The Morning After: I'm Still Pissed

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Dude. We went 12-0 with a trip to Pasadena 2 years ago. That is not "accepting mediocrity". But I am certainly not living under delusional pretenses that you and many other trigger-happy posters on here do. Iowa will never be a national perennial. But we sure as hell can put some damn good teams on the field and win 10+ every 2-3 years, put lots of NFL-ready players in the league, and create successful men and leaders that make the world, and Iowa, a better place. I vote for that.

Thanks for everything you do Kirk and Co. Absolute badasses.

To a small extent I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you fully read what I wrote (or you have reading comprehension issues and that's another matter).

Again, my belief that a coaching change is appropriate has nothing to do with any sort of belief that Iowa can or should be a blue blood. I don't believe that and never claimed anything remotely close to that in any post. So, you're either arguing with yourself or someone else on that point.

I'm not "trigger-happy." I've had this belief, as stated many times, for 5 years now. If you've read through any of the posts this weekend, you will see none of mine express outrage or a knee-jerk response. In fact, I've laid out my reasons why people should not be surprised by the results and have encouraged fans to back off the ledge.

Since 2005, Iowa has not been winning 10+ games every 2-3 seasons. Over the last 12 seasons (not including this current one), Iowa has had a double-digit win season twice. Granted, I was never great at math, but it's pretty obvious that 2/12 does not translate to 1 every 2-3 seasons, like you falsely claim. So, if you are going to make a point to refute someone using "facts," please make sure they're accurate. Regardless, you missed my point about wins/losses entirely, so never mind.

That's great you still support Kirk and want him as head coach. Like anyone else, you're entitled to your opinion or "vote." Personally, I don't hate Kirk and appreciate the accomplishments he has had at Iowa. The fact I (and others), think it's past time for him to resign/retire doesn't change that, which is something unapologetic Kirk fans, like you, need to understand before lecturing and opining from your high horse.

 

[kceasthawk]

You know what I get a kick out of? When you called out an Iowa fan for predicting a close loss to NW in the prediction thread and scoffed at the thought that they've been a thorn in our side for years. You then used a game from 2 years ago for your "evidence". Yeah, I got a pretty good kick out of that to be honest.

Happy to make your day.........

 

[ChiHawk21]

To a small extent I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you fully read what I wrote (or you have reading comprehension issues and that's another matter).

Again, my belief that a coaching change is appropriate has nothing to do with any sort of belief that Iowa can or should be a blue blood. I don't believe that and never claimed anything remotely close to that in any post. So, you're either arguing with yourself or someone else on that point.

I'm not "trigger-happy." I've had this belief, as stated many times, for 5 years now. If you've read through any of the posts this weekend, you will see none of mine express outrage or a knee-jerk response. In fact, I've laid out my reasons why people should not be surprised by the results and have encouraged fans to back off the ledge.

Since 2005, Iowa has not been winning 10+ games every 2-3 seasons. Over the last 12 seasons (not including this current one), Iowa has had a double-digit win season twice. Granted, I was never great at math, but it's pretty obvious that 2/12 does not translate to 1 every 2-3 seasons, like you falsely claim. So, if you are going to make a point to refute someone using "facts," please make sure they're accurate. Regardless, you missed my point about wins/losses entirely, so never mind.

That's great you still support Kirk and want him as head coach. Like anyone else, you're entitled to your opinion or "vote." Personally, I don't hate Kirk and appreciate the accomplishments he has had at Iowa. The fact I (and others), think it's past time for him to resign/retire doesn't change that, which is something unapologetic Kirk fans, like you, need to understand before lecturing and opining from your high horse.

Ok, let's put it this way. What do you want the Iowa program to be? And how will it get there? Who is the coach that can do that? How about we start there before we go on firing anybody...

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

So if you want change for change sake, I highly recommend reconsidering that thought. If you show me a coach who is willing to come to Iowa with a better business plan for the program than we have today, by all means, I am in for an upgrade.

But change, just to change will very surely end up as another "Fleck-like" experiment with lame slogans, ugly uniforms, and gimmicky plays. All at the expense of an extremely successful program intended to create informed, thoughtful leaders while winning a few football games.

If you, like many Iowa fans, expect some Harbaugh-like impact on the Iowa program with a mere coaching change, think again. IOWA IS NOT MICHIGAN. We will never draw that coach, or players. Stick to who you are!!

Ok I'm done. Go Hawks!!

Too many false equivalencies in this post to address all of them.

