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Both Fields and Crowley should be fired and criminally charged. I certainly hope the Trump led Department of Justice pursues criminal charges against those two and looks into whether Newsom and Davis can be prosecuted also!!!​

LAFD bosses sent just 5 fire engines to Palisades Fire — while holding back 1,000 firefighters and 35 trucks in critical first hours.​


Los Angeles fire bosses deployed a just fraction of its firefighters and trucks to the deadly Palisades Fire until it was already out of control — sending just five the 40 available fire engines and holding back 1,000 firefighters, according to a damning new report.

The critical decisions — blasted by experts and ex-fire chiefs as a spate of “missteps” — were made even as extreme warnings were coming in about life-threatening winds the turned the blaze into the most destructive in Los Angeles history.

“You would have had a better chance to get a better result if you deployed those engines,” former LAFD Battalion Chief Rick Crawford told the Los Angeles Times.


“You give yourself the best chance to minimize how big the fire could get. … If you do that, you have the ability to say, ‘I threw everything at it at the outset.’”

“That didn’t happen here,” he continued, adding the choices were part of a “domino effect of missteps” by officials.
Officials held off on ordering hundreds of available fire crews to remain on duty for a second shift last Tuesday, which would have doubled the manpower on hand, to help battle flames taking hold in the Pacific Palisades neighborhood, according to internal fire department records obtained by the Times.

Despite being available, no extra engines were readied in the Palisades region prior to the fire breaking out there, according to the logs.

LA’s Deputy Chief Richard Fields, who is in charge of staffing and equipment, stressed that his plan was “appropriate for immediate response” and slammed critics for playing “Monday morning quarterback.” His boss, Chief Kristin Crowley, also defended the decision.

The Times also reported that before the fires, LAFD leaders decided not to deploy nine fire engines to fire-prone areas like the Pacific Palisades — deciding instead to keep them in position in Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley.

They were instead used to take other fire calls, according to the Times.

Meanwhile, additional manpower was only called up in the now-destroyed Palisades enclave after the flames was already out of control, the logs show.

“The plan you’re using now for the fire you should have used before the fire,” said Crawford, who now runs emergency and crisis management for the US Capitol.

“It’s a known staffing tactic — a deployment model.”

Crawford, as well as other former chiefs with lengthy experience in fire tactics, stressed that at least 24 of the more than 40 engines should have been staged in the Palisades and other hillside regions in advance.

Fields told the Times that he stands by the decision — given that calls across the apartment the night the fire blazed out of control were double normal.

Hurricane-force Santa Ana winds blasted the city, whipping up to 100 mph and spreading embers for miles beyond the fire.


“It’s very easy to Monday-morning quarterback and sit on the couch and tell us what we should have done now that the thing has happened,” he said.

“What we did was based on many years of experience and also trying to be responsible for the rest of the city at any given time of that day.”

“I accept that we could be scrutinized for not having enough after the thing has happened,” Fields added. “But I would challenge any of those people that scrutinize that to make a different decision prior to the thing happening.”
Fire Chief Crowley, too, argued that leaders had to be strategic with limited resources.

“The plan that they put together, I stand behind, because we have to manage everybody in the city,” Crowley said.

She previously claimed Mayor Karen Bass’ funding cuts to the department had left the LDFD without the resources it needed to fight the fires.
Crews fighting the Palisades Fire also reported early on that they struggled to fight flames after local hydrants ran dry due to low water pressure.

It has since emerged that the 117 million-gallon Santa Ynez Reservoir in the fire-ravaged Pacific Palisades neighborhood was empty and undergoing repairs to its torn cover when the historic blaze started ravaging the region a week ago.

The Palisades Fire, along the coast, has been blamed for eight deaths as the wildfires continue to destroy the area. The fires across the region caused up to $250 billion in damages.

Cal Fire reported containment of the Palisades Fire at 18% as of Tuesday.


 

LAFD bosses sent just 5 fire engines to Palisades Fire — while holding back 1,000 firefighters and 35 trucks in critical first hours.​


Los Angeles fire bosses deployed a just fraction of its firefighters and trucks to the deadly Palisades Fire until it was already out of control — sending just five the 40 available fire engines and holding back 1,000 firefighters, according to a damning new report.

The critical decisions — blasted by experts and ex-fire chiefs as a spate of “missteps” — were made even as extreme warnings were coming in about life-threatening winds the turned the blaze into the most destructive in Los Angeles history.

“You would have had a better chance to get a better result if you deployed those engines,” former LAFD Battalion Chief Rick Crawford told the Los Angeