only 5 countries were paying their fair share while Trump was president. Even in 2024, there are 8 countries not paying their fair share. There was no lie. Trump was right. The previous link also said Trump has not said publicly that he would leave NATO. So once again, all of this is just projection from the left trying to make Trump look bad. You guys are the liars, not the other way around.The vast majority of member nations meet or exceed spending targets. Why lie?
Strong front line defenses with reliable allies reduce the chances of war. The weakness you propose only emboldens aggressors,
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/econographics/whos-at-2-percent-look-how-nato-allies-have-increased-their-defense-spending-since-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/#:~:text=In total, NATO countries now,of their GDP on defense.
It's too bad we didn't elect him 4 years ago when he still had some professionals around him. Now there will be no one to tell him no.Donald Trump has the equivalent of a 4th-6th grade education, so I will not be shocked if he attempts to abandon something that has operated with great success for 75+ years. NATO is filled with countries/leaders that won't bow to him. He hates that.
Surely all the Republican leaders in the Senate who believe in a strong national defense like Liddle Marco and Lindsey Graham will confirm the US commitment to a strong defense?
yeah i believe a bunch of countries suddenly woke up just last year to meet the 2% gdp spending target for 2024 in order to protect the nato alliance from trump (if he wins). countries include both france and germany! btw how does this work? not pay for years (decades?) and then hit the mark for just this year or did they have to catch up for the past?Your link shows that only 5 countries were paying their fair share while Trump was president. Even in 2024, there are 8 countries not paying their fair share. There was no lie. Trump was right. The previous link also said Trump has not said publicly that he would leave NATO. So once again, all of this is just projection from the left trying to make Trump look bad. You guys are the liars, not the other way around.
Do you think anyone on this board wants Americans to die in any war?
Ok Chamberlain fanboy.
There would be a Japanese flag flying over Mt. Suribachi if you'd been around in the 30s and 40s.
Probably California, Oregon, and Washington, too.
Incorrect, FDR is to blame for U.S. involvement in WW2.In your world view the US was to blame for WW2. We pushed Japan and Germany too far. They were forced into aggression by us. They were entitled to their land grabs, and enslaving others and genocide are just something Americans aren't willing to fight for.
But there isn't anyone that wants to.Whoever wants to **** around and find out. How the hell am I supposed to know that?
Donald Trump has the equivalent of a 4th-6th grade education, so I will not be shocked if he attempts to abandon something that has operated with great success for 75+ years. NATO is filled with countries/leaders that won't bow to him. He hates that.
Surely all the Republican leaders in the Senate who believe in a strong national defense like Liddle Marco and Lindsey Graham will confirm the US commitment to a strong defense?
Nobody is talking about that today. Ignore what's happening in Europe and that could change.So, no real argument for the US to go overseas and find wars for Americans to die in.
But there isn't anyone that wants to.
So we spend trillions finding windmills to tilt at and somehow justify our preposterous MIC.
Canucks are more interested in trying to win the Stanley Cup than invade Michigan.Why do you think they currently do not want to?
Canucks are more interested in trying to win the Stanley Cup than invade Michigan.