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These are the schools driving America’s student loan crisis.

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In August 2014, network technicians opened a special connection between computers at the federal departments of Education and Treasury. On nights and weekends throughout the month, that connection delivered to Treasury some 46 million pieces of information about student borrowers in the United States, including their financial situations when they started and left college, their incomes after school and whether or not they kept up with their loans.

After taking pains to protect the privacy of individual students, Treasury's deputy assistant secretary for tax analysis, Adam Looney, and a Stanford University economics graduate student named Constantine Yannelis began sifting the loan data for patterns. They wanted more information on what many political leaders have dubbed an economic and educational crisis in the United States - a spike in the number of students who have defaulted on their loans in recent years.

“It was just constant amazement," Looney said in an interview. "You see things for the first time. It is very hard to see what’s going on in the loan market from published statistics and what you can find online."

What they saw was less of a national crisis than a very localized one: The surge in defaults was largely concentrated among relatively older, lower-income students who attended for-profit colleges.

That's a group of Americans who, on the whole, were desperately seeking new skills in hopes of finding better-paying jobs through the 2000s - and especially the Great Recession. The data suggest many of those borrowers have found added struggle instead.

Default rates among so-called "traditional students" at four-year schools and graduate schools have stayed relatively low since 2000, Looney and Yannelis report today in a study released by the prestigious Brookings Papers on Economic Activity.

But defaults have soared among non-traditional borrowers, particularly at for-profit schools (and to a lesser extent, at two-year public or non-profit schools), a group whose ranks swelled in the 2000s. Those students, the economists write, borrowed heavily to pay relatively high tuition costs at schools that don't have a good track record of graduating their students, and which don't put their students on paths to good jobs nearly as well as other colleges do.
Of the students required to start repayment on loans in 2011, 2 percent of graduate students and 8 percent of traditional undergraduates had defaulted within two years. Among non-traditional borrowers, about 21 percent had defaulted. Of all the borrowers who were in default in 2013, 70 percent were non-traditional students.

[What staggering loan defaults at for-profit schools say about accreditors]

The change in the types of schools students attended - particularly the shift toward for-profits - explains by itself between one-third and one-half of the increase in loan defaults over the decade, Yannelis and Looney calculated.

“Part of the story is certainly that there was an increase in disadvantaged students, particularly during the recession, and that increased the instance of default and delinquency," Looney said. "But that’s not the whole story. The institutions themselves matter.”

Students at for-profit colleges only account for 11 percent of the total higher-education population, but 44 percent of all federal student loan defaults, according to the Education Department.

The study adds to a growing chorus of research questioning the value of for-profit colleges.

While the rising cost of college has led to increased borrowing across the board, the financial dynamics at for-profit schools places added pressure on their students. Few for-profit colleges offer scholarships and grants to cover tuition and fees, which according to the College Board costs an average $15,230 a year for full-time students.

As the authors note, students who attend for-profit colleges are typically from low-income households without the financial means to pay for school. About 73 percent of full-time students at for-profit colleges use Pell Grants, a federal program that provides money to the country’s neediest college students, according to the Education Department. That compares to 37 percent of students at private universities and 45 percent of students at public universities.

At most, federal grants cover a third of the cost of college, forcing students who can’t pay out of pocket to borrow money to cover the balance. Because the federal government will only allow undergraduates to borrow up to $31,000 in total ($57,500 for older independent borrowers) students at for-profit schools often turn to banks and other financial firms for loans. Some for-profit schools even peddle in-house private loans that have run afoul of the government for the predatory terms.

Corinthian Colleges, the now defunct for-profit chain, is being sued by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau for steering students into private loans, known as “Genesis loans,” with interest rates as high as 15 percent. The bureau said Corinthian set its tuition and fees for bachelor’s degrees at $60,000 to $75,000 to force students to borrow from the program and then received a slice of the lenders fees.