There are many pros and cons any time you talk about making a coaching change. You are correct that not all hires work out. You conveniently ignore that there are plenty of examples of new hires that do. So that point is a wash. The same as the point made about making a "Harbaugh-like" impact. James Franklin would have been a better example, lol, but regardless, no one is claiming that is the intention of making a coaching change, so again, false equivalents do not strengthen your position.

You bring up the idea of a "business plan." Interesting concept to bring up in favor of Kirk, considering most successful business plans are predicated on innovation and looking to the future. What you are essentially saying is Kirk makes me feel comfortable and safe. If that's worth $4 million/year to you, so be it. The point is moot, anyway, because unless Ferentz resigns, he isn't going anywhere in the foreseeable future.

 

[ChiHawk21]

Too many false equivalencies in this post to address all of them.

There are many pros and cons any time you talk about making a coaching change. You are correct that not all hires work out. You conveniently ignore that there are plenty of examples of new hires that do. So that point is a wash. The same as the point made about making a "Harbaugh-like" impact. James Franklin would have been a better example, lol, but regardless, no one is claiming that is the intention of making a coaching change, so again, false equivalents do not strengthen your position.

You bring up the idea of a "business plan." Interesting concept to bring up in favor of Kirk, considering most successful business plans are predicated on innovation and looking to the future. What you are essentially saying is Kirk makes me feel comfortable and safe. If that's worth $4 million/year to you, so be it. The point is moot, anyway, because unless Ferentz resigns, he isn't going anywhere in the foreseeable future.

All right, name a coaching change in the past 10 years at a program similar to Iowa that has worked out long-term where the coach is still at that school seeing more success consistently than Kirk. And Franklin is a terrible example because PSU's program history is light years more developed than Iowa's.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Ok, let's put it this way. What do you want the Iowa program to be? And how will it get there? Who is the coach that can do that? How about we start there before we go on firing anybody...

I'm not trying to be rude. I really think, though, you are misreading or misinterpreting what I'm saying.

1) I've never made the case Ferentz needs to be fired. Nor do I believe he will. Like I said numerous times, I've been ready for a coaching change for over 5 years now. Ideally, Ferentz would have resigned. Since he keeps getting contract extensions, the point is moot.

2) My point has always been about the knee-jerk reactions fans make from one week to the next. Iowa football hasn't really changed in 10-12 years in terms of recruiting, philosophy, etc. As I've always said, Iowa will rarely blow a conference opponent out, and will rarely get blown out under Kirk. More times than not, that translates to 7-5 type seasons. Occasionally, like 2009 and 2015, when the stars align and Iowa gets the lucky bounces in close games, you will have a double-digit win season. My point is the talent, the coaching, etc. isn't much different in those seasons compared to 2013, 2014, etc.

3) Innovation, excitement, moving away from the Bo/Woody days of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Avid recruiting. Wins/losses will take care of themselves.

 

[ChiHawk21]

I'm not trying to be rude. I really think, though, you are misreading or misinterpreting what I'm saying.

1) I've never made the case Ferentz needs to be fired. Nor do I believe he will. Like I said numerous times, I've been ready for a coaching change for over 5 years now. Ideally, Ferentz would have resigned. Since he keeps getting contract extensions, the point is moot.

2) My point has always been about the knee-jerk reactions fans make from one week to the next. Iowa football hasn't really changed in 10-12 years in terms of recruiting, philosophy, etc. As I've always said, Iowa will rarely blow a conference opponent out, and will rarely get blown out under Kirk. More times than not, that translates to 7-5 type seasons. Occasionally, like 2009 and 2015, when the stars align and Iowa gets the lucky bounces in close games, you will have a double-digit win season. My point is the talent, the coaching, etc. isn't much different in those seasons compared to 2013, 2014, etc.

3) Innovation, excitement, moving away from the Bo/Woody days of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Avid recruiting. Wins/losses will take care of themselves.

You still aren't answering my questions.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

You still aren't answering my questions.

What are your specific questions?

Who that coach would be? Who knows. What success would be? Better recruiting, better system, better schemes. More excitement and innovation.

I get you're trying to trap me into saying something ridiculous like "Hire Bob Stoops and win the B1G 3/4 years and go to the CFP," but that isn't the objective or the point.

 

[relishingwinning18]

So if you want change for change sake, I highly recommend reconsidering that thought. If you show me a coach who is willing to come to Iowa with a better business plan for the program than we have today, by all means, I am in for an upgrade.

