There's definitely some business potential here in the form reclaiming and creating new beachfront properties.
Thirsty continents are slowing down expected sea level rise, scientists say
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Roads will be washed out. People will abandon homes and businesses. If you think anyone is going to tear down every structure on the OBX and cart off the debris, you're not very bright.
No, most buildings are designed with an expected useful life of less than 50 years.
You're the one who is not so bright. There's not going to be some catastrophic flood leaving ghost neighborhoods. It's a gradual change that will be managed, just like humanity has managed change forever.
And you still think people will tear down homes and businesses and cart off the debris in the face of rising ocean levels. Here's what's going to happen...there will be a severe weather event that will cause catastrophic damage...washing out roads and flooding towns. People will walk away.
Don't think so? Go to the ninth ward in NOLA. There are still blocks of abandoned homes falling apart from Katrina. And that's not a barrier island. You volunteering to go down there and do the demo?
That work for you, HP?
You asked for examples, no? Figured I'd kill two birds with one post.
Probably because there WERE no 'predictions'; only Straw Man arguments that people put into cutesy little videos for folks who can't understand the Big Boy science. As soon as I saw how many cartoon videos were posted in that thread, I knew it was a colossal waste of my time to post in it. You want to debate the science and the scientific predictions, then post an article from a reputable journal with actual predictions.
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Not to mention that if you could make it into a underwater theme park, with some reinforced transparent tunnels that go up and down the underwater streets and such. I see real benefits to this global warming and the rising sea levels.
Did you happen to look at the predictions post? it was factual "predictions" that all fell flat. Not video's. but I understood the deniers, I see that Ciggy liked your post right away and that he has yet to prove the predictions... It's okay, I see how it all goes with you guys.
You GW guys always state the source is wrong or not reputable, if it doesn't fall in line with your belief.
If you feel up to it - Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/04/2...e-global-warming-tipping-point/#ixzz3zy62HJWT
Or this - http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11...e-to-stop-global-warming-before-its-too-late/
or this - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/rahn-the-world-did-not-end/
Or this - http://www.c3headlines.com/predictionsforecasts/
Or this - http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/sc...rediction-nyc-under-water-climate-change-june
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Doesn't that look fun though? It's almost worth it in my opinion.People will just adapt and grow gills. I saw it in futurama.
What I see there are links to newsmedia articles.
Do you understand the difference between an Op Ed in a newspaper or magazine, vs. a journal like Nature, or Geophysics or something?
It does not appear that you comprehend this point.
We know little of his anatomy. There could be a doink there somewhere.I'm not sold, it looks like your junk falls off.
Prove the predictions wrong. Are you saying those predictions, made public, weren't made?
The predictions were made by GW guru's.
It doesn't appear that you can as you keep on with the liberal answer of "those aren't sources" yet they point out actual predictions from GW scientists...
Guessing this guy you dismiss as well:
Even before that, then-National Aeronautics and Space Administration Goddard Space Flight Center head James Hansen warned in 2009 that Obama only “has four years to save Earth.”
Or this lady:
Elizabeth May, leader of the Greens in Canada, wrote in 2009. “Earth has a long time. Humanity does not. We need to act urgently. We no longer have decades; we have hours. We mark that in Earth Hour on Saturday.”
Or this guy:
Rajendra Pachauri, the former head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said in 2007 that if “there’s no action before 2012, that’s too late.”
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You're the one complaining about intelligent conversation on the matter, yet instead of intelligently critiquing the points made in those articles and proving why they are incorrect, you attack the source.
Sounds more like the dullard way of arguing verse "intelligent" debate.
By all means though, stay on that high horse. Wouldn't want anything that questions your dogma to knock you down from that height.
Yet another individual who doesn't comprehend WHY I'm 'attacking the source'....
Hint: It's because 'the source' is NOT making scientific predictions about what's going to happen, but the same 'source' is then trying to claim 'scientists are wrong' because the predictions made by some non-scientist (OpEd writer, politician, layman, etc) are wrong.
Classic Straw Man strategy, lapped up by those too ignorant to understand what they are reading.
Would a prediction that came true prove anything to anyone?
Global warming predictions prove accurate
1981 CLIMATE CHANGE PREDICTIONS WERE EERILY ACCURATE
Global warming predictions prove accurate
1981 CLIMATE CHANGE PREDICTIONS WERE EERILY ACCURATE
I see ZERO 'predictions' in any of those quotes.
I see SEVERAL people identifying that if we do not get our emissions reduced VERY soon, we will lock in >2°C warming. We have already seen a January with >1.3°C warming over the pre-industrial average.
I'm sorry that you cannot comprehend that shifts in climate take many decades to occur, and that the warming due to our existing emissions will not equilibrate for another 100 years or more. But that's the reality.
