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Pretty much feels like Georgia is going to go Trump. Which basically means Harris can afford to lose either Arizona or Wisconsin and still have a path, but can't lose both. I think Pennsylvania shifts to Kamala.
PA margins would be by thousands of votes if that happens she's way down. The Hispanic vote voted against themselves.
 
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Got it, FDR's well-known eagerness to exert American power in a massive brewing world conflict leads you to the conclusion that we should have shrugged off Pearl Harbor and sat idly by as a racist,

Without FDR's policies Pearl Harbor doesn't happen. The attack was deliberately provoked. Not justified. Provoked.
Let the Japanese drown trying to conquer China.

expansionist, fascist empire conquered Europe with clear machinations for Central and South America.

Let the fascists fight the communists. We didn't have to step into it.
The Germans lacked the means to cross the Channel, I'm not going to entertain fantasies where they're invading South America. That's crazy talk.

How could that have possibly affected US citizens at home? Not our soil, not our problem? Until it is. Is there any justified use of American authority outside it's borders in your view, or are you just committed to the anti-neocon bit?
I just fully concur with Washington and John Quincy Adams' view of our role in the world:

https://jqas.org/jqas-monsters-to-destroy-speech-full-text/

And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world; the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful cars, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when the conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence, has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign Independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brow would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of Freedom and Independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an Imperial Diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.

...Her glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of mind. She has a spear and a shield, but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.



Genuinely I ask, but never is it answered:
What have the neocons won for us besides the Patriot Act, thousands dead, trillions in debt and countless other indignities at home for their decades of war abroad to 'fix' the world with bombs and bullets?

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Anyone else legitimately sad for the women in their life? Such a let down. Yes I know things will be fine in the long run. But damn what a slap in the face
They’re ok. A lot of them voted for Trump. Apparently, they’re not into pity. They’re ok with making sure he pulls out, as long as shampoo and granola gets a little cheaper.
 
I remember the beginning of this thread how confident some of you were. Get out of the bubble. Oh and I am here for the tears.

well that is the story? Why are the dems losing minorities?
Rs have spent decades trying to court minorities. The best you can do is 30%? That's pitifully low when you think about it.
 
Georgia flips. Still possible with so many Detroit and Philly votes, but looking bad for Harris. We have always said over and over: we are a dumb country.
 
You brought a lot of this on yourself. You can't slam Trump and what seems to be the majority of the voters and then play a victim when your candidate loses.

Is this a real post? Republicans, and Trump, spew hate constantly and have for as long as I can remember. Then they turn around and demand to be treated with civility and and cry bigly tears when that doesn’t happen.
 
She has to win out and she very much could lose 3 of them.

**** you Pennsylvania vote counting rules. **** you
 
You mean give my opinion a rest because it differs from yours? I like you too, but you guys get sensitive when you don't get your way. What I said is 100% accurate.
Yes, you defending rape is accurate. Are you even listening to yourself? Trump violently raped a woman. Us pointing this rape out is an us problem and not a Trump problem? Explain how that makes any sense.
 
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The Hispanic vote voted against themselves.

🤣🤣🤣 This is always a winning strategy.

Definitely worked when the white working class started moving Republican 25 years ago.

Just say they're too stupid to know what's good for them, and do absolutely nothing to reverse it. It worked out really well, how are they doing with the white working class tonight?
 
🤣🤣🤣 This is always a winning strategy.

Definitely worked when the white working class started moving Republican 25 years ago.

Just say they're too stupid to know what's good for them, and do absolutely nothing to reverse it. It worked out really well, how are they doing with the white working class tonight?
They will still get almost all the trans vote
 
Yes, you defending rape is accurate. Are you even listening to yourself? Trump violently raped a woman. Us pointing this rape out is an us problem and not a Trump problem? Explain how that makes any sense.
Again you're delusional. Please post where I defended rape? Give me a fing break!!
 
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