But change, just to change will very surely end up as another "Fleck-like" experiment with lame slogans, ugly uniforms, and gimmicky plays. All at the expense of an extremely successful program intended to create informed, thoughtful leaders while winning a few football games.

If you, like many Iowa fans, expect some Harbaugh-like impact on the Iowa program with a mere coaching change, think again. IOWA IS NOT MICHIGAN. We will never draw that coach, or players. Stick to who you are!!

Ok I'm done. Go Hawks!!

Crazy part about that, is that I believe Harbaugh and Hoke have the same record at this point in their careers, at Michigan.

 

[ChiHawk21]

What are your specific questions?

Who that coach would be? Who knows. What success would be? Better recruiting, better system, better schemes. More excitement and innovation.

I get you're trying to trap me into saying something ridiculous like "Hire Bob Stoops and win the B1G 3/4 years and go to the CFP," but that isn't the objective or the point.

Better is quite vague. Can you please clarify what you mean by "better recruiting", "better system", and "better schemes"? Thanks

 

[relishingwinning18]

What are your specific questions?

Who that coach would be? Who knows. What success would be? Better recruiting, better system, better schemes. More excitement and innovation.

I get you're trying to trap me into saying something ridiculous like "Hire Bob Stoops and win the B1G 3/4 years and go to the CFP," but that isn't the objective or the point.

Our recruiting has started off pretty good for next year. These new coaching hires seem to be getting it done that way so far, now give them a chance to make this team better. I'm really excited for next year, only lose Welsh, Vandy, and Wadley from the offense. Bazata and that LBers from the defense. Also, a lighter schedule again @psu, and home against Wisky loom. Losing Boettger for the year, and those injuries to Myers and Daniels have completely thrown off that OL, and without our run game, Iowa is going to struggle. Two freshman tackles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand disappointment, but let this season play out.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Better is quite vague. Can you please clarify what you mean by "better recruiting", "better system", and "better schemes"? Thanks

Iowa is at the bottom of the B1G almost every year in recruiting. I get recruiting is a crap shoot and numbers/stars aren't always spot on, but they are generally pretty accurate. I don't expect Iowa to have a Top 25 class every year, but better than below average would be nice.

A better system and schemes tie into recruiting. I know there's a lot of factors that influence a kid's decision in picking a school, but I can't help but wonder if Iowa had a more open style, pass-friendly offense would they have landed i.e. Oliver Martin or another top in-state receiver who ended up at Michigan. Debatable, but the greater point is not a lot of top skill-position players are showing a real interest in Iowa. Seems pretty evident the offensive schemes and system have a lot to do with that.

Look, I know whenever the subject of a coaching change comes up there is not only the inevitable question of "who you gonna get better?" but also the sentiment of "look at all he's done in 19 years." All of which are true and meritorious. Like I've pointed out numerous times, my position is not to start an emotionally charged "Fire Ferentz!" campaign every time they lose to an inferior opponent. I've not done that once and never will. But, since the subject came up a lot this weekend, I stated the same position I'm stating to you, knowing that the point is moot because Ferentz is locked into a long-term contract.

Yes, my position is that at some point a change is healthy for both parties. College football is a tough business, and the game is constantly changing and evolving, and some times a head coaching change is appropriate. Again, I've felt that way since 2012. It's always possible it will take one or two more hires, but at some point you have to ask: "Is this really working?" Yes, ADs are often too quick to pull the trigger to appease a fickle fan base, and end up paying for it in the long run, but at this point, as far as Iowa is concerned, there is sufficient evidence to conclude the program is in a permanent state of stagnation (and has been for several years). It's not about finding a panacea or quick fix that doesn't exist; it's about recognizing a different direction is most appropriate in respect to the long-term future of the program.

Again, the point is moot. Barta ensured a long time ago that the university will be hostage to the Ferentzes for years to come. Knowing all of this to be true, I take everything in stride and don't get too high or low with Iowa football. So, when there are a dozen people or so on this board losing their poop on Saturday, I'm simply saying: "What were you expecting?"

 

[speed4power]

During his tenure here the staple of the last several of years has been the running game. The OL (and specifically the running game) was always the strength of the team. He didn't all of a sudden forget how to coach offensive line. We have massive injuries there, which are forcing guys to play that aren't ready. Even James Daniels isn't healthy, but several of the backups are injured as well. It's having a dramatic affect on the entire offense.

If you can't tell the passing game has been completely revamped, then I can't help you.