[For-profit Corinthian Colleges files for bankruptcy]

The end of the recession has stemmed the rise of for-profits, which the new study suggests is good news for policymakers looking to solve the student default crisis.

Depressed enrollment, government lawsuits and regulatory scrutiny are weighing down for-profit colleges. Some of the biggest names in the industry, including ITT Tech, DeVry University and Kaplan University, are under government investigation for deceptive recruitment tactics or falsifying job placement and graduation rates. And the Education Department is enacting rules to limit the amount of debt students amass in career-training programs.

The number of new borrowers at for-profit schools fell by almost half between 2010 and 2014, Looney and Yannelis note, which means the current default rate - a 20-year high - will almost certainly fall in the years to come.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cas-student-loan-crisis/?tid=trending_strip_5
 
You mean schools that deliver services to mostly lower achieving students and non traditional students requires more of a financial commitment than those that serve the alternative? Shocking.
 
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I'm surprised IUPUI makes that list. They arn't for profit or anything but it makes me wonder what got them on that list.
 
The article itself says the debt is largely due to a huge increase in the number of loans, even though they are small.

Most of the schools on there are online schools. Some of this (not all, they are pretty nefarious at bringing in students and not supporting them) is simply due to increased access to college for many people.
 
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In August 2014, network technicians opened a special connection between computers at the federal departments of Education and Treasury. On nights and weekends throughout the month, that connection delivered to Treasury some 46 million pieces of information about student borrowers in the United States, including their financial situations when they started and left college, their incomes after school and whether or not they kept up with their loans.

After taking pains to protect the privacy of individual students, Treasury's deputy assistant secretary for tax analysis, Adam Looney, and a Stanford University economics graduate student named Constantine Yannelis began sifting the loan data for patterns. They wanted more information on what many political leaders have dubbed an economic and educational crisis in the United States - a spike in the number of students who have defaulted on their loans in recent years.

“It was just constant amazement," Looney said in an interview. "You see things for the first time. It is very hard to see what’s going on in the loan market from published statistics and what you can find online."

What they saw was less of a national crisis than a very localized one: The surge in defaults was largely concentrated among relatively older, lower-income students who attended for-profit colleges.

That's a group of Americans who, on the whole, were desperately seeking new skills in hopes of finding better-paying jobs through the 2000s - and especially the Great Recession. The data suggest many of those borrowers have found added struggle instead.

Default rates among so-called "traditional students" at four-year schools and graduate schools have stayed relatively low since 2000, Looney and Yannelis report today in a study released by the prestigious Brookings Papers on Economic Activity.

But defaults have soared among non-traditional borrowers, particularly at for-profit schools (and to a lesser extent, at two-year public or non-profit schools), a group whose ranks swelled in the 2000s. Those students, the economists write, borrowed heavily to pay relatively high tuition costs at schools that don't have a good track record of graduating their students, and which don't put their students on paths to good jobs nearly as well as other colleges do.
Of the students required to start repayment on loans in 2011, 2 percent of graduate students and 8 percent of traditional undergraduates had defaulted within two years. Among non-traditional borrowers, about 21 percent had defaulted. Of all the borrowers who were in default in 2013, 70 percent were non-traditional students.

[What staggering loan defaults at for-profit schools say about accreditors]

The change in the types of schools students attended - particularly the shift toward for-profits - explains by itself between one-third and one-half of the increase in loan defaults over the decade, Yannelis and Looney calculated.

“Part of the story is certainly that there was an increase in disadvantaged students, particularly during the recession, and that increased the instance of default and delinquency," Looney said. "But that’s not the whole story. The institutions themselves matter.”

Students at for-profit colleges only account for 11 percent of the total higher-education population, but 44 percent of all federal student loan defaults, according to the Education Department.

The study adds to a growing chorus of research questioning the value of for-profit colleges.

While the rising cost of college has led to increased borrowing across the board, the financial dynamics at for-profit schools places added pressure on their students. Few for-profit colleges offer scholarships and grants to cover tuition and fees, which according to the College Board costs an average $15,230 a year for full-time students.

