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This Female's Perspective on HR

Of course this went over poorly. We live in a white, heteronormative, patriarchal society. The majority of posters on wrestling boards benefit from the hegemonic systems in place and do not wish to challenge their pre-existing beliefs or standards they've taken for granted as societal norms. Not to mention wrestling is a sport with a culture of extreme hypermasculinity making it even more uncomfortable for most to try to go against the hegemonic grain.


I saw this before I had my coffee this morning. Now that I have....

I would have to say that literary aspirants should religiously eschew polysyllabic orthography. The philosophical and philological substructures of this principle are ineluctable. Excessively attenuated verbal symbols inevitably induce unnecessary complexities, and consequently exaggerate the obfuscation of the interpreter.

Conversely, expressions reduced to the utmost minimum of simplification, constitute a much less onerous obstacle to the perspicacity of the peruser. How much more appealing is that euphonious pulchritude, as compared to the pretentious pomposity of elongated verbiage?

On to my second cup....and some work. :)
 
I saw this before I had my coffee this morning. Now that I have....

I would have to say that literary aspirants should religiously eschew polysyllabic orthography. The philosophical and philological substructures of this principle are ineluctable. Excessively attenuated verbal symbols inevitably induce unnecessary complexities, and consequently exaggerate the obfuscation of the interpreter.

Conversely, expressions reduced to the utmost minimum of simplification, constitute a much less onerous obstacle to the perspicacity of the peruser. How much more appealing is that euphonious pulchritude, as compared to the pretentious pomposity of elongated verbiage?

On to my second cup....and some work. :)

What he said.......:)
 
I saw this before I had my coffee this morning. Now that I have....

I would have to say that literary aspirants should religiously eschew polysyllabic orthography. The philosophical and philological substructures of this principle are ineluctable. Excessively attenuated verbal symbols inevitably induce unnecessary complexities, and consequently exaggerate the obfuscation of the interpreter.

Conversely, expressions reduced to the utmost minimum of simplification, constitute a much less onerous obstacle to the perspicacity of the peruser. How much more appealing is that euphonious pulchritude, as compared to the pretentious pomposity of elongated verbiage?

On to my second cup....and some work. :)

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I saw this before I had my coffee this morning. Now that I have....

I would have to say that literary aspirants should religiously eschew polysyllabic orthography. The philosophical and philological substructures of this principle are ineluctable. Excessively attenuated verbal symbols inevitably induce unnecessary complexities, and consequently exaggerate the obfuscation of the interpreter.

Conversely, expressions reduced to the utmost minimum of simplification, constitute a much less onerous obstacle to the perspicacity of the peruser. How much more appealing is that euphonious pulchritude, as compared to the pretentious pomposity of elongated verbiage?

On to my second cup....and some work. :)
Ditto.
 
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I've also noticed most of the United States Military graveyards around the Globe are filled with 99% of members from that exclusive "white boys club", that fought and died for you and I to live freely, and for many to trash those very same people. Short memories we have here in the good ol' USA.

Maybe I'm the only one that's ever noticed that though......................
Huh? I'm trying to connect her post to your response. Are you saying that makes any of the other stuff she said ok?

I'm far from the "I can't catch a break cause the man keeps holding me down" type of guy. I don't play the race card like I keep a deck of em in my back pocket either. But on the occasion that I do attribute a slight or unfairness to the offender's sense of superiority due to race, though I might give it give it a pass, I would have a helluva time saying its ok because "most of the United States Military graveyards around the Globe are filled with 99% of members from that exclusive white boys club, that fought and died for you and I to live freely"

That sounds like a justification for a group to exercise "privilege"

Darn you Fortunato for opening this black hole of a thread.
 
I really didn't write anything that complicated. While I can see "hegemony" might not be a topic everyone is familiar with, everything else is pretty straight forward.
 
Talk about a cesspool of a thread. Can we just please end this.