If he lost his job here tomorrow, he'd be an NFL position coach in about 3 seconds.

Stay tuned. If you're saying the same things next year at this time, I'll start to get concerned...

I'm not saying he's a bad OC necessarily. The jury is still out on that. But there's no evidence that he's "exceptional." His recruiting has been somewhere between poor and mediocre. Our overall offensive production sucks. It's not clear that he's even remotely qualified to be a Power 5 OC, and he wouldn't be if his dad wasn't coach. Maybe with another year or two things will improve, but I'm not holding my breath especially if the recruiting continues to be poor.

 

[B1G]

The people who still want Kirk are either afraid of change or don't care about wins and losses. Simple as that.

 

[speed4power]

I don't think you having zero evidence is proof of anything. Pretty sure you don't even know what evidence to look for and if you if you stumbled upon it you wouldn't know what you were looking at.

How have Iowa recruiting classes been ranked since Brian has been here? What big time athletes was Brian the lead recruiter on ehh? How does the Iowa offense rank nationally eh? Would he have been hired by any other Power 5 program in the country as OC this year? Nah.

I'm sorry, but you have earn the right to be called an "exceptional coach."

 

[ChiHawk21]

The people who still want Kirk are either afraid of change or don't care about wins and losses. Simple as that.

Yes, I'll give up a few wins to run a respectable, ethical, program that creates leaders who do great things in the world. Unless you're Alabama you should also agree. If you don't, then please stick to Sunday's only.

 

[83Hawk]

Yes, I'll give up a few wins to run a respectable, ethical, program that creates leaders who do great things in the world. Unless you're Alabama you should also agree. If you don't, then please stick to Sunday's only.

You seem to think winning and running a clean, ethical program are mutually exclusive. They are not.

You are either a Ferentz sycophant, scared of change, satisfied with mediocrity, or a combination of the 3.

 

[ChiHawk21]

You seem to think winning and running a clean, ethical program are mutually exclusive. They are not.

You are either a Ferentz sycophant, scared of change, satisfied with mediocrity, or a combination of the 3.

Or I think, know, that Kirk is one of the top 10 all-around college football coaches in the country. Period.

If you think "all-around" is simply winning games and running a "clean" program by the definition of the NCAA, then please disregard. You will never understand.

 

[Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll]

All right, name a coaching change in the past 10 years at a program similar to Iowa that has worked out long-term where the coach is still at that school seeing more success consistently than Kirk. And Franklin is a terrible example because PSU's program history is light years more developed than Iowa's.

So admittedly you set the parameters so tight one would think it is going to be tough to find 1) one that happened in the last 10 years. 2) Similar to Iowa(this is very vague and almost guarantees to be your loop hole) 3) that has worked out long term (kinda rough beings you set the parameters of point 1) 4)You elimintaed the most obvious one. BUTTTTTTTT. HERE IS A LIST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

COACH AT WASH STATE, COACH AT TCU, COACH AT NAVY, OKY STATE, UTAH, SDSU, miss st, t tech, Washington.

I'm not 100% sure all of those were hired in the last 10 years but I believe so and thie R records I believe are all better than ours. I am not saying I want new coaches but to think we couldn't make a good hire to advance the program is a losers mentality and makes the admins job WAY to comfortable.

 

[Section8]

Threads like this are the most absurd in the forum.

People - Look at Nebraska. If you want to join the same nightmare they are in, then fire away. We are not in the sun belt, nor do we have a legacy to the likes of OSU, UM, or PSU. Stop "expecting" national championship. Its ****ing absurd and you all sound like idiots.

MSU won 2 games last season - did their fans call for D'Antonio to be fired? No

Kirk creates men. Leaders. And helps kids get an education. Kids do not come to Iowa just for the end-all of football. Most former Iowa players that did not make the big show are successful businessmen. Can Alabama say that? LSU? Louisville? NO

Kirk is our guy. And we should be damn proud to I have him.

Damn near brought tears to my eyes. "Kirk is our guy" will keep me from sleeping tonight. If BF can take over the reigns for a few years so his grand kids college can get paid for that would be AWESOME! What is Steve F doing now?

 

[sijoint]

Damn near brought tears to my eyes. "Kirk is our guy" will keep me from sleeping tonight. If BF can take over the reigns for a few years so his grand kids college can get paid for that would be AWESOME! What is Steve F doing now?

 

[MGOHAWK2]

The people who still want Kirk are either afraid of change or don't care about wins and losses. Simple as that.