As the authors note, students who attend for-profit colleges are typically from low-income households without the financial means to pay for school. About 73 percent of full-time students at for-profit colleges use Pell Grants, a federal program that provides money to the country’s neediest college students, according to the Education Department. That compares to 37 percent of students at private universities and 45 percent of students at public universities.

At most, federal grants cover a third of the cost of college, forcing students who can’t pay out of pocket to borrow money to cover the balance. Because the federal government will only allow undergraduates to borrow up to $31,000 in total ($57,500 for older independent borrowers) students at for-profit schools often turn to banks and other financial firms for loans. Some for-profit schools even peddle in-house private loans that have run afoul of the government for the predatory terms.

Corinthian Colleges, the now defunct for-profit chain, is being sued by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau for steering students into private loans, known as “Genesis loans,” with interest rates as high as 15 percent. The bureau said Corinthian set its tuition and fees for bachelor’s degrees at $60,000 to $75,000 to force students to borrow from the program and then received a slice of the lenders fees.

[For-profit Corinthian Colleges files for bankruptcy]

The end of the recession has stemmed the rise of for-profits, which the new study suggests is good news for policymakers looking to solve the student default crisis.

Depressed enrollment, government lawsuits and regulatory scrutiny are weighing down for-profit colleges. Some of the biggest names in the industry, including ITT Tech, DeVry University and Kaplan University, are under government investigation for deceptive recruitment tactics or falsifying job placement and graduation rates. And the Education Department is enacting rules to limit the amount of debt students amass in career-training programs.

The number of new borrowers at for-profit schools fell by almost half between 2010 and 2014, Looney and Yannelis note, which means the current default rate - a 20-year high - will almost certainly fall in the years to come.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cas-student-loan-crisis/?tid=trending_strip_5

These people goto school to get the skills to get a job. They borrow a lot of money for the schooling. Then they get out and can't find a job because the economy sucks. So apparently the schools are responsible for the economy sucking so bad.
 
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These people goto school to get the skills to get a job. They borrow a lot of money for the schooling. Then they get out and can't find a job because the economy sucks. So apparently the schools are responsible for the economy sucking so bad.

No, you can blame the slow recovery on the great recession brought about by Republican deregulation and continuous Republican efforts to sabotage the recovery throughout the Obama administration through their irrational calls for spending cuts when much more spending was most needed, and their irresponsible playing chicken with the full faith and credit of the United States.
 
The importance of "the non-traditional" student is overblown BS. They are sought because profit margins of the schools forced to cater to them can easily be increased. They have always been suspicious in my eyes for this reason. University of Phoenix....come on guys...all they have is a football stadium named after them. Even an old fool like me can see they aren't kosher.All they are is a "fee degree" school...if you pay the fees, you will graduate with some sort of "college" degree. That is NOT what higher education is supposed to be.
 
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Liberty university..... worst college in the country if having fun is a priority of any sort.
 
Liberty university..... worst college in the country if having fun is a priority of any sort.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Liberty can call itself that while forcing all its students to attend lectures.
 
No, you can blame the slow recovery on the great recession brought about by Republican deregulation and continuous Republican efforts to sabotage the recovery throughout the Obama administration through their irrational calls for spending cuts when much more spending was most needed, and their irresponsible playing chicken with the full faith and credit of the United States.
Funny how liberal ideas never work because just not enough money was spent on it. I put my faith in people, obviously, you don't. You believe that democratic voters are complete idiots that need to be led by liberal elites.
 
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No, you can blame the slow recovery on the great recession brought about by Republican deregulation and continuous Republican efforts to sabotage the recovery throughout the Obama administration through their irrational calls for spending cuts when much more spending was most needed, and their irresponsible playing chicken with the full faith and credit of the United States.

That was a very long sentence. Nice work.
 
