The Play That Changed the Game (IMO)

[NorthDSMHawk]

Game is over, and Iowa luckily came out on top, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if this PI was properly called. Talk about a momentum killer, what a joke. I think Iowa wins comfortably (17pts +) had we gotten the ball on the 2 and punched it in.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Game is over, and Iowa luckily came out on top, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if this PI was properly called. Talk about a momentum killer, what a joke. I think Iowa wins comfortably (17pts +) had we gotten the ball on the 2 and punched it in.

Thats bad. First Ive seen the replay

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

I was so angry at that play. Wife was worried.

 

[Carolina Hawk]

That is a bad no call, db didn`t look back at the ball just hit Fant well before the ball got there. Couple of the spots were terrible as well. Both terrible spots were in the clowns favor.

 

[SHAWKER]

It is plays like this that leave you angered when they decide to call pass interference on ticky tack plays. Luckily this play did not matter in the end

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

I think both sides got away with one uncalled PI on Saturday.

Of course, the no call on Fant was worse because it was a uncalled foul on Iowa State ...

 

[Carolina Hawk]

I also believe the crappy refs missed a PI on Iowa as well.

 

[oldhawk56]

Game is over, and Iowa luckily came out on top, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if this PI was properly called. Talk about a momentum killer, what a joke. I think Iowa wins comfortably (17pts +) had we gotten the ball on the 2 and punched it in.

Why did fant jump?

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

And, of course, this one occurred in the end zone...and the DB does appear to grab Fant's facemask. But, oh well.... When you miss spotting the ball by a yard or two on multiple occasions, it's a lot to ask for a ref to recognize a mugging in the end zone.

 

[funnyfletcher]

Ojemudia got away with a PI, too. I think it was later in the game.

 

[MitchL]

Put it this way... the officials weren't very good!

 

[Douglas C. Neidermeyer]

If Stanley threw the ball deeper, it would've sold the PI more effectively.....or heck, Fant may have had a chance to catch it.

 

[herkilicious]

Why did fant jump?

My guess would be to have leverage to reach over the defender. Staying on the ground would make it harder to get around the defender.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Ojemudia got away with a PI, too. I think it was later in the game.

Nope. Ours guys do not commit penalties and if they are flagged for one then the refs should be fired immediately.

I am mostly being serious.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

I also believe the crappy refs missed a PI on Iowa as well.

Ojemudia got away with a PI, too. I think it was later in the game.

I guess I should have been more specific. I wasn’t trying to say they were out to get Iowa or that the calls were one-sided. I think most of us can agree they just sucked in general. I was just pointing out that this early in the game, the missed call was huge and most likely cost us 7pts.

I definitely think OJ probably got away with one, but it wasn’t near as blatant as this, wasn’t in the end zone, and was late in the game with ISU down 10 and not threatening for the most part. Again, just IMO.

 

[cohawk]

Game is over, and Iowa luckily came out on top, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if this PI was properly called. Talk about a momentum killer, what a joke. I think Iowa wins comfortably (17pts +) had we gotten the ball on the 2 and punched it in.

The worst part was listening to the announcer say it was good defense. Yes it's great if you get away with it bu that was a penalty not good defense.

 

[GunnerHawk]

Game is over, and Iowa luckily came out on top, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if this PI was properly called. Talk about a momentum killer, what a joke. I think Iowa wins comfortably (17pts +) had we gotten the ball on the 2 and punched it in.

Remember they were Big 12 refs. We got hosed on several spots, fortunately the call on Hockensen's catch got changed for a first down.
Allen's catch was a yard short of the line to gain and they gave it to him without a review.

 

[Carolina Hawk]

Remember they were Big 12 refs. We got hosed on several spots, fortunately the call on Hockensen's catch got changed for a first down.
Allen's catch was a yard short of the line to gain and they gave it to him without a review.

Those are the 2 I was talking about. Both in their favor. Both clearly wrong. Lucky for the review.

 

[BubsFinn]

At every level of football, that's pass interference. Still can't believe those numbnuts in the booth called it solid defense.

 

[spiderland]

I was so angry at that play. Wife was worried.

Pic of wife?

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Come on, guys. The refs took the game away from ISU. Proof is all over the fanatic.

 

[Gonzo Bloor]

That CB got abused a lot. I think it was Payne? Got away with a PI there, then was burned by Smith on the long pass and Sargent ran through him the very next play for the TD. And apparently he's all Big 12. Funny.

 

[FranklinHawk]

If Stanley threw the ball deeper, it would've sold the PI more effectively.....or heck, Fant may have had a chance to catch it.

Agreed. It certainly may have been PI, but if that ball is thrown higher Fant has a shot to grab it (or make the PI call a no brainer).

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Dang — in replay, it’s even more obvious than it looked in person. Now that I get a better look at it, that’s a no-brainer. And I do think it would have changed the course of the game in our favor.

Another huge play that went our way and affected the game in a big way — the false start that put the ball outside the 5 on ISU’s first drive. Huge lift for us and a brutal kick in the nuts for ISU. With the ball inside the 1, a sneak likely would have scored there.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

The worst part was listening to the announcer say it was good defense. Yes it's great if you get away with it bu that was a penalty not good defense.

I’m looking at his elbow. It’s down short of the line of gain.

But it’s the ball that counts!

I’m looking at what I see and his elbow is down!

JFC Spencer.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

What one was the OJ pass interference?

