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The Ohio State Diet That Cooked the Ducks

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I find this to be a prime example of a championship calibre football program. Whether it worked or not we don't know, but it shows that the program was willing and able to:

1. prepare for all facets of the game
2. understand the opponent
3. buy-in from all asst. coaches and players to pull this off
4. attention to detail (not just hey let's lose weight, but everyone also had an individual goal)
5. sense of urgency (i.e., willing to adapt even with such little time to prepare)
5. not afraid to try new things to gain any sort of edge (mental or physical)

Thoughts?

This post was edited on 1/15 8:33 AM by TorontoHawk

The Ohio State Diet That Cooked the Ducks
 
Coach Urban Meyer is the Master Motivator and
that is how the Buckeyes smacked the quack.
 
I still say "football speed" is not really the same as stopwatch speed. In that context, I don't think the vaunted SEC speed or Oregon speed or the Pac 12 speed really is drastically faster than Big 10 speed when you're talking on a football field in a game.

A team that executes better looks like they are faster when they are actually more sure of their overall movements and therefore their decision-making is faster, thereby appearing physically faster than the other team.
 
Originally posted by bagdropper:

I still say "football speed" is not really the same as stopwatch speed. In that context, I don't think the vaunted SEC speed or Oregon speed or the Pac 12 speed really is drastically faster than Big 10 speed when you're talking on a football field in a game.

A team that executes better looks like they are faster when they are actually more sure of their overall movements and therefore their decision-making is faster, thereby appearing physically faster than the other team.
I believe speed is very important. The problem with Oregon is that they don't have speed. Sure, they have offensive personnel groupings of RBs and little slot WRs who can fly, but that's not true speed. True speed is the speed of your defensive front 7. That is what separates Alabama, LSU, MSU, Ohio State, and several other SEC schools from their peers. Good DL and LBs who can run are rare, whereas fast slot guys are a dime a dozen.
 
Originally posted by MateenCleaves:


Originally posted by bagdropper:

I still say "football speed" is not really the same as stopwatch speed. In that context, I don't think the vaunted SEC speed or Oregon speed or the Pac 12 speed really is drastically faster than Big 10 speed when you're talking on a football field in a game.

A team that executes better looks like they are faster when they are actually more sure of their overall movements and therefore their decision-making is faster, thereby appearing physically faster than the other team.
I believe speed is very important. The problem with Oregon is that they don't have speed. Sure, they have offensive personnel groupings of RBs and little slot WRs who can fly, but that's not true speed. True speed is the speed of your defensive front 7. That is what separates Alabama, LSU, MSU, Ohio State, and several other SEC schools from their peers. Good DL and LBs who can run are rare, whereas fast slot guys are a dime a dozen.
Defensive front 7 speed is important, but you've run off the rails when you poo-poo WR and RB speed. Oregon scored hundreds of points this year off of quick drives, eating yardage in huge chunks. They have lightning quick offensive skilled players and most defenses cannot deal with that. By the way, did you notice that Oregon's D was fast enough to shut down FSU's offense and beat all whole PAC 12 foes except for the 1st game w/ Arizona?
 
Originally posted by 93hawkeye:

Originally posted by MateenCleaves:



Originally posted by bagdropper:

I still say "football speed" is not really the same as stopwatch speed. In that context, I don't think the vaunted SEC speed or Oregon speed or the Pac 12 speed really is drastically faster than Big 10 speed when you're talking on a football field in a game.

A team that executes better looks like they are faster when they are actually more sure of their overall movements and therefore their decision-making is faster, thereby appearing physically faster than the other team.
I believe speed is very important. The problem with Oregon is that they don't have speed. Sure, they have offensive personnel groupings of RBs and little slot WRs who can fly, but that's not true speed. True speed is the speed of your defensive front 7. That is what separates Alabama, LSU, MSU, Ohio State, and several other SEC schools from their peers. Good DL and LBs who can run are rare, whereas fast slot guys are a dime a dozen.
Defensive front 7 speed is important, but you've run off the rails when you poo-poo WR and RB speed. Oregon scored hundreds of points this year off of quick drives, eating yardage in huge chunks. They have lightning quick offensive skilled players and most defenses cannot deal with that. By the way, did you notice that Oregon's D was fast enough to shut down FSU's offense and beat all whole PAC 12 foes except for the 1st game w/ Arizona?
Oregon appears uber-fast because of the speed they call their plays at. But they really aren't "football faster" than most their opponents. The speed of play calling play to play combined with great execution of their scheme tires their opponents out, giving the appearance of the other team being in slow motion by comparison.

Oregon IS faster than just about every team they play, but the difference isn't as great pure speed wise as we might think. And they look downright pedestrian when a better football team outplays them.

I'm not saying speed isn't important. I'm saying the perceived gap of Iowa versus better teams - and the B10 in general vs the SEC/Pac12/B12 et al is not the gulf people here and nationwide state.

Look at it this way. How did OSU beat Oregon? It surely wasn't because their roster top to bottom that played was as fast, or faster, than Oregon. They did not beat Oregon at their own game. They beat Oregon by playing THEIR game. It was because they were better football players. Once Oregon players knew they couldn't out-scheme OSU like they do almost always to everybody they play, they basically folded their tents.

I bet you could take say a team like Georgia Tech, ramp up the wishbone to where they're running plays every 20 seconds, and over the course of most their games where they have the better football players...the effect on the opposition would be just the same as what Oregon does to most their opponents.

Is GT a fast team? I don't think I've ever heard them referred to as such.

Speed is just one piece of the puzzle folks. In the end, if you hang your hat solely on speed, you better damn well have great football players if you want to win national championships. This is why I have stated in multiple threads about subjects like this...blocking, tackling, fundamentals, football intelligence, conditioning, practice habits...players have to have these too.

I'll leave with this...ever wonder how teams suddenly "flick the switch" offensively when they go no-huddle that normally don't?
 
Originally posted by bagdropper:

I still say "football speed" is not really the same as stopwatch speed. In that context, I don't think the vaunted SEC speed or Oregon speed or the Pac 12 speed really is drastically faster than Big 10 speed when you're talking on a football field in a game.

A team that executes better looks like they are faster when they are actually more sure of their overall movements and therefore their decision-making is faster, thereby appearing physically faster than the other team.
Agree. Now Tenn vs Iowa was a " team speed" difference. At the upper level of the conferences (OSU) it is pretty even as it is not just one or two players with speed - but the entire nucleus.
 
This is the goofiest thing I've ever heard. If Oregon would have been able to move the ball against the Ohio St defense their tongs would have been hanging out like everyone else. Lets face it OSU was better and Oregon couldn't move the ball.
 
Originally posted by 93hawkeye:
Originally posted by MateenCleaves:


Originally posted by bagdropper:

I still say "football speed" is not really the same as stopwatch speed. In that context, I don't think the vaunted SEC speed or Oregon speed or the Pac 12 speed really is drastically faster than Big 10 speed when you're talking on a football field in a game.

A team that executes better looks like they are faster when they are actually more sure of their overall movements and therefore their decision-making is faster, thereby appearing physically faster than the other team.
I believe speed is very important. The problem with Oregon is that they don't have speed. Sure, they have offensive personnel groupings of RBs and little slot WRs who can fly, but that's not true speed. True speed is the speed of your defensive front 7. That is what separates Alabama, LSU, MSU, Ohio State, and several other SEC schools from their peers. Good DL and LBs who can run are rare, whereas fast slot guys are a dime a dozen.
Defensive front 7 speed is important, but you've run off the rails when you poo-poo WR and RB speed. Oregon scored hundreds of points this year off of quick drives, eating yardage in huge chunks. They have lightning quick offensive skilled players and most defenses cannot deal with that. By the way, did you notice that Oregon's D was fast enough to shut down FSU's offense and beat all whole PAC 12 foes except for the 1st game w/ Arizona?
I don't buy the whole "OSU had more speed than Oregon" argument, that some people are using. It wasn't OSU's speed that dazzled me but the power, with the speed, that was impressive. There was one play where the OSU QB knocked a Oregon LB or DL back 3 yards. OSU RB just shed off tacklers like he was playing high school kids. I'm not sure OSU was faster tha Oregon, but they were a helluva lot stronger and physical.
 
Originally posted by illhawkdvv:

This is the goofiest thing I've ever heard. If Oregon would have been able to move the ball against the Ohio St defense their tongs would have been hanging out like everyone else. Lets face it OSU was better and Oregon couldn't move the ball.
i think its simple- UM has recruited better players. O$U had more talent and depth first and foremost. Couple that with UM being a beast of a coach and had a few extra days to prepare and you get the results. score could have been much more lopsided.
 
Originally posted by DrVenkman:
i think its simple- UM has recruited better players. O$U had more talent and depth first and foremost. Couple that with UM being a beast of a coach and had a few extra days to prepare and you get the results. score should have been much more lopsided.
FIFY

Without the 4 OSU turnovers, Oregon wouldn't have been able to get within a score in the 2nd half.
 
Originally posted by LuteHawk:

Coach Urban Meyer is the Master Motivator and
that is how the Buckeyes smacked the quack.
I believe that. And that's why he's won everywhere he's been. That and his coaching abilities.
 
It's been said many times the difference between the top team's so called SEC speed and other conferences top teams isn't speed at the skilled positions. It is the combination of speed, size, and power, among offensive and defensive linemen, and to some extent linebackers.

Meyer said when he came to OSU that his first priority was to find athletic lineman with size.

Team speed is only as fast as it's slowest unit. Fast skilled and perimeter players and slow along the trenches isn't a fact team.

When OSU lost to Urban Meyer led Florida in 2006, that was the difference. That was also the difference between OSU led Urban Meyer and the Big 10, as well as in the playoffs.
 
To me, this strategy screams Hayden Fry, who was a master of psychological ploys like this. Does not matter if it made the OSU players faster, but it planted the seed in their minds that they would be faster. Meyer believes in seeking every edge, mental and physical. Hayden was the same way. KF does not believe in even a bit of smoke and mirrors, it seems. Wish he had majored in psychology like Hayden.
 
I find this to be a prime example of a championship calibre football program. Whether it worked or not we don't know, but it shows that the program was willing and able to:

1. prepare for all facets of the game
2. understand the opponent
3. buy-in from all asst. coaches and players to pull this off
4. attention to detail (not just hey let's lose weight, but everyone also had an individual goal)
5. sense of urgency (i.e., willing to adapt even with such little time to prepare)
5. not afraid to try new things to gain any sort of edge (mental or physical)

Thoughts?

This post was edited on 1/15 8:33 AM by TorontoHawk

The Ohio State Diet That Cooked the Ducks
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