Working in hiring I have witnessed first hand how this for profit hustle works. They find "nontraditional" students that are not very bright and have little hope. They sell them the idea that their situation in life would be better if they had a Bachelor's Degree. As an added benefit the student can take out more money than tuition to help them live on as the finish the degree. The amount of the loans aren't a concern because they will be making more money when they graduate. You can't live on the $10/hr job you are working right now.

The student enrolls and they are given outstanding grades. Congratulations you are a great student! The scary thing is I've interviewed Kaplan MBAs that don't know if they had taken a class in marketing or economics for a degree they completed a year ago.

Well after graduation with the BA the recent online grad finds out that their employment prospects have not changed. Now the online education counselor (salesperson) gives them the pitch that a MBA is what they really need in today's job market. Look at your 3.9 GPA! You can do it for sure and when you graduate walk right into upper management and the big bucks. As an added benefit you can defer your student loans until you graduate.

The student gets the MBA and starts sending out the resumes. They have high expectations on where they should be valued. Then after a little while it should be clear. The student loans come due. Employers have no interest in them as management but they are deemed "over qualified" for entry level even though they are entry level talent. After all the years of schooling and the $100,000+ in debt if they have any sense they realize it was a scam and they are worse off than when they started.
 
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No, you can blame the slow recovery on the great recession brought about by Republican deregulation and continuous Republican efforts to sabotage the recovery throughout the Obama administration through their irrational calls for spending cuts when much more spending was most needed, and their irresponsible playing chicken with the full faith and credit of the United States.

I know where this reasoning comes from. I also see the logic in it. Lets be honest because the govt (congress and the president) haven't functioned for a long time now. I think the slow recovery is due to the lack of credit availability. Credit led the US into the recession (great recession- it was great) and the lack of it has held the recovery back.

The administration knows it and that is why the govt has changed the way they report the Federal employment numbers. No one can deny that this is a change that has been made specifically during Obamas term. I wish they would switch back because those of you REALLY concerned about the recovery, should be looking at this. The doing away with the GSEs (Fannie and Freddie) was not the best idea in hindsight. I realize housing brought the economy down but housing has not recovered. How is it possible that the US is near 5% unemployment and the last 2 quarters of GDP have been negative and plus 1.9%? Please just think about that. The US should be putting up 4.5% numbers
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Get the banks and credit healthy again and we can talk about expansion. Everything else has been smoke, mirrors, and the impact of ZIRP- we are in a horrible debt bubble and sniffing at deflation. This is not good and it also time to stop blaming the previous administrations.
 
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The numbers listed aren't an honest presentation of the debt drivers as they dont show enrollment. Obviously these online schools have huge enrollments compared to traditional al campuses - so even with much smaller debt loads per student the total amount will be more.
 
I am surprised Liberty is on the list. You'd think a theocratic institution would be lower priced. And, one so driven by conservative dogma would be interested in lower debt. I would also think a lot of kids going there would be receiving tuition help from their congregation.
 
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Working in hiring I have witnessed first hand how this for profit hustle works. They find "nontraditional" students that are not very bright and have little hope. They sell them the idea that their situation in life would be better if they had a Bachelor's Degree. As an added benefit the student can take out more money than tuition to help them live on as the finish the degree. The amount of the loans aren't a concern because they will be making more money when they graduate. You can't live on the $10/hr job you are working right now.

The student enrolls and they are given outstanding grades. Congratulations you are a great student! The scary thing is I've interviewed Kaplan MBAs that don't know if they had taken a class in marketing or economics for a degree they completed a year ago.

Well after graduation with the BA the recent online grad finds out that their employment prospects have not changed. Now the online education counselor (salesperson) gives them the pitch that a MBA is what they really need in today's job market. Look at your 3.9 GPA! You can do it for sure and when you graduate walk right into upper management and the big bucks. As an added benefit you can defer your student loans until you graduate.

