This is not a right vs left debate

[NoleSoup4U]

Here's a start: Trump's 45% tax on Chinese imports.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...-of-a-45-tax-on-chinese-imports/#1d92197777f6

I'm going to start by saying that I am not a fan of protective tariffs personally. I agree with the article that they just lower everyone's standard of living.

That being said, protective tariffs are nothing new. They were even a big reason for the Civil War. So, what Trump is planning on doing is really nothing new. I can't see a 45% tax, and it's stuff like this that makes me think he does a lot more pandering than most of his hardcore supporters do. I don't agree with it, but I don't think he's all that serious about it either. Besides, he would need support from Congress to pass this if I'm not mistaken. What say you?

 

[Herkmeister]

I gave you 4 specific examples on how Trump was ignorant.

My point is that Trump and his voters are ignorant.

That's all. It seems pretty obvious.

Honestly Brian, I am a bit surprised you do not like Trump. Your style is quite similar to his.

 

[BrianNole09]

I'm going to start by saying that I am not a fan of protective tariffs personally. I agree with the article that they just lower everyone's standard of living.

That being said, protective tariffs are nothing new. They were even a big reason for the Civil War. So, what Trump is planning on doing is really nothing new. I can't see a 45% tax, and it's stuff like this that makes me think he does a lot more pandering than most of his hardcore supporters do. I don't agree with it, but I don't think he's all that serious about it either. Besides, he would need support from Congress to pass this if I'm not mistaken. What say you?

The point of this thread is that Trump and his supporters are idiots...not to discuss his idiotic policies in detail. I'll "see" you on another thread sometime about that.

 

[BrianNole09]

Honestly Brian, I am a bit surprised you do not like Trump. Your style is quite similar to his.

I'd like him if he were posting on HROT...not running for President of the United States.

 

[unIowa]

People still think Trump is getting votes bc of what he is saying...that's adorable.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

The point of this thread is that Trump and his supporters are idiots...not to discuss his idiotic policies in detail. I'll "see" you on another thread sometime about that.

So, you want to call people idiots for supporting his policies, but you don't want to discuss those policies?

Another thing that I'm confused about. You want to make fun of me for my limited government ideas, but then you want to be disgusted by a large government idea?

 

[Herkmeister]

I honestly try to learn during these discussions. I am always fascinated how some people do you mean others. I do find conservatives to be more respectful than liberals.

 

[naturalmwa]

I'd like him if he were posting on HROT...not running for President of the United States.

What? You don't think HROT skills are transferable? I thought this was a correspondence course on how to rule the world.

 

[who r u]

What? You don't think HROT skills are transferable? I thought this was a correspondence course on how to rule the world.

 

[Raglefant]

I do find conservatives to be more respectful than liberals.

One dinner with my in-laws and their friends would change that.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

everyone said we needed a third party anti-establishment person. r's got it right. dems keep going with the establishment puke. way to go dems.

 

[Herkmeister]

One dinner with my in-laws and their friends would change that.

Well...................maybe that is a bit subjective, huh?

 

[IamHawkeye]

Biggest joke in US history? Bill Clinton & Monica. And the Dems tolerated it. The President of the United States getting blow jobs from an intern and the Dems still support the predator!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trump is a nut? Sure, and I don't trust him but I'll take my chances over a con like Hill or socialist fruitcake. At least Trump has balls and he is a capitalist.

I certainly don't condone Bill Clinton's behavior with Monica (or any other women), but history shows she was the predator in this case.

 

[The Tradition]

I certainly don't condone Bill Clinton's behavior with Monica (or any other women), but history shows she was the predator in this case.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Yes because everyone knows predators wear lipstick and a blue dress and lacy underthings.

 

[The Tradition]

Yes because everyone knows predators wear lipstick and a blue dress and lacy underthings.

Hey, Leave Caitlyn Jenner out of this!

 

[Herkmeister]

I certainly don't condone Bill Clinton's behavior with Monica (or any other women), but history shows she was the predator in this case.

PPPPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An executive letting a young staff member seduce him? There is NO excuse for this in my book and I have terminated managers in our company for these transgressions.

Classic Democratic response. What would you have said if it was Ronald Reagan?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I actually think most people were cheering on jfk and clinton for getting laid, but there are plenty of women coming out accusing clinton of rape and crimes, which we don't condone.

 

[Herkmeister]

Classic double standard.

 

[IamHawkeye]

PPPPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An executive letting a young staff member seduce him? There is NO excuse for this in my book and I have terminated managers in our company for these transgressions.

Classic Democratic response. What would you have said if it was Ronald Reagan?

Did I say there was an excuse? No excuse on his part at all, but she did start it, and he should have not responded. Which is why I wouldn't call him a predator in this case. THIS case.

 

[The Tradition]

Did I say there was an excuse? No excuse on his part at all, but she did start it, and he should have not responded. Which is why I wouldn't call him a predator in this case. THIS case.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Hey, Leave Caitlyn Jenner out of this!

He's only a predator when he's behind the wheel of a car.

 

[Herkmeister]

Did I say there was an excuse? No excuse on his part at all, but she did start it, and he should have not responded. Which is why I wouldn't call him a predator in this case. THIS case.

OK, I'll yield to your technicality. But the son-of-a-bitch should have been removed from office and forced to live in exile.