Most on here are not privileged white folks that hate everybody. They are hard working ex-wrestlers (most with a sense of humor) that know that hard work leads to better personal outcomes and aren't looking for handouts. Elections may change small things, but are not going to ruin our lives. Please keep the political crap off here.
 
I saw this before I had my coffee this morning. Now that I have....

I would have to say that literary aspirants should religiously eschew polysyllabic orthography. The philosophical and philological substructures of this principle are ineluctable. Excessively attenuated verbal symbols inevitably induce unnecessary complexities, and consequently exaggerate the obfuscation of the interpreter.

Conversely, expressions reduced to the utmost minimum of simplification, constitute a much less onerous obstacle to the perspicacity of the peruser. How much more appealing is that euphonious pulchritude, as compared to the pretentious pomposity of elongated verbiage?

On to my second cup....and some work. :)

I don't speak Latin or whatever the above fancy language is but sounds good to me;)
 
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Wrong. jopafanclub said it....you just couldn't read it apparently. Wendy translated for everyone.

Shoot first...........aim later. Shoot the messenger.......not the originator of the message. Wow!
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You needed to address jopa not Wendy.

What you did is called "Friendly Fire".
I didn't "read" it, because I didn't care what the dork (jopafan) was saying. And no I didn't originally catch Wendy's "translation". Regardless, what I said before still stands (I'm not "picking" on her, think I've made that clear). Like it or don't like it, don't care either way.

That same topic "white mans club" was brought up on the local radio this A.M. in Minneapolis. Apparently some white female in the State Legislature was doing what many seem to like to do these days, and that is bash white males. Apparently we're the "safe class" for everyone to denigrate, because I guess it's "socially acceptable".

To them I say GFY. And pray that the "white males club" doesn't bite back at some point. They are after all almost solely responsible for all these asshats to comment due to the freedom these men have provided for all of us.
 
I saw this before I had my coffee this morning. Now that I have....

I would have to say that literary aspirants should religiously eschew polysyllabic orthography. The philosophical and philological substructures of this principle are ineluctable. Excessively attenuated verbal symbols inevitably induce unnecessary complexities, and consequently exaggerate the obfuscation of the interpreter.

Conversely, expressions reduced to the utmost minimum of simplification, constitute a much less onerous obstacle to the perspicacity of the peruser. How much more appealing is that euphonious pulchritude, as compared to the pretentious pomposity of elongated verbiage?

On to my second cup....and some work. :)
Switch to decaf.
 
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Huh? I'm trying to connect her post to your response. Are you saying that makes any of the other stuff she said ok?

I'm far from the "I can't catch a break cause the man keeps holding me down" type of guy. I don't play the race card like I keep a deck of em in my back pocket either. But on the occasion that I do attribute a slight or unfairness to the offender's sense of superiority due to race, though I might give it give it a pass, I would have a helluva time saying its ok because "most of the United States Military graveyards around the Globe are filled with 99% of members from that exclusive white boys club, that fought and died for you and I to live freely"

That sounds like a justification for a group to exercise "privilege"

Darn you Fortunato for opening this black hole of a thread.
Did you type that in German and convert it to English PapaBear? There's your Option #2 for your so-called exercise of "privilege".

I'm thankful someone gave me Option #1.
 
Did you type that in German and convert it to English PapaBear? There's your Option #2 for your so-called exercise of "privilege".

I'm thankful someone gave me Option #1.

Dude, is that some kind of code you posted in? I understood papa bear, but your reply is jibber-jabber, imo.
 