It's like speeding along in your car at 100 mph and seeing a train crossing the road 1/2 mile ahead.....you need to start hitting the brakes VERY SOON, or you will crash. But in the 0.5 seconds you don't hit the brakes, you haven't crashed yet.....or in the 0.5 seconds after that, or the next 0.5 seconds. But, if you wait long enough, no matter how hard you hit the brakes, you are going to crash. And that is what those individuals are referring to - the world won't end in 2020 or 2100, or 2200. But by 2100 or 2200, it is almost certain to 'crash' and become FAR LESS habitable for the 7-9 billion people on the planet.
OMG!!!! A prediction from an ACTUAL science publication!!!!
IT BURNS!!!! IT BURNS!!!!
The 9th ward did not get rebuilt because the people living there were not given the money to do it and the infrastructure required was a long time in coming back.
There has been some who have rebuilt with help of private organizations.
Personally I think they should not have been rebuilt at least at ground level. The coastal community I live now requires homes to be built at a minimum 18 feet above sea level. If they did that in the 9th ward then most homes would not have been effected. My house is a little less than 7 feet above sea level and we built so that the bottom of the house is 23 feet above sea level.
Currently only parts of NOLA and California are below sea level. With those in California mainly around the Salton Sea.
Despite the accelerated melting of glaciers and ice sheets, sea levels aren’t rising quite as quickly as scientists anticipated. The reason: Continents are absorbing more of the water before it flows into the seas, according to a new study.
Scientists at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory figured this out by measuring changes in Earth’s gravity with twin satellites orbiting the Earth in tandem. Over the past decade, thirsty continents have slowed the rate of sea level rise by about 20%, or about 1 millimeter per year, according to the study published in Science.
The force of gravity depends on mass: The more there is, the stronger the gravitational attraction. And on Earth, the only thing heavy enough and mobile enough to affect the planet’s gravity is water, said John T. Reager, a JPL hydrologist and the study’s lead author.
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“That movement of water has one of the biggest effects on the earth’s gravity field,” Reager said.
Each year, Earth’s continents cycle through 6 trillion tons of snow, surface water, soil moisture and groundwater. These stores of water are then gradually released into the ocean, allowing the process to begin again. But the strength of that cycle can vary from year to year and decade to decade, due to natural variability in the weather and climate.
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Over the last century, however, the rate of sea level rise has accelerated as melting glaciers and ice sheets have poured more water into the ocean, and warming temperatures have caused the sea’s volume to expand.
Between April 2002 and November 2014, the years that Reager and his colleagues studied, the sea level rose at an average rate of 2.9 millimeters per year – nearly double the average rate seen during the 20th century, according to estimates from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
That’s fast, to be sure, but still not quite as fast as the scientists would have expected.
To solve this puzzle, the scientists considered a fourth factor: the water stored on land.
Using satellite data from NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) mission, they were able to measure the water cycle’s influence on sea level for the first time.
GRACE uses a pair of satellites to track changes in Earth’s gravity field. That allowed them to see where the water was and where it wasn’t.
The twin satellites, called Tom and Jerry, constantly chase each other around the globe in an orbital game of cat-and-mouse. When Jerry flies near a massive object like a mountain, the tug of gravity will pull him toward it and the distance between him and Tom will grow.
As Jerry passes the mountain, the effect happens in reverse: The tug of the mountain’s gravity pulls him back, allowing Tom to catch up.
Meanwhile, scientists on the ground measure the change in distance between the two satellites. Those changes in distance reveal how the strength of gravity has changed at different points on Earth's surface.
“In Southern California we can see the pull of gravity decreasing because of the drought,” said Alex Gardner, a JPL glaciologist who worked on the study. “When there’s a big flood event, we can see the pull of gravity increasing.”
The map shows trends in liquid water storage over continents, measured by NASA's GRACE satellites. Red shows a decrease in storage and blue shows an increase.
(J.T. Reager, NASA /JPL)
Between 2002 and 2014, natural climate and weather cycles brought more rain and snow over land, where it collected in the soils and caused water tables to rise, Reager said.
During this time, the continents soaked up an extra 3.2 trillion tons of water, slowing the rate of sea level rise by about 0.71 millimeters per year.
But the pattern won’t continue indefinitely. Eventually, Gardner said, he expects the continents to start to lose water mass again.
“The land can only hold so much water,” Gardner said. “The expectation is this additional soaking up of water is not going to last forever.”
The only way to abate the rising seas is to reduce the amount of energy Earth absorbs, and the only way to do that is to stop emitting CO2 and other greenhouse gases, Gardner said.
“We can’t compete with the Earth’s system. It’s just so huge,” he said. “Some years are wet, some years are dry. You wait long enough and the climate wins. Climate always wins.”
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-water-land-gravity-sea-level-20160215-story.html
Sea levels have been riding for at least 1000 years, maybe even longer.
...and people walked away from the destruction - which was my point. In 2014 the population of NOLA was still more than 20% below what it had been prior to the flooding. 130,000 people have never come back.
Yep...the Earth will be water free by 2050. You can take that "prediction" to the bank.
So when someone says "if we don't do this we will end up with this" isn't a prediction?
The predictions have been going on since the 70's...
Does fit your narrative as a "journal" and not main stream media?
http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_global_warming_fabricated_data_scientific_fraud.html#
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