Yes, I'll give up a few wins to run a respectable, ethical, program that creates leaders who do great things in the world. Unless you're Alabama you should also agree. If you don't, then please stick to Sunday's only.

Because no other University does this....give me a break.

 

[83Hawk]

Or I think, know, that Kirk is one of the top 10 all-around college football coaches in the country. Period.

If you think "all-around" is simply winning games and running a "clean" program by the definition of the NCAA, then please disregard. You will never understand.

Oh I understand perfectly......you are a Ferentz sycophant. You don’t care about wins....Iowa could lose every game but you wouldn’t care.

The fact you think there are no “all-around” coaches (whatever the heck you mean by that....please define) that could win football games at Iowa shows your complete lack of football knowledge.

We get it......you worship Kirk Ferentz and don’t care about winning football games (which, I believe, he is being paid $4m+ to do).

Bob Commings was a great “all-around” guy too. Bet you loved him.

 

[Crafty Beaver]

Just look at the b10 landscape. Over Kirks tenure we've competed admirably with Michigan and penn state, despite massive built in disadvantages. Wisconsin has had a slight upper hand... about a push with msu and nebbie. (Again, msu and wiscy have about 5 times the population base to draw from. )That leaves about 10 teams that would trade for our level of success in a heartbeat.

And i know people are going to disagree, but this thing is trending up. I'm telling you. Kirk is going to finish strong...

 

[ChiHawk21]

Just look at the b10 landscape. Over Kirks tenure we've competed admirably with Michigan and penn state, despite massive built in disadvantages. Wisconsin has had a slight upper hand... about a push with msu and nebbie. (Again, msu and wiscy have about 5 times the population base to draw from. )That leaves about 10 teams that would trade for our level of success in a heartbeat.

And i know people are going to disagree, but this thing is trending up. I'm telling you. Kirk is going to finish strong...

This.

Sorry guys, but the reality is that Iowa has built in disadvantages, and anybody who thinks schools in smaller states can compete at the same game (4* and 5* recruits), with flashy athletes (and often correspondingly low graduation rates), are terribly mistaken.

Iowa's population alone is a massive disadvantage - specifically on the "athlete" front.

We produce hard working, big boys.

Offensive Linemen - stick to who you are.

The truth is, this season our offensive line is beat up. They also are not playing well.

When Iowa wins, it's because we won in the trenches. When was the last time Iowa won on shear athleticism? Won't happen anytime soon either...regardless of who your coach is.

 

[83Hawk]

Yep, we are "just li'l ol' Iowa".....might as well just throw in the towel. Maybe we can become a MAC school.

 

[ChiHawk21]

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Yep, we are "just li'l ol' Iowa".....might as well just throw in the towel. Maybe we can become a MAC school.

We won 12 games 2 seasons ago.

 

[83Hawk]

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We won 12 games 2 seasons ago.

We won a Rose Bowl 50 years ago.

You have a defeatist attitude.

 

[Crafty Beaver]

Yep, we are "just li'l ol' Iowa".....might as well just throw in the towel. Maybe we can become a MAC school.

As it pertains to recruiting - especially black athletes from metropolitan areas - we actually are "lil ol' Iowa". Between BF revamping the passing game and the new WR coach, I predict we'll see some decent gains in this area over the next several years...

 

[ChiHawk21]

As it pertains to recruiting - especially black athletes from metropolitan areas - we actually are "lil ol' Iowa". Between BF revamping the passing game and the new WR coach, I predict we'll see some decent gains in this area over the next several years...

Nailed it

 

[David1979]

Yep, we are "just li'l ol' Iowa".....might as well just throw in the towel. Maybe we can become a MAC school.

There are realities in college sports that some fans just can't accept for whatever reason. You seem to be one of them.

 

[ChiHawk21]

We won a Rose Bowl 50 years ago.

You have a defeatist attitude.

How many National Championships has your "champion attitude" gotten you?

I can tell you that my "defeatist attitude" is the same one that put over 30 current players in NFL, and many more contributing successfully to our society in many ways beyond football. Keep this in perspective - UNIVERSITY of Iowa.

 

[83Hawk]

How many National Championships has your "champion attitude" gotten you?

I can tell you that my "defeatist attitude" is the same one that put over 30 current players in NFL, and many more contributing successfully to our society in many ways beyond football. Keep this in perspective - UNIVERSITY of Iowa.

Because everyone knows you can't POSSIBLY put out NFL players and quality human beings AND consistently win at a high level. It is IMPOSSIBLE. Just can't be done. Nope. No way.