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I've been on HR since Tyler Nixt moved in across the street in early 2000's. Although I'd gone to matches since 1995, I didn't like wrestling because one kid, working so hard out there, had to lose. I went to be a good sport, but was the one wanting to leave after 197. I began to care about Tyler, then the team. We've been to the NCAA's many times since then. I am ignorant about the actual act and feel of wrestling, as well as history, so started watching this forum to learn.
I don't have any uncommon wrestling experiences so most of my posts relate to the connection of wresting and politics, important to me because I am a professional social worker who cares about people. Posts you've seen from me are about what I perceive as civil right slights. I have no patient for it so am strained beyond capacity in the current political era.
I found a group called Hawkeye Wrestling Fan Club 2 on Facebook. At least one of the administrators is a woman. Perhaps because of her presence or perhaps because participants are identified by their actual name, it is a different atmosphere than here. One doesn't have to be on guard for sarcasm or disrespectful "locker room" talk.
I'm grateful to HR for distraction provided during shitty life crises over the past 17 years, as well as education and current information, but I'm putting it on hold until next season. I have been disassociating from a lot since the election.

Sara Henryson
AKA Fortunata.
Sara, HR has never been a place particularly cushioned by civility. Like you, I'd guess that I don't share the political sentiments of the majority of the posters here, but I do try to tolerate them, because the things I disagree with are not the sum total of the value of these folks. I'm certain that you've come to the same conclusion at your job. Your clients don't always act the way you wish they would, but you have more to offer and more to learn from them.

What I've also come to understand is that sometimes people don't need my care as much as they need basic respect. When treated with respect, they'll surprise you. At the same time, if you troll for disrespect, you'll find that too, whether it's at a job, or on a board, or on social media, regardless of the gender of the administrators. Thinking otherwise is naive.

You're right: in wrestling someone has to lose. Everyone loses. And you lose alone, with no one else to blame. When you lose badly, you feel not worthy of respect. That IS part of the actual act and feel of wrestling, and it's very personal. However, the most important part is not when you lose, but how you pick yourself up after you lose. That's also how you earn respect, whether you're Spencer Lee, Jordan Burroughs, Adeline Gray, or Helen Maroulis.

There's much learn from the greatest of all sports beyond the technical aspects, and if you self-segregate because a cascade of slights by people who are calloused, or may just feel disrespected, then you will miss as much as they do.

Gregg Dinderman
AKA grapplefan
 
Suggesting that the ruling class manipulates the masses by setting an agenda of societal norms that benefits their interests isn't trolling.

Posting psycho-babble on a wrestling board that is not having a discussion of same is an error in judgement. You came here to demonstrate your vocabulary and some concepts you picked up in class. What you seem to have missed is that intelligence and Wisdom are distinctly different concepts. You may have a slight lean toward the one, but seem to lack the experience and seasoning for the other. Good luck the rest of your life and I hope you can gain a modicum of Wisdom because intelligence alone will not make you a happy person or a happy life.

In view of the above....yes....you are her trolling, on a wrestling board...out of place and apparently unable to view yourself in the same light as most here view you.

OBTW.......the name calling gave you away also.
 
I didn't "read" it, because I didn't care what the dork (jopafan) was saying. And no I didn't originally catch Wendy's "translation". Regardless, what I said before still stands (I'm not "picking" on her, think I've made that clear). Like it or don't like it, don't care either way.

That same topic "white mans club" was brought up on the local radio this A.M. in Minneapolis. Apparently some white female in the State Legislature was doing what many seem to like to do these days, and that is bash white males. Apparently we're the "safe class" for everyone to denigrate, because I guess it's "socially acceptable".

To them I say GFY. And pray that the "white males club" doesn't bite back at some point. They are after all almost solely responsible for all these asshats to comment due to the freedom these men have provided for all of us.

Well...... glad to know you didn't read jopas post. Because I thought you were just picking on Wendy and giving jopa a pass because you couldn't understand what he said. Thanks for revealing that about yourself.

Now in the future when I read something you post that doesn't seem to make sense I can just assume you haven't read the whole thread and I can go on and ignore whatever you have posted.

Now I really understand that you don't care what anyone thinks of your posts and now we have good reason to think that way about your posts.
 