 

[joelbc1]

People are helpless! They don't have a clue. They want someone else to make decision's for them. In short, the masses resemble sheep.

I have putzed around a number of years selling shoes. People will try on a shoe and then ASK ME what I think? "Jeeeebus Keeerist (I think), It's your friggin' foot! You tell me! All I want to do is get you fit and ring up a sale." I have told many a customer NOT to buy a shoe because they will just end up bringing it back..and that is extra work for both of us.

Folks can't pull the trigger on a friggin' shoe...no wonder they can't figure out which political idea might benefit them or destroy them! They want "someone else" to tell them! And pols, unlike this shoe salesmen, will tell them something that isn't the truth to make the sale.
All a pol wants to do is ring that cash register. I just want a customer who will tell me, "Yes" or "No".

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Joel, it's your job to sell by counseling and by getting them to come to the conclusion that they need it, like it, can handle the cost.

 

[Herkmeister]

First, you are right.

Last, your foot fetish is of no surprise to me. I knew one day you would reveal your most intimate secret.

 

[Herkmeister]

Did you ever get ill from foot odor?

 

[Herkmeister]

Don't answer that here..........................we've never had a foot odor thread. Give me a couple minutes.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

Biggest joke in US history? Bill Clinton & Monica. And the Dems tolerated it. The President of the United States getting blow jobs from an intern and the Dems still support the predator!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trump is a nut? Sure, and I don't trust him but I'll take my chances over a con like Hill or socialist fruitcake. At least Trump has balls and he is a capitalist.

You don't like blow jobs?

 

[Herkmeister]

You don't like blow jobs?

Not when my Uncle Sam makes me give it to him!!!

 

[TexMichFan]

But the fact Trump has made it this far shows how many idiots this country has. The man hasn't spewed any sense of knowledge or how he will "make America great again" on his campaign and yet the Busch light, camo hat, gun clinging, Muslim hating types have latched on.

I truly feel like this is going to lead to Civil War part 2 if this man gets elected. Sad thing is I think Trump joined as a joke and he is too far entrenched now. I don't dislike Trump the biz man but he is so far off his rocker with this president crap and people actually believe in him. The future is going to look at this as the biggest joke in our country's history.

Didn't need Trump running for President for this to be evident. Read the news and watch 10 minutes of reality shows and you can see it.

 

[Nat Algren]

Many of Chump's positions are the same as the others...authoritarian. What he has done better than all the others is positioning himself as the anti-establishment candidate. That wave is riding high at 67% today. He comes off as the guy who can't be bought and therefore, controlled.

 

[Panic1769]

The point of this thread is that Trump and his supporters are idiots...not to discuss his idiotic policies in detail. I'll "see" you on another thread sometime about that.

Yeah, because "Hope and Change" had so many teeth to it.

You want to talk about idiots and idiotic policies...Look at Sanders. Free college and healthcare for all. a 90% tax rate for the wealthy and increased taxes for all. Yet none of his supports realize they will pay, a lot. They think the Gov't and the wealthy will pay for all.

Oh, and what amazing policies is Hillary advocating?

And no, I'm not a Trump supporter.

 

[Herkmeister]

Yeah, because "Hope and Change" had so many teeth to it.

You want to talk about idiots and idiotic policies...Look at Sanders. Free college and healthcare for all. a 90% tax rate for the wealthy and increased taxes for all. Yet none of his supports realize they will pay, a lot. They think the Gov't and the wealthy will pay for all.

Oh, and what amazing policies is Hillary advocating?

And no, I'm not a Trump supporter.

And don't forget what hope and change did for blacks. And that Hill is using the same lame lines Obummer did. And this debt thing is the fault of Dems and Repubs combined. Grassley and Harkin are equally at fault. They should be hung but instead we permit Congress to give themselves raises, pensions, and different health insurance than what we have.

I hope Trump does win and calls ALL of those dishonest bastards out.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Biggest joke in US history? Bill Clinton & Monica. And the Dems tolerated it. The President of the United States getting blow jobs from an intern and the Dems still support the predator!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How old was Monica? Isn't it true that she pursued him? How exactly does that make him a "predator"?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Whatever you say, Soup. You are totally clueless. None of your libertarian B.S. would actually work in the real world.

Trump voters are ignorant because they support the most ignorant candidate who spouts the most ignorant B.S. He has been proven ignorant when talking about the economy, building a wall "that Mexico will pay for, trade, tariffs, the Middle East, foreign policy, etc., etc.

Trump went to college. He graduated from an Ivy League school although he transferred there with the help of a connection. He's still totally ignorant about almost everything.

Trump represents his voters well.

They're all f'n ignorant Nole. This isn't news.

 

[Herkmeister]

How old was Monica? Isn't it true that she pursued him? How exactly does that make him a "predator"?

Yes, you are right. President Clinton was a victim. And he was excused for it. Monica should have spent time in prison. I feel so bad that I thought badly of President Clinton. I just didn't get it, but I do now. If a woman hits on you it's OK. I'll tell my wife.

 

[Herkmeister]

NOW................I also understand why Hillary tolerated Bill's other transgressions. That poor bastard was victimized more than any President in history.

Thanks for qualifying that for me.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

He was impeached for telling lies about being a victim

 

[Herkmeister]

He was impeached for telling lies about being a victim

I know. But not removed from office.