You sir, are a tool.

How about we just drop football. And all athletics. That should make you happy.

 

[ChiHawk21]

Because everyone knows you can't POSSIBLY put out NFL players and quality human beings AND consistently win at a high level. It is IMPOSSIBLE. Just can't be done. Nope. No way.

You sir, are a tool.

How about we just drop football. And all athletics. That should make you happy.

Pretty level-headed I see.

 

[83Hawk]

Pretty level-headed I see.

Some of us expect better. You don't care. That's fine.

 

[ChiHawk21]

Some of us expect better. You don't care. That's fine.

Just trying to understand what makes you expect better. I also don't quite understand what you mean by "better". If your definition of success is simply wins, then I agree, let's end this conversation now.

 

[Crafty Beaver]

83 reminds me a bunch of Nebraska fans. They just expect to be able to gnash their teeth a bunch & will themselves to an elite program.

In so doing, they win about the same amount of games as us (and I suspect fewer over the next 5 years) go through coaches like it's going out of style, have coaches & players that consistently reflect poorly on the program & generally look like retards in the process.

 

[relishingwinning18]

Some of us expect better. You don't care. That's fine.

Expect better and throw a fit on a message board as an anonymous douche. You are awesome.

 

[relishingwinning18]

So admittedly you set the parameters so tight one would think it is going to be tough to find 1) one that happened in the last 10 years. 2) Similar to Iowa(this is very vague and almost guarantees to be your loop hole) 3) that has worked out long term (kinda rough beings you set the parameters of point 1) 4)You elimintaed the most obvious one. BUTTTTTTTT. HERE IS A LIST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

COACH AT WASH STATE, COACH AT TCU, COACH AT NAVY, OKY STATE, UTAH, SDSU, miss st, t tech, Washington.

I'm not 100% sure all of those were hired in the last 10 years but I believe so and thie R records I believe are all better than ours. I am not saying I want new coaches but to think we couldn't make a good hire to advance the program is a losers mentality and makes the admins job WAY to comfortable.

The top of your head is struggling.

WASH STATE - fired from Tech because of abuse to players. He has gone 3-9, 6-7, 3-9, 9-4, 8-5, 7-1. 36-35 as head coach at WSU, KF 43-29 during the same time period.

TCU - Patterson has been there 17 years. Very good coach. Very different climate for recruiting, and gets paid more than KF.

NAVY - is this even f****** serious? They play in the American conference. 82-44 as head coach IN THE AMERICAN CONFERENCE, KF 76-46 coaching in the BIG TEN during the same time period.

OKY STATE going on his 13th year. Very different climate for recruiting.

UTAH - Since joining the pac 12: 8-5, 5-7, 5-7, 9-4(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 10-3(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 9-4(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 4-3. 50-31 record in the pac 12, KF 50-35 during the same time period

SDSU - they play in the mountain west, come on. 60-28 career record playing in the MOUNTAIN WEST.

miss st - Went 6-7 last year! Career record 66-44. Kirk Ferentz's record in same time frame 69-42.

t tech - Kingsbury career record is 25-26, WTF.

Washington - 33-15 at Washington, Chris Peterson is a stud, KF record during that time frame, 31-16.

 

[ChiHawk21]

The top of your head is struggling.

WASH STATE - fired from Tech because of abuse to players. He has gone 3-9, 6-7, 3-9, 9-4, 8-5, 7-1. 36-35 as head coach at WSU, KF 43-29 during the same time period.

TCU - Patterson has been there 17 years. Very good coach. Very different climate for recruiting, and gets paid more than KF.

NAVY - is this even f****** serious? They play in the American conference. 82-44 as head coach IN THE AMERICAN CONFERENCE, KF 76-46 coaching in the BIG TEN during the same time period.

OKY STATE going on his 13th year. Very different climate for recruiting.

UTAH - Since joining the pac 12: 8-5, 5-7, 5-7, 9-4(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 10-3(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 9-4(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 4-3. 50-31 record in the pac 12, KF 50-35 during the same time period

SDSU - they play in the mountain west, come on. 60-28 career record playing in the MOUNTAIN WEST.

miss st - Went 6-7 last year! Career record 66-44. Kirk Ferentz's record in same time frame 69-42.

t tech - Kingsbury career record is 25-26, WTF.

Washington - 33-15 at Washington, Chris Peterson is a stud, KF record during that time frame, 31-16.

Grass is always greener until it's your lawn!