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I've also noticed most of the United States Military graveyards around the Globe are filled with 99% of members from that exclusive "white boys club", that fought and died for you and I to live freely, and for many to trash those very same people. Short memories we have here in the good ol' USA.

Maybe I'm the only one that's ever noticed that though......................

Your point about 99% intrigued me and got me thinking a bit and I don't think you are correct with your numbers at all.

When I was in the Military in the late 1960's I observed that they were much further ahead of civilian society in the integration of minorities. Civil rights protests were going on big time, but the Military had plenty of Blacks and Latinos already operating perfectly well with no problems.

During the late 60's and early 70's while the Vietnam War was going on many of the middle class and upper class white kids were going to College and getting their Student Deferment from being drafted. I knew people that stayed in college 6-7 years just to avoid being drafted. Not so lucky were the low income people who couldn't afford College like a lot of blacks from the cities. A lot of farm kids from the Midwest and other blue collar types got drafted also since they didn't need College to drive a tractor or turn a wrench at an auto repair shop.

There seemed to be a much larger black population in the Military at that time than in the general population overall as I recall. For a lot of them it seemed to be about the only option for a career they had. Many, many men of different races defended our country and many died in that war. From having been there and lived thru that time I think your 99% number is fantasy for that time period. I would guess that the Gulf Wars in Iraq were nowhere near your 99% either. Even the Civil War had all Black troops as we saw in the movie "Glory". Approixmately 180,000 blacks served in the Union Army. More men died in our Civil War, both sides, than all of our other Wars combined.

Can't see where you got your 99% number. I think you just made it up. Starting to think you are not all that reliable for accurate information.

But like you say,..... "like it or don't like it, makes no difference to me."
 
Sara, HR has never been a place particularly cushioned by civility. Like you, I'd guess that I don't share the political sentiments of the majority of the posters here, but I do try to tolerate them, because the things I disagree with are not the sum total of the value of these folks. I'm certain that you've come to the same conclusion at your job. Your clients don't always act the way you wish they would, but you have more to offer and more to learn from them.

You're right: in wrestling someone has to lose. Everyone loses. And you lose alone, with no one else to blame. When you lose badly, you feel not worthy of respect. That IS part of the actual act and feel of wrestling, and it's very personal. However, the most important part is not when you lose, but how you pick yourself up after you lose. That's also how you earn respect, whether you're Spencer Lee, Jordan Burroughs, Adeline Gray, or Helen Maroulis.

There's much learn from the greatest of all sports beyond the technical aspects, and if you self-segregate because a cascade of slights by people who are calloused, or may just feel disrespected, then you will miss as much as they do.

Gregg Dinderman
AKA grapplefan

Gregg, thank you for your thoughtful response. Surprisingly, my reaction to about 5 pages of bullying, with a few kind remarks, has been positive. Some comments justified my decision, and I'm strangely unhooked from it all. I haven't even looked at the thread on ISU, though Zadick is a favorite.
I'll just continue to be truthful to a more accountable audience, because I don't have to tolerate this.
Sara
 
Your point about 99% intrigued me and got me thinking a bit and I don't think you are correct with your numbers at all.

When I was in the Military in the late 1960's I observed that they were much further ahead of civilian society in the integration of minorities. Civil rights protests were going on big time, but the Military had plenty of Blacks and Latinos already operating perfectly well with no problems.

During the late 60's and early 70's while the Vietnam War was going on many of the middle class and upper class white kids were going to College and getting their Student Deferment from being drafted. I knew people that stayed in college 6-7 years just to avoid being drafted. Not so lucky were the low income people who couldn't afford College like a lot of blacks from the cities. A lot of farm kids from the Midwest and other blue collar types got drafted also since they didn't need College to drive a tractor or turn a wrench at an auto repair shop.

