If ISU loses to KSU, all it will take is an ASU loss in the CCG for this to happen. Boise isn't losing, I guess maybe Tulane drops one.
There is not a playoff worthy team in the big 12
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1) Don’t lump B1G into SEC. That’s a a joke.
2) B12 top four would fare well in B1G.
3) if your point is that Iowa would win the B12, that’s a joke, too.
4) OSU and Oregon would each have three losses vs an SEC schedule
Bullshit.
The rules are pretty plain and simple. This years playoffs were pretty much wide open for 8 teams or so.
This is correct. The top five rated conference champions get the automatic bid.
That is accurate, if it were to play out like that, although highly unlikely.
The Big 12 getting a bye will go away this year if Boise wins out. Boise will take a bye and the ACC winner will take the other. Hopefully Tulane can take the last spot.
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I think BYU is the only Big 12 champ that would get the #4 seed over 12-1 Boise State, based on win over SMU, the only high-quality win in the entire conference. Boise State has only 1 loss by 3 points to Oregon and has the country’s premier player; very few people could name one player on BYU, ASU or ISU; the committee people know this.
Yeah the idea that a committee is going to perfectly pick the "best" teams instead of letting conference champions move on to the playoffs is - well, it's a retarded idea. Every other sport and football league in the world can figure that shit out, but we always have these - well, retarded people - arguing that you can't do it for (formerly) D1 football.
Why?
Like so many other conferences, the current makeup of the Big12 is such a change from what most of us are familiar with. They are the leftover conference. I would almost feel bad for them, but the the Clone fans show up here and make fools out of themselves, so I'll get over it
Why?
Should people in the big ten feel proud they make a lot of money ( the schools that have zero shot at playoff )?
Big XII will have a wide open path to playoff every year. I would rather have that vs a nicely funded women’s crew team.
This is what I find so funny. There’s tons of under the radar players that won’t end up at SEC powers or Ohio ST or Oregon. So what good is all this revenue that’s going to the schools like Minny or Wisconsin or even Iowa? Is it helping us or them recruit better? Because it doesn’t look like it. NIL is king. Who gives a shit about all this so called money? What is Iowa doing with it? I keep hearing from some of you that all these schools might as well just give up. Guess what? Nobody is scared of 3/4 of the Big Ten and their TV contracts.
If by “fare well” you mean compete for 5th-12th place, that’s fair.
I’m not much for discussing fantasy worlds, but although Iowa wouldn’t be an overwhelming favorite in the Big 12, it doesn’t make sense that their winning it would be a joke; there are zero high-quality teams in that conference and as I type this there are 9 teams still alive that could win it, none having clearly superior teams compared to Iowa.
Again, making stuff up is fun, but these arguments are both based on preexisting bias. I doubt any team could get through a typical SEC schedule unscathed, but your “three losses” statement is a bigger joke than anything you’re accusing others of.
Teams get in based on their wins and losses...not the personalities on their team. "We have a star player" is not an argument to get a playoff bye or bid. Bowl selection sure...but not a legitimate playoff.
BYU and Colorado both had pretty good paths but they choked. All I know is if ISU sneaks in I'm gonna vomit.
You and KF both. His boxers would get a lot tighter knowing that ISU had won a bcs major bowl (Fiesta) since him and earned a CFP berth before him and has skill players QB (Purdy) and RB (Montgomery) having highly productive and visible careers in the NFL while KF not so much.
Ugh, Stanford and Cal weren’t invited and they are currently earning zero TV dollars as members of the ACC.
Yeah, right. If the CFP committee has proven anything, it’s that brand recognition and star power influence them greatly.
Wide open path? The Big 12 is one upset away from being left out of the playoffs all together.
At most (in most years) one Big 12 team will make the playoffs as it stands now. 6% of their conf will be playoff bound. Compared that to the B1G where four teams will likely go more often than not, or 22% of the teams. I’d take my chances in the B1G.
It doesn't really matter in a few years. The BIG and SEC have been meeting and you know damn well the BIG 12 ain't gonna be part of BIG Boy football much longer. The writing is on the wall and your team is in a conference of misfit toys. The BIG 12 will be irrelevant within a few years and the revenue will tank for you clowns.
The big 12 is the island of misfit toys. Their revenue stream is gonna tank in a few years. Cincinnati? Seriously? South Florida? Seriously?
The teams getting byes will not get a home game too. Their first game will be a neutral site bowl game (previously known as the NY6). Teams 5-8 will get opening round home games, but there’s nothing saying teams 9-12 got the F beat out of them by top tier teams the week before like this year with Boise, Indiana, Tulane/Big 12. Chances are they’ll all need to win to keep their place.
But I agree 16 would be better, although not for the same reasons. They’ll still have opening round games on campus I’d believe.
Thanks for the clarification. I obviously thought they were getting a home game.
OK, add "should" to my comment. But are they not beholden to the rankings and official formula in place?
Kansas is the best team in the nation that isn't eligible for a bowl. Their last 3 wins have been solid. Not great because the big 12 is average at best, but when you beat 3 of the top 4. They are fun to watch.
FIFY
The numbers next to each school indicate the average number of viewers per week for a 12-week season.
Which college football programs were most-watched in 2023? (link)
Stanford and Cal right on par w/ the other B12 adds. lol.
