This is how predictable Iowa's offense is
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What % have we been under center? I can only recall when something like 2nd and 1 or 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1. Stuff like that.
On the shotgun, I would like to know what % of time is that an empty backfield where it has to be pass, versus having a back in there by the QB.
On the shotgun, I would like to know what % of time is that an empty backfield where it has to be pass, versus having a back in there by the QB.
I truly believe that unless we go like 11-1, Brian will depart voluntarily at end of season. I don't believe he wants this to go on for his Dad. Then we can all see again this is really Kirk's offense when the next OC comes in.
Ferentz Inc., has become an embarrassingly lazy joke and has been for some time. This has been known for years and they've done nothing to fix it and they won't.....
I'll make it simpler for everyone. This offense is broken. It's been on this trajectory from an efficiency perspective for 6 years and it's hit rock bottom the last 3. This unfortunately has become the new normal for Iowa offensive football.
Offensive efficiency rankings
2018 43
2019 54
2020 64
2021 92
2022 102
2023 115
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Offensive efficiency rankings
2018 43
2019 54
2020 64
2021 92
2022 102
2023 115
BCF Toys - 2023 OFEI Ratings
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^Exactly this, Brian is just the latest scapegoat.
Fat cats, you are what your record says you are, you get what you deserve….KF quotes that say what you’ve just said to a T. They live and die by the out execute the opponent mantra while also throwing out the thats football and what’s the upside lines from KF and BarF. They’ve become complacent and allowed to be this way due to no pressure from an idiot AD. I hope Beth Goetz says things will be changing after the season is over.
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Kirk's offense philosophy is first do no harm, and that is an absolute. Second is score just enough. Third is field position. Try to keep things on the opponent's end of the field as much as possible. Fourth is be balanced even when ramming a RB into a brick wall.
I think that's about it.
I think the shotgun part is obvious. We are not a shotgun exclusive team so we will definitely pass more than run. If the percentage there was 50/50 there would be no element of surprise like there is when you pass 80% of the time and then you run the draw play every now and then. So no problem there.
I did not re-watch the MSU game but I remember watching it live how much I liked Deacon being under center and showing the hand-off so often. It seemed like to me that we ran a lot more play-action with him than we did with Cade, probably combined. I would like to see that percentage while under center to be more 50/50, but, either show the handoff or hand it off every time. That "show" has to atleast for a millisecond freeze the safeties which is exactly what we need. We need to stop making the opposing safeties the stars of the show.
I did not re-watch the MSU game but I remember watching it live how much I liked Deacon being under center and showing the hand-off so often. It seemed like to me that we ran a lot more play-action with him than we did with Cade, probably combined. I would like to see that percentage while under center to be more 50/50, but, either show the handoff or hand it off every time. That "show" has to atleast for a millisecond freeze the safeties which is exactly what we need. We need to stop making the opposing safeties the stars of the show.
Even Chris Williams on kxno this morning commented that he can guess the type of play Iowa is going to run based on how they line up 80% of the time.
It is safe to say Kirk is conservative, but, I am sure he does not have the attitude that he doesn't want to score. I am sure he would love to score every time but at minimum more than the other guy.
I look at it like this. There are 2 ways to win football games and really anything in sports. Either talent or execution. We do not have a game-changing generational talent, like a Cam Newton, Michael Vick, Lamar Jackson. We do not even have any elite NFL talent like a Saquon Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Marvin Harrison, etc. And we probably don't have much NFL talent on offense period other than All. So we have to win with execution and the execution as a whole has been terrible the last few years. Missing blocks, running the wrong routes, not being on the same page, are all indications of that.
So why do they not execute at a high level? It always comes down to a lack of practice and repetition. From everything that we know it is like the philosophy on defense and on offense are polar opposites. On defense it is all about fundamentals, not being fancy, doing what they do well over and over again. Execution. On offense it is like the playbook is too big to grasp with relation to the practice time allowed. They can do a lot of different things but they don't do one thing really well.
Personally I don't think that Petras was a bad QB. I have said it many times that I feel really bad for him because he was much better than what he was given. Cade has produced the same way. But, one would have to think that they are shrinking the playbook for Deacon and maybe that is a really good thing. We will see I guess.
I would like to see a stat on when we have a 1st down incomplete pass, the percentage of plays on 2nd down which are runs up the middle.
Point 1: I feel we often don’t KNOW what our personnel are truly capable of b/c we don’t put them in positions to showcase. Kittle…Charlie Jones..
Point 2: Petras may have had potential but he was a nervous wreck in the pocket. Bottom line is he wasn’t a good quarterback.
This revisionist history being thrown out in some of the threads is laughable.
It is true, and was acknowledged at the time, that the Iowa O line was not good during his time as QB1. Not only not good, but downright awful in 2021 with a further downward spiral into 2022.
But, he was not a good QB. He was not even an average QB. Not just in the B1G. He wasn't even close to an average QB in all of FBS. Being able to throw the ball hard and far hardly makes for a good QB. Despite some musings on other threads, it's highly unlikely he takes another snap for Iowa. That's a good thing. Hopefully he does well in whatever else he moves into after his playing days.