There seemed to be a much larger black population in the Military at that time than in the general population overall as I recall. For a lot of them it seemed to be about the only option for a career they had. Many, many men of different races defended our country and many died in that war. From having been there and lived thru that time I think your 99% number is fantasy for that time period. I would guess that the Gulf Wars in Iraq were nowhere near your 99% either. Even the Civil War had all Black troops as we saw in the movie "Glory". Approixmately 180,000 blacks served in the Union Army. More men died in our Civil War, both sides, than all of our other Wars combined.

Can't see where you got your 99% number. I think you just made it up. Starting to think you are not all that reliable for accurate information.

But like you say,..... "like it or don't like it, makes no difference to me."

Mark Hall was closer...

White-86%
Black-12%
Hispanic (All included)-1%

https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html#race
 
Gregg, thank you for your thoughtful response. Surprisingly, my reaction to about 5 pages of bullying, with a few kind remarks, has been positive. Some comments justified my decision, and I'm strangely unhooked from it all. I haven't even looked at the thread on ISU, though Zadick is a favorite.
I'll just continue to be truthful to a more accountable audience, because I don't have to tolerate this.
Sara
As the tears roll down your face.
 
Gregg, thank you for your thoughtful response. Surprisingly, my reaction to about 5 pages of bullying, with a few kind remarks, has been positive. Some comments justified my decision, and I'm strangely unhooked from it all. I haven't even looked at the thread on ISU, though Zadick is a favorite.
I'll just continue to be truthful to a more accountable audience, because I don't have to tolerate this.
Sara
You should start a protest with a catchy title and boycott HR. These guys are bullies and I bet most are Russian Operatives.
 
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Gregg, thank you for your thoughtful response. Surprisingly, my reaction to about 5 pages of bullying, with a few kind remarks, has been positive. Some comments justified my decision, and I'm strangely unhooked from it all. I haven't even looked at the thread on ISU, though Zadick is a favorite.
I'll just continue to be truthful to a more accountable audience, because I don't have to tolerate this.
Sara

Congratulations. Glad your reactions have been positive. Sounds like you are at peace with your decision to leave. That is how it should be.

One nice thing about boards like these is you get so many differing viewpoints from people. You will never find a place where you can agree with everyone all of the time, but doesn't mean you can't keep looking.

A phrase I read years ago would be a good one to file away and carry with you. "It is as great a sin to take offense as to give offense." I view it as just another way to say "turn the other cheek." Hard to do in practice , but still a worthy goal. Good luck. :)
 
Gregg, thank you for your thoughtful response. Surprisingly, my reaction to about 5 pages of bullying, with a few kind remarks, has been positive. Some comments justified my decision, and I'm strangely unhooked from it all. I haven't even looked at the thread on ISU, though Zadick is a favorite.
I'll just continue to be truthful to a more accountable audience, because I don't have to tolerate this.
Sara

GTFO and don't come back. Stick to ice skating or something.
 
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Sorry to hear that Fortunata. Unfortunately, politics is everywhere...even here sometimes. Yup, I have participated too. As for locker room talk, I think it's kind of funny that you mention Facebook but you know where I see the most locker room talk and objectifying pictures? On Facebook...by women. Yup...lots of otherwise respectable, sometimes married women often post pics of beefcake dudes and talk smack. You know where I don't see it? From men...Probably because when a woman does it, she's being fun and her friends are cheering her on. When a guy does it, it's just tacky and weird or disrespectful of his wife or g/r.

My point? This is a place where dudes can blow off steam, talk sh*t, and get together on their favorite sport. Funny thing is, women are not objectified all that much on here. Yea, get a signature pic of a gal every once in awhile and a thread of Tognetti girls or one with actual hot women...but by and large, we keep it pretty respectful considering most of us are a bunch of former wrestlers ;)

Have fun on the fan club site...my experience on FB though is that real names don't matter and political talk is more likely on there than it is here. At least here, folks often jump in and try to call "knock it off." But maybe that's the place for you because you are right...you did patrol for perceived slights more than you actually talked about wrestling. Good luck.
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