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The Play That Changed the Game (IMO)

Remember they were Big 12 refs. We got hosed on several spots, fortunately the call on Hockensen's catch got changed for a first down.
Allen's catch was a yard short of the line to gain and they gave it to him without a review.
Was able to make on of this as well. Looks even worse live as you can see the sideline judge mark it slightly short anyway but wave the chains for a first. If you look to the top you can see the yellow line is, if anything, slight short of the actual first down marker to begin with.

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If anyone want's any others made, of some big hits or good plays or something let me know.
 
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What perplexed me about ISU was that 4 of the guys who they started against Iowa had been seen starts before. Knipfer and Good-Jones are returning regular starters. Meeker was a guy who would have ben a returning regular starter had it not been for injury. Foster saw starts last year due to injuries of guys ahead of him.

I understand why Campbell decided to put Good-Jones back to C against Iowa ... he wanted as much experience out there as possible against Iowa's DL. Had he put Good-Jones at LT ... not only would it have been a bad experience for Good-Jones at LT (just because he was "newer" to the position) ... but then it would have been feeding Newell to the wolves at C. It's a dangerous prospect to have such a young guy calling the protections ... particularly when facing this years Iowa DL.

Despite being dominated by Iowa's DL ... I think that the "parts" are in place for the ISU OL to develop into a pretty good unit.
Theyh aren't starting a seniors on the OL, which is the good news. The starters -- as you point out -- have significant experience already, which is the bad news.
 
Theyh aren't starting a seniors on the OL, which is the good news. The starters -- as you point out -- have significant experience already, which is the bad news.
It's also early in the season ... just the first game for the Clones ... and it was with a juggled line. Weren't the clones spending most of the time during camp having Newell at C and Good-Jones at LT?
 
I thought Good-Jones was pretty good last year but he got worked a few times on Saturday.
 
Terrible no-call, no question about that.
Now you guys have an idea of what we put up with in the Big XII. The refs don't think PI exists. You ought to see what Kansas State gets away with on a regular basis. There was a play significantly worse than this last year on ISU's last possession. The official on the play called it, but the referee picked up the flag. It turned out to be the ball game.

Whether this would have changed the game Saturday or not is another question. You might well be right. It certainly would have been a huge factor.
I remember that play against KSU, it was awful.
 
It's also early in the season ... just the first game for the Clones ... and it was with a juggled line. Weren't the clones spending most of the time during camp having Newell at C and Good-Jones at LT?
Yes. But with the cancellation of the SDS game, Campbell didn't want Newell (freshman) to see his first collegiate action at Kinnick against Iowa's DL.
 
Was able to make on of this as well. Looks even worse live as you can see the sideline judge mark it slightly short anyway but wave the chains for a first. If you look to the top you can see the yellow line is, if anything, slight short of the actual first down marker to begin with.

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If anyone want's any others made, of some big hits or good plays or something let me know.
Big XII refs just guess at ball spots. They screwed up more than once in Saturday's game.
 
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Theyh aren't starting a seniors on the OL, which is the good news. The starters -- as you point out -- have significant experience already, which is the bad news.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. It feels like Iowa's DL is pretty salty this year, probably need to get a few games down the road to see how the ISU OL will stack up in the B12.
 
Yes. But with the cancellation of the SDS game, Campbell didn't want Newell (freshman) to see his first collegiate action at Kinnick against Iowa's DL.
That's what I figured ... but that's also probably contributed to some of the difficulties that ISU was having on the OL. A big part of OL play deals with knowing what to expect from the guys next to you. Thus, if they had been practicing all camp with one primary group ... then it can throw off some of the continuity and communication to have a different group.

In other words - I expect ISU's OL to improve by leaps and bounds as the season advances. I remember Bobek mentioning 2 years ago how the unit he was on improved more than any other he had been on (including the OLs of Minnesota and OSU). Thus, it's foolish to consider the ISU OL a statically cast object.
 
Theyh aren't starting a seniors on the OL, which is the good news. The starters -- as you point out -- have significant experience already, which is the bad news.
Are you the Ghost of the Iowa State board? Remember me? You and I played for the same HS team, only several years apart. And you played on an undefeated team, which I never did.
 
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. It feels like Iowa's DL is pretty salty this year, probably need to get a few games down the road to see how the ISU OL will stack up in the B12.
The only Big XII team with a DL comparable to Iowa's probably is the one ISU faces this week. Which is not encouraging, because the only way to beat OU -- the way ISU did it last season -- is to keep the ball away from them and score points.
 