- 60 - UCF — 621K
- Boston College — 617K
- Arizona State — 603K
- Houston — 587K
- Stanford — 549K
- 65 - Cincinnati — 481K
- Tulane — 480K
- Wake Forest — 464.8K
- Northwestern — 464.7K
- South Florida — 463.7K
- 70 - Baylor — 454K
- California — 450K
- Arizona — 434K
- Virginia Tech — 398K
- Boise State — 338K
- 75 - Memphis — 336K
UCF, Houston, and Cincy were more in ISU's league. lol.
Total Revenues FBS 2022-2023 EADA
PAC 12
USC.....................$212,013,703
Stanford...............$179,645,688
Washington...........$154,849,477
UCLA....................$141,964,728
Arizona.................$138,761,638
Colorado...............$136,114,468
California..............$134,872,865
Oregon.................$132,359,145
Arizona State.........$128,265,591
Big 12
Texas..................$261,353,404
Kansas................$205,747,275
Oklahoma............$183,919,881
TCU....................$149,297,918
Baylor.................$137,460,582
Texas Tech...........$123,551,688
Oklahoma State....$119,235,776
West Virginia........$103,142,400
Kansas State........$102,332,761
Iowa State.............$93,048,114
American Athletic
Central Florida........$88,199,644
SMU......................$86,044,162
Houston................$84,023,065
Cincinnati..............$77,436,016
South Florida.........$70,344,509
Temple.................$68,819,131
Memphis...............$64,332,894
East Carolina.........$60,875,612
Tulsa....................$46,552,301
Tulane..................$43,392,842
I think the reason ISU black-balled Calford is b/c they would bring too much competition for ISUs taste. lol. Let's see what the B12s value is when they re-up in 5 yrs. Part of the reason ESPN extended their contract was to help get OUT out of the B12 sooner. Leverage is now poof.
Btw, the ACC wouldn't trade 'em for WVa and UCF. lol
Fort Worth Star-Telegram (link)
"According to Big 12 school officials, the conference contemplated adding the two elite Bay-area schools but were met with resistance from four members, namely Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Texas Tech. Having already added Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah to the league starting in 2024, one Big 12 official said, “There is no more money.” The payout from the league’s media rights deal to the respective Big 12 members is set for its future 16 universities, and was not going to increase by adding Stanford and California."
Read more at: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article279596899.html#storylink=cpy
Not according to this article:
ACC will add Stanford, Cal, SMU next year to create another super conference - Fayetteville Observer (link)
Quote:
'For the ACC, adding three schools will increase media rights revenue from its long-term deal with ESPN and allow the conference to spread much of that new money to existing members.
New conference members typically — though not always — forgo a full share of revenue for several years upon entry.
Cal and Stanford will receive a partial share of ACC Tier 1 media revenue — estimated at about $25 million annually — for the next nine years before getting a full payment in the final three years of the conference’s deal with ESPN, according to a person familiar with the terms. The person spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because the ACC and the schools have not disclosed the finances.
Cal and Stanford will get a 30% share in the first seven years, followed by 70% in year eight and 75% in year nine before getting the full amount, the person said.'
Holy shit. These are opinions, so they can’t be disproven.
It’s also an opinion that Rosanne Barr is hotter than Heidi Klum.
In both cases, it’s probably not worth engaging with the holder of such opinions.
Good luck with whatever it is you do. It must be a struggle.
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LMAO, they played that during the fluke year...COVID, they brought that exact same team back the following year and got their asses kicked IN AMES by Iowa. Now Purdy is doing the exact same thing in the NFL, the bigger the game, the more he chokes, he took a great team......the 49ers's down with him. He rolls up great stats against nobodies, but when the game is on the line he chokes.
I'm wrong. They are getting about 7.5 million then, which is a little more than the Mountain West.
ISU can't black ball anybody.
Stanford is one of the worst P5 teams in the country and Cal hasn't had a winning season since 2019.
And the entire country will tune in to see northwestern Purdue Maryland Rutgers Minnesota vandy and another dozen or more trash bottom feeders play every week. Ohio St Michigan and Oregon can’t play each other every week.
At some point the general fans will lose interest.
IMO that is when the NFL should start scheduling Saturday games.
Curious why Kansas and k state don’t play the final week of the season. Seems like an obvious rivalry game.
I don’t know if they ever have. Back in the day of the B8, Kansas and Mizzou were bitter rivals…FB and BB.
Agree with earlier post that the average fan is going to lose interest. If the CFP takes a 3 loss SEC team, but no BIg 12 champ, the TV fix is officially in. The Big 12 champ deserves a bid, period. A bye? No. The 4 best teams deserve a bye. Pick your 12 teams, then seed them 1-12.
A few things need to happen.
1) Force Notre Dame to join a conference. They have the worst loss of any CFP team, but lost early so have had time to recover rankings-wise.
2) Force the SEC to play 9 conference games. Do NOT allow them to schedule patsies in November. It amounts to a bye week, and even allows them to move up in the rankings if/when a higher seed loses a conference game.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I fully expect the Big 12 to get screwed over, and the SEC/Big 10 bias to reign.
A few things need to happen.
1) Force Notre Dame to join a conference. They have the worst loss of any CFP team, but lost early so have had time to recover rankings-wise.
2) Force the SEC to play 9 conference games. Do NOT allow them to schedule patsies in November. It amounts to a bye week, and even allows them to move up in the rankings if/when a higher seed loses a conference game.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I fully expect the Big 12 to get screwed over, and the SEC/Big 10 bias to reign.
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