The student gets the MBA and starts sending out the resumes. They have high expectations on where they should be valued. Then after a little while it should be clear. The student loans come due. Employers have no interest in them as management but they are deemed "over qualified" for entry level even though they are entry level talent. After all the years of schooling and the $100,000+ in debt if they have any sense they realize it was a scam and they are worse off than when they started.
Chris, I don't work in hiring but I know the story you're telling. I kind of fell into it myself about 30 years ago. I was 37 when I went back to school to "improve" my options. Difference is, I went to a legitimate university and had GI bill and a wife supporting me so I only borrowed about 4000 bucks. I came out with a BS in math and computer science and I was encouraged by folks who said my maturity would be a benefit in job seeking. Turned out, nobody had any interest whatsoever in a 40 year old entry level computer programmer. I scuffled around for awhile until I got a 3 day assignment from Manpower to do data entry work for a manufacturing company. During those 3 days, a couple of folks had computer problems that I was able to straighten out for them and apparently word went out that I might be worth keeping around for awhile. they asked me if I could come back the next week, I said sure and I never left. I worked for 7 months at $4.00 an hour (later raised to $4.50) before they came up with a permanent job for me. 23 years later, I retired from there.

Point being, Computer Science was the totally hot setup at that time but even having a degree from a legit university didn't land me a job in that field.
 
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No, you can blame the slow recovery on the great recession brought about by Republican deregulation and continuous Republican efforts to sabotage the recovery throughout the Obama administration through their irrational calls for spending cuts when much more spending was most needed, and their irresponsible playing chicken with the full faith and credit of the United States.
LOL.

Weird. It is always the rights fault to you ass clowns.
 
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The numbers listed aren't an honest presentation of the debt drivers as they dont show enrollment. Obviously these online schools have huge enrollments compared to traditional al campuses - so even with much smaller debt loads per student the total amount will be more.
I was thinking the same thing.
 
I was thinking the same thing.

One, the enrollment numbers are huge because the acceptance rate is almost 100%. The have large student populations but Capella is only 36,000 compared to a school like The University of Michigan at 46,000. The other non-profit universities have been around and amassed student debt over a far longer time period. People can attempt to try to reconcile the why but the answer is simple. These online institutions primary function is profit and sales numbers. Another fun stat is that Kaplan's six year graduation rate is 15.9% and those 15.9% are the biggest suckers.
 
The importance of "the non-traditional" student is overblown BS. They are sought because profit margins of the schools forced to cater to them can easily be increased. They have always been suspicious in my eyes for this reason. University of Phoenix....come on guys...all they have is a football stadium named after them. Even an old fool like me can see they aren't kosher.All they are is a "fee degree" school...if you pay the fees, you will graduate with some sort of "college" degree. That is NOT what higher education is supposed to be.

I think this is somewhat simplistic.

I have two friends that got their masters through UofP. They both got their undergrad degrees from Michigan State, one in history, one in chemistry. They both needed their masters to advance at work while still working full time. They both told me it was not easy but they were both glad they did it.

A lot of their students are just like my two friends. I think the last I heard the UofP has over 300,000 students, but that was a while ago. Don't know what it is today.
 
The reality is a LOT of people are in college that have ZERO business in college. Of course we can't tell these delicate snowflakes that.

The defaults are due more to who is borrowing money than the futility of the education. Plenty of bad decisions on education are made every day at institutions that many would argue are among the best in the world. It's just those folks typically have someone to pay for that mistake.

Look at the chick trying to get $50k for her theater degree on ebay. She went to Florida State...which is supposed to have a solid drama department.

The world needs ditch diggers, AC technicians, plumbers, welders, and mechanics as well.
 
So, were the people taking out the loans forced to do so? They borrowed money, they signed the paperwork, the got the money, and now they have to pay it back. But of course it isn't their fault.
 
So, were the people taking out the loans forced to do so? They borrowed money, they signed the paperwork, the got the money, and now they have to pay it back. But of course it isn't their fault.

No...I think we've told people that without a 4 year degree they're going no where in life...which isn't remotely true.

We've also made everyone a victim.
 
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