Are you the Ghost of the Iowa State board? Remember me? You and I played for the same HS team, only several years apart. And you played on an undefeated team, which I never did.
I didn't play. I was the heart and soul of the team as student manager. ;)

No, I don't remember you yet....jog my memory. I was class of '64. We went 9-0 my senior year. Had two common opponents with Podolak's Atlantic team and beat both worse than he did, weren't ranked because we played too many Nebraska teams.

There was a poster here a few years ago who was the son of a really good halfback on that team. He misunderstood something I wrote and got pissed at me.
 
The only Big XII team with a DL comparable to Iowa's probably is the one ISU faces this week. Which is not encouraging, because the only way to beat OU -- the way ISU did it last season -- is to keep the ball away from them and score points.
Agree, that's why I said ISU fans might have to get a few games further before the truth is known. I suspect OU will be out for blood this weekend.
 
Was able to make on of this as well. Looks even worse live as you can see the sideline judge mark it slightly short anyway but wave the chains for a first. If you look to the top you can see the yellow line is, if anything, slight short of the actual first down marker to begin with.

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If anyone want's any others made, of some big hits or good plays or something let me know.

That is horrible. It’s easily a full yard short
 
I didn't play. I was the heart and soul of the team as student manager. ;)

No, I don't remember you yet....jog my memory. I was class of '64. We went 9-0 my senior year. Had two common opponents with Podolak's Atlantic team and beat both worse than he did, weren't ranked because we played too many Nebraska teams.

There was a poster here a few years ago who was the son of a really good halfback on that team. He misunderstood something I wrote and got pissed at me.
You're family owned the truck stop, my dad was Al Johnson, owned the drive in. You graduated with my cousin Joanne Johnson.

Van Phillips was my neighbor. Used to give me coaching tips when I was a little kid.

I'm sure we are boring this board.
 
You're family owned the truck stop, my dad was Al Johnson, owned the drive in. You graduated with my cousin Joanne Johnson.

Van Phillips was my neighbor. Used to give me coaching tips when I was a little kid.

I'm sure we are boring this board.
Zzzzzzzz....... (I jest)
 
Someone just requested this one but deleted their post. Anyway, good find on what looks like a punch by 10 on Young (look above Wirfs). Guess it could have been to the shoulder but Toren's head looks like it moves quite a bit.

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Someone just requested this one but deleted their post. Anyway, good find on what looks like a punch by 10 on Young (look above Wirfs). Guess it could have been to the shoulder but Toren's head looks like it moves quite a bit.

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yah, it was me... I thought maybe I over-reacted... but studying this... it does look like a punch... and it looks like 28 looks up and sees 74...
I wonder if Young thought Wirfs punched him

anyway... #10 in red looked like muhammad ali

just curious.... is that reviewable?
can somebody in the booth buzz down?
and... would that be considered "Targeting" ? ... since its a blow to the head?
 
yah, it was me... I thought maybe I over-reacted... but studying this... it does look like a punch... and it looks like 28 looks up and sees 74...
I wonder if Young thought Wirfs punched him

anyway... #10 in red looked like muhammad ali

just curious.... is that reviewable?
can somebody in the booth buzz down?
and... would that be considered "Targeting" ? ... since its a blow to the head?
I do believe that this can be submitted to the Big 12 for punishment if they want to. It was definitely a punch. That’s Peavy and if he would have been tossed that would be a huge loss for them.
 
Yeah, I just watched the game again last night and that was one of many bad or non calls by the refs in this game. Couldn't be a more clear PI.

They messed up several spots including one that would have given Epenesa another sack. I think it might have been the next play too where if Stanley would have thrown to Young out of the backfield it likely would have been a first down.
I think refs sometimes overcompensate in an effort not to be influenced by the home crowd. This seemed like one of those times to me.
 
I think refs sometimes overcompensate in an effort not to be influenced by the home crowd. This seemed like one of those times to me.
Looks to me like a Hawkeye -- 38? -- takes a cheap shot at Peavy after the play is over.
 
yah, it was me... I thought maybe I over-reacted... but studying this... it does look like a punch... and it looks like 28 looks up and sees 74...
I wonder if Young thought Wirfs punched him

anyway... #10 in red looked like muhammad ali

just curious.... is that reviewable?
can somebody in the booth buzz down?
and... would that be considered "Targeting" ? ... since its a blow to the head?


Certainly the way his Cyclone teammate reacted like he was jumping in to break up a fight is more evidence that he threw a punch. But what the heck was #12 doing with his little kick and running off?
 
