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The Morning After: I'm Still Pissed

The top of your head is struggling.

WASH STATE - fired from Tech because of abuse to players. (Relevancy?) He has gone 3-9, 6-7, 3-9, 9-4, 8-5, 7-1. 36-35 as head coach at WSU, KF 43-29 during the same time period. (You are looking at a guy building a program from ashes how would these numbers compare to KF's first 6 years? I think he would be ahead thus proving there are viable replacement options)

TCU - Patterson has been there 17 years. Very good coach. Very different climate for recruiting, and gets paid more than KF. (Time flies, TCU was a joke when he got there)

NAVY - is this even f****** serious? ( this is a good reference my point about yohr loop hole on "not like iowa" this was always going tonbe your failsafe but yes they are a valid comparable because they dont recruit like a blue blood) They play in the American conference. 82-44 as head coach IN THE AMERICAN CONFERENCE, KF 76-46 coaching in the BIG TEN during the same time period.

OKY STATE going on his 13th year. Very different climate for recruiting. (3 years off they are 2nd fiddle in thier own state and had 0 identity when thier coach arrived)

UTAH - Since joining the pac 12: 8-5, 5-7, 5-7, 9-4(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 10-3(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 9-4(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 4-3. 50-31 record in the pac 12, KF 50-35 during the same time period(You are willing to acknowledge here is also a coaching showing it can be done?)

SDSU - they play in the mountain west, come on. 60-28 career record playing in the MOUNTAIN WEST.( Again that #2 was going to be your failsafe. This guy is about 4th or 5th down the list of where kids want to play in California)

miss st - Went 6-7 last year! Career record 66-44. Kirk Ferentz's record in same time frame 69-42. (In the SEC they were garbage when he got there and look at his start compared to kirks)

t tech - Kingsbury career record is 25-26, WTF. (I thought they were higher, meh, again zero resources were used.)

Washington - 33-15 at Washington, Chris Peterson is a stud, KF record during that time frame, 31-16.(there are other "studs" who could coach at Iowa)

Again these were teams I listed off the top of my head in about 2 minutes with 0 research. I am not saying anyone needs to go anywhere but the idea we could not get an equal to or greater than replacement is false.
 
To a small extent I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you fully read what I wrote (or you have reading comprehension issues and that's another matter).

Again, my belief that a coaching change is appropriate has nothing to do with any sort of belief that Iowa can or should be a blue blood. I don't believe that and never claimed anything remotely close to that in any post. So, you're either arguing with yourself or someone else on that point.

I'm not "trigger-happy." I've had this belief, as stated many times, for 5 years now. If you've read through any of the posts this weekend, you will see none of mine express outrage or a knee-jerk response. In fact, I've laid out my reasons why people should not be surprised by the results and have encouraged fans to back off the ledge.

Since 2005, Iowa has not been winning 10+ games every 2-3 seasons. Over the last 12 seasons (not including this current one), Iowa has had a double-digit win season twice. Granted, I was never great at math, but it's pretty obvious that 2/12 does not translate to 1 every 2-3 seasons, like you falsely claim. So, if you are going to make a point to refute someone using "facts," please make sure they're accurate. Regardless, you missed my point about wins/losses entirely, so never mind.

That's great you still support Kirk and want him as head coach. Like anyone else, you're entitled to your opinion or "vote." Personally, I don't hate Kirk and appreciate the accomplishments he has had at Iowa. The fact I (and others), think it's past time for him to resign/retire doesn't change that, which is something unapologetic Kirk fans, like you, need to understand before lecturing and opining from your high horse.

You can continue to make well thought out, logical, reasoned statements and they will continue to go absolutely nowhere with a significant portion of the posters here.

FWIW, I hold essentially the same position you do.

As with much of the rest of our society currently, there is a lack of ability to hold and accept a nuanced position. It is reasonable and rational to appreciate what the man has done to this point and yet still think that a change is overdue. That doesn't make you or me a hater. Nor does it make those that don't want a change ignorant sycophants. The good news for those not wanting a change is that the odds are highly in their favor of keeping the status quo.
 
The top of your head is struggling.

WASH STATE - fired from Tech because of abuse to players. (Relevancy?) He has gone 3-9, 6-7, 3-9, 9-4, 8-5, 7-1. 36-35 as head coach at WSU, KF 43-29 during the same time period. (You are looking at a guy building a program from ashes how would these numbers compare to KF's first 6 years? I think he would be ahead thus proving there are viable replacement options)

TCU - Patterson has been there 17 years. Very good coach. Very different climate for recruiting, and gets paid more than KF. (Time flies, TCU was a joke when he got there)

NAVY - is this even f****** serious? ( this is a good reference my point about yohr loop hole on "not like iowa" this was always going tonbe your failsafe but yes they are a valid comparable because they dont recruit like a blue blood) They play in the American conference. 82-44 as head coach IN THE AMERICAN CONFERENCE, KF 76-46 coaching in the BIG TEN during the same time period.

OKY STATE going on his 13th year. Very different climate for recruiting. (3 years off they are 2nd fiddle in thier own state and had 0 identity when thier coach arrived)

UTAH - Since joining the pac 12: 8-5, 5-7, 5-7, 9-4(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 10-3(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 9-4(extra win playing in garbage bowl), 4-3. 50-31 record in the pac 12, KF 50-35 during the same time period(You are willing to acknowledge here is also a coaching showing it can be done?)