I kinda disagree with this take. Iowa played an injured QB with a more limited playbook to adjust to his physical limitations. I think we saw more rollouts, bootlegs and sneaks in 45 minutes with Hill than we saw the previous 4 games under Cade.
Why do we talk like we are 1-4 ……because we are too dumb to look at the whole picture. We are just burning to complain about something. There are a lot of teams out there that would give their left nut to be in Iowa’s position. We won’t truly understand the value of this sometimes boring system until we are 1-4 and averaging 25+ points a game! I’m sure no one will be complaining then!
Iowa obviously is not smart enough to scout itself if this is correct. This is embarrassingly such a KF/BF thing that you can really only laugh at it.
Why do we not have game changing talent on offense? Yet on defense we're practically sending 3-4 players to the pros every year, most of them 2-3 start guys?
There are a whole bunch of college teams that are mostly all in shotgun but they can run well from shotgun because they pass the ball really well making it so the opposing defense has to play pass first. Most pro teams are predominantly in shotgun and many have great running games and they really can pass the ball. Chiefs, 49ers. Ravens, etc etc
If Iowa could pass the ball much better and if Kirk really went to a pass first and do it well type offense then KalebJ and Jaz would get their carries but also be catching swing and screen passes.
We love to do the 2nd and 10 off tackle run for 2, leaving us at 3rd and 8. That's pretty much a fact as we're averaging about 3rd and 7.8 yards to go for a first down this year. And what I find funny ( actually not at all) is how some still call that our way of ball control offense. The 2nd and 10 run play which nets you 2 and then puts your line and QB in constant 3rd and eight's, the worst position for an offense to be in we are in almost every single possession. The only guy that could make something consistently work in those situations is Patrick Mahomes, and yet our fans are bashing our o line, QB's and receivers. It's an absolute shitshow.
Only for us, and other Big Ten West teams like Nebby, Illinois, Northwestern, etc. Might as well be playing w/leather helmets.
So you're telling me we're winning games because of an offense that's ranked 130th? So if we were 50 there's a chance we could be 2-3? Please tell me that's not what you're saying.
I think you're question is rhetorical, but I'll respond anyway.
What talented receiver wants to go to a program and be primarily a blocker and catch 20 balls, or less, in a season? The obvious answer is none.
Talented wrs want to make big plays. They have to have the ball in their hands to do it.
Its never ever been this bad. Not even close.
I don't ever blame players. You can acknowledge that they aren't playing well, but in college football players are simply a reflection of the coaching staff who are responsible for getting them on campus and making them successful.
You have absolutely no idea how good Petras would have been with an even adequate O-line. The only time he had what anyone would consider adequate was when he was a first year starter, and that was statistically his best year. Your take is laughable.
Agree with not "blaming" players. I have no problem with citing issues with player performance. That's not the the same as putting "blame" on a player. Always assume these guys are doing the best they can based on their skill level and how they are coached. The responsibility lies with the coaching staff, again assuming players are giving their best effort.
We clearly have completely different thoughts on this. Whatever.
Types of plays available.......
1) Run or
2) Pass
Or
3) Punt
It ain’t rocket science, 83.
Bottom line is KF made him a nervous wreck. Just like most of his other QBs
Why does it have to be one or the other? Asking for improvement is only warranted during a bad win total season?
I would like to see the percentages of running play go to the right or left
Our offense is predictable as hell but this is at least a little bit misleading.
There is gonna be no situation or formation where a team’s run/pass frequency is 50%, and what you do gain by being farther away from even, i.e. more predictable generally, is being less predictable on the occasions when you do stray from those tendencies.
It does seem like our playcalling is set up to take advantage of that, where we purposefully build up to a surprise play action or something meant to take a shot downfield.
Mind you we’re not that good at it and there are downsides to being predictable, as we experience all the damn time, but I don’t think this stat itself is the end all be all here.
There is gonna be no situation or formation where a team’s run/pass frequency is 50%, and what you do gain by being farther away from even, i.e. more predictable generally, is being less predictable on the occasions when you do stray from those tendencies.
It does seem like our playcalling is set up to take advantage of that, where we purposefully build up to a surprise play action or something meant to take a shot downfield.
Mind you we’re not that good at it and there are downsides to being predictable, as we experience all the damn time, but I don’t think this stat itself is the end all be all here.
As poorly as the o-line performs, I’m thinking it’s pretty close to 50/50. I think ther is a little more success running left, though.
If you remember, Kirk has never tried to outsmart the opposition.
It’s basically, we know you know we are predictable, TRY TO STOP US.
He’s been like that for 2 decades.
It’s basically, we know you know we are predictable, TRY TO STOP US.
He’s been like that for 2 decades.
I partially agree with this - the nervous wreck part. However, I think Petras was probably ok to begin with but after having to run for his life and getting smacked many times, he became scared. A QB can't play scared (or nervous).
For the shotgun percentage, I’m curious how they calculated that. If the quarterback got sacked or picked up a couple yards scrambling, did they count that as a pass play?
What I’m more curious about is how many times if they were under center on first down did they go to shotgun on second down if the run was stuffed or minimally successful? Conversely, how many times did they go under center and run on second down if they were in shotgun on first down and had an incompletion?
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