Certainly the way his Cyclone teammate reacted like he was jumping in to break up a fight is more evidence that he threw a punch. But what the heck was #12 doing with his little kick and running off?

Yeah, it is hard to tell from the clip if he stepped on Young or not.
 
Looks to me like a Hawkeye -- 38? -- takes a cheap shot at Peavy after the play is over.

Looks to me like Peavy was standing over and straddling Young and looking down on him so probably talking trash so 38 pushed him off. That's not a cheap shot.
 
Agreed. It certainly may have been PI, but if that ball is thrown higher Fant has a shot to grab it (or make the PI call a no brainer).
First off it should have been a no brainer anyway, so not sure why we should have to gold plate things for the refs to get it right, (much the same as several of those ridiculous spots). Its also not that easy to make the perfect pass when the guy is running out of real estate towards the back of the end zone. Lets cut Nate some slack. That was not a bad pass.
 
yah, it was me... I thought maybe I over-reacted... but studying this... it does look like a punch... and it looks like 28 looks up and sees 74...
I wonder if Young thought Wirfs punched him

anyway... #10 in red looked like muhammad ali

just curious.... is that reviewable?
can somebody in the booth buzz down?
and... would that be considered "Targeting" ? ... since its a blow to the head?
I'm pretty sure it doesn't need to be targeting to get an ejection. Any player throwing a punch to the head, could be ejected, I think, if the refs thought it was flagrant enough. Of course with the refs from the school for the blind that we had Saturday, that would have been very unlikely.......
 
maybe Campbell could suspend #10 for the Drake game..
and since the NCAA rejected it... just call it time served.
not sure that would be any different than what happened last week.
 
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I haven’t seen much on that offsides call Iowa was penalized for? Got back in plenty of time and Iowa State just kind of stood there and the refs threw a flag a good 4-5 seconds later like they had no clue what they were suppose to do?
 
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Someone just requested this one but deleted their post. Anyway, good find on what looks like a punch by 10 on Young (look above Wirfs). Guess it could have been to the shoulder but Toren's head looks like it moves quite a bit.

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so many blind people in this thread, that is the play where Hockenson caught a pass and was slammed to the ground and Peavy was standing over Hock and Young gives him a shove off of Hock and Peavy punches Young.
 
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The start to the game was weird as well. It appeared the neither the coaches nor the players realized that the refs had started the play clock. You could see Ferentz yelling that the ref after the delay of game call "that is bullshit". It looked to me like the offense thought there was a TV timeout or something because they were all just standing there waiting.
 
First off it should have been a no brainer anyway, so not sure why we should have to gold plate things for the refs to get it right, (much the same as several of those ridiculous spots). Its also not that easy to make the perfect pass when the guy is running out of real estate towards the back of the end zone. Lets cut Nate some slack. That was not a bad pass.
My point was that even had the DB not made contact first, based on where the ball hit the defender it would have been a tough catch. I didn't say it was horrible, but it certainly could have been up higher where the big guy with great leaping ability could go get it. In any case, yes, it should have been PI.
 
Looks to me like a Hawkeye -- 38? -- takes a cheap shot at Peavy after the play is over.

That’s how you see that? Another way to look at it would be ISU #10 standing over a tackled Hockenson and taunting him. But yeah, Iowa has the cheap shot there. You can’t make this stuff up.
 
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Game is over, and Iowa luckily came out on top, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if this PI was properly called. Talk about a momentum killer, what a joke. I think Iowa wins comfortably (17pts +) had we gotten the ball on the 2 and punched it in.

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Was right in front of us down low and we were like WTF are you looking at Ref!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
OJ was there a little early ... but it was also a bit of a bang-bang play. Also, he was at least also trying to play the ball. In the case of the play against Fant, the guy never turned around AND he was there even earlier! Given that the ball hit the guy in the back ... it was pretty clearly an egregious PI situation. Had it occurred a few years ago against Mabin ... I'm certain it would have been called. Mabin got caught in those situations all the time ... and he'd get called nearly every time.

That was toward end of game when they were trying to strike quick. It was getting to the point where they would have needed a TD immediately and then recover onside kick because they were running out of time.
 
Someone just requested this one but deleted their post. Anyway, good find on what looks like a punch by 10 on Young (look above Wirfs). Guess it could have been to the shoulder but Toren's head looks like it moves quite a bit.

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Can you do a gif of the pass break by Ojemudia (around early to mid 4th quarter)?

It’s being referred to as the PI Iowa got away with. Looked like good D to me.:D

4th quarter - 4:00 mark.
 
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