SDSU - they play in the mountain west, come on. 60-28 career record playing in the MOUNTAIN WEST.( Again that #2 was going to be your failsafe. This guy is about 4th or 5th down the list of where kids want to play in California)

miss st - Went 6-7 last year! Career record 66-44. Kirk Ferentz's record in same time frame 69-42. (In the SEC they were garbage when he got there and look at his start compared to kirks)

t tech - Kingsbury career record is 25-26, WTF. (I thought they were higher, meh, again zero resources were used.)

Washington - 33-15 at Washington, Chris Peterson is a stud, KF record during that time frame, 31-16.(there are other "studs" who could coach at Iowa)

Again these were teams I listed off the top of my head in about 2 minutes with 0 research. I am not saying anyone needs to go anywhere but the idea we could not get an equal to or greater than replacement is false.
No, nowhere in there did you make a valid point. You actually helped the argument against you, and I didn’t make the original argument against you that was someone else.
 
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I made the original argument and criteria, however, I would love your perspective of which areas of the criteria are not relevant when it comes to qualifying a candidate vs Kirk Ferentz.

The point is, change just for change sake more often than not, leaves a program worse off searching for another "savior" in 3-5 years. Case in point - Nebraska.

Look, making a coaching change like many of you are proposing, Iowa would have a better likelihood of becoming what Mizzou has become to the SEC, than becoming what OSU, PSU, or UM are to the B1G. That I can guarantee.

However, if you have a proven candidate in mind that can build a PROGRAM (not gimmicky plays and lame slogans), then I'm all in. Bringing in a young coach from a smaller school/conference just to make a change has a very high probability of leaving the program in a MUCH WORSE situation than we are in today with Kirk. And leave fans like you begging for return of the Ferentz's.
 
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When the guy has been here longer than any other coach in the industry, and has a slightly better than a coin flip win percentage, it isn't "change for changes sake." There is going to be a new coach at Iowa someday soon. If they succeed, great, if they don't they will be fired and we will get a next coach. There is a reason you don't see alot of 20 year coaches in today's "what have you done for me lately enviroment." Comfort builds complacency and KF is very comfortable. Again, you made the variables so tight there were not going to be alot of options yet I was able to provide a hand full off the top of my head. You dismissed them for reasons I pointed out while assesing the variables. I provided you with a list maybe either of you would be so kind as to help.me out with this, open book use the internet. Name a coach that has been with a program greater than 15 years, that coached during the 2000's, that has not won a national championship? I don't know the answer to this, there may be several, but I doubt it because most people would have realized it's a business.
 
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When the guy has been here longer than any other coach in the industry, and has a slightly better than a coin flip win percentage, it isn't "change for changes sake. There is going to be a new coach at Iowa someday soon. If they succeed, great, if they don't they will be fired and we will get a next coach. There is a reason you don't see alot of 20 year coaches in today's "what have you done for me lately enviroment. Comfort builds complacency and KF is very comfortable. Again, you made the variables so tight there were not going to be alot of options yet I was able to provide a hand full off the top of my head. You dismissed them for reasons I pointed out while assesing the variables. I provided you with a list maybe either of you would be so kind as to help.me out with this, open book use the internet. Name a coach that has been with a program greater than 15 years, that coached during the 2000's, that has not won a national championship? I don't know the answer to this, there may be several, but I doubt it because most people would have realized it's a business.

Let's go with 10 years considering there are less than 5 coaches over 15 years...Off the top of my head, Patterson at TCU (13 years), d'antonio at MSU, Fitzgerald at NW, Gundy at OK St, Solich @ Ohio, Whittingham @ Utah. Enough?
 
You proved my point in your first sentence. There is a reason for that. If your going to change variables to allow for responses care if I change some of your criteria?

" All right, name a coaching change in the past 10 (take this one out and there is a bunch) years at a program similar to Iowa(again) that has worked out long-term(again) where the coach is still at that school(again) seeing more success(again) consistently(again) than Kirk. And Franklin is a terrible example because PSU's program history is light years more developed than Iowa's.
 
You proved my point in your first sentence. There is a reason for that. If your going to change variables to allow for responses care if I change some of your criteria?

" All right, name a coaching change in the past 10 (take this one out and there is a bunch) years at a program similar to Iowa(again) that has worked out long-term(again) where the coach is still at that school(again) seeing more success(again) consistently(again) than Kirk. And Franklin is a terrible example because PSU's program history is light years more developed than Iowa's.

MSU, Ok St, NW, TCU, Utah
 
Thank you for resubmitting your response. Again, I will ask, like you can I change the parameters to make more people fit the discussion?

Sure, as long as your parameters cover all of the pre-reqs to qualify a candidate over Kirk. That means P5, consistent track record of success (can't remember the last 4 win season Iowa has had), includes major bowl appearances, and proven morals. Otherwise, you're just proposing that we take a shot in the dark and hope whoever we hire doesn't leave us in the same situation Nebraska and Missouri are in.

Good luck. :)
 
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