The only one I can think of was the tipped ball at the line so PI was irrelevant.

For the Fant play, I saw a few messages about the corner not turning back for the ball. In college, you do not have to turn your head like the NFL. However, it was still an obvious PI because he was there early.

 

[SLarew]

What one was the OJ pass interference?

The only one I can think of was the tipped ball at the line so PI was irrelevant.

For the Fant play, I saw a few messages about the corner not turning back for the ball. In college, you do not have to turn your head like the NFL. However, it was still an obvious PI because he was there early.

It was later if 4th quarter on long pass. OJ definitely hit helmet of guy and have seen it called more often than not

 

[rufus-hawk]

I think both sides got away with one uncalled PI on Saturday.

Of course, the no call on Fant was worse because it was a uncalled foul on Iowa State ...

And because it was in the end zone. Might also have changed the whole shape of the game as OP suggests, but there is no way to really know that.

 

[td77]

If Stanley threw the ball deeper, it would've sold the PI more effectively.....or heck, Fant may have had a chance to catch it.

Or thrown it earlier for a TD.

 

[KuwaitHawk]

Put it this way... the officials weren't very good!

Real refs of genius?

 

[pacnorthhawkeye]

Why did fant jump?

To make a play on the ball or sell the PI?

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

It was later if 4th quarter on long pass. OJ definitely hit helmet of guy and have seen it called more often than not

OJ was there a little early ... but it was also a bit of a bang-bang play. Also, he was at least also trying to play the ball. In the case of the play against Fant, the guy never turned around AND he was there even earlier! Given that the ball hit the guy in the back ... it was pretty clearly an egregious PI situation. Had it occurred a few years ago against Mabin ... I'm certain it would have been called. Mabin got caught in those situations all the time ... and he'd get called nearly every time.

 

[Ree4]

Ojemudia got away with a PI, too. I think it was later in the game.

At least OJ was looking back for the ball so a much better non call

 

[BioHawk]

What's worse is that is the play I've seen highlighted as Stanley not playing well. Now, there's plenty of evidence to show that, but don't use the play where the receiver was tackled before the ball got there and no penalty was called.

 

[Carolina Hawk]

I’m looking at his elbow. It’s down short of the line of gain.

But it’s the ball that counts!

I’m looking at what I see and his elbow is down!

JFC Spencer.

He is such a moron and he could just not admit he was wrong. It was an obvious first down.

 

[Lone Clone]

Game is over, and Iowa luckily came out on top, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if this PI was properly called. Talk about a momentum killer, what a joke. I think Iowa wins comfortably (17pts +) had we gotten the ball on the 2 and punched it in.

Terrible no-call, no question about that.
Now you guys have an idea of what we put up with in the Big XII. The refs don't think PI exists. You ought to see what Kansas State gets away with on a regular basis. There was a play significantly worse than this last year on ISU's last possession. The official on the play called it, but the referee picked up the flag. It turned out to be the ball game.

Whether this would have changed the game Saturday or not is another question. You might well be right. It certainly would have been a huge factor.

 

[Carolina Hawk]

Terrible no-call, no question about that.
Now you guys have an idea of what we put up with in the Big XII. The refs don't think PI exists. You ought to see what Kansas State gets away with on a regular basis. There was a play significantly worse than this last year on ISU's last possession. The official on the play called it, but the referee picked up the flag. It turned out to be the ball game.

Whether this would have changed the game Saturday or not is another question. You might well be right. It certainly would have been a huge factor.

LC, none of the calls would have changed the outcome but perhaps just the score. Iowa D was just too much for state. I do believe that ISU will finish 3rd or 4th in the b12. I watched TCU play and I feel like they are going to catch a beating from OSU and Iowa State will beat them as well. The OL is what will continue to hurt Iowa State.

 

[Kurt Warner]

I think we call all agree the refs pretty much sucked

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

LC, none of the calls would have changed the outcome but perhaps just the score. Iowa D was just too much for state. I do believe that ISU will finish 3rd or 4th in the b12. I watched TCU play and I feel like they are going to catch a beating from OSU and Iowa State will beat them as well. The OL is what will continue to hurt Iowa State.

What perplexed me about ISU was that 4 of the guys who they started against Iowa had been seen starts before. Knipfer and Good-Jones are returning regular starters. Meeker was a guy who would have ben a returning regular starter had it not been for injury. Foster saw starts last year due to injuries of guys ahead of him.

I understand why Campbell decided to put Good-Jones back to C against Iowa ... he wanted as much experience out there as possible against Iowa's DL. Had he put Good-Jones at LT ... not only would it have been a bad experience for Good-Jones at LT (just because he was "newer" to the position) ... but then it would have been feeding Newell to the wolves at C. It's a dangerous prospect to have such a young guy calling the protections ... particularly when facing this years Iowa DL.

Despite being dominated by Iowa's DL ... I think that the "parts" are in place for the ISU OL to develop into a pretty good unit.

 

[David1979]

Game is over, and Iowa luckily came out on top, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if this PI was properly called. Talk about a momentum killer, what a joke. I think Iowa wins comfortably (17pts +) had we gotten the ball on the 2 and punched it in.

Yeah, I just watched the game again last night and that was one of many bad or non calls by the refs in this game. Couldn't be a more clear PI.

They messed up several spots including one that would have given Epenesa another sack. I think it might have been the next play too where if Stanley would have thrown to Young out of the backfield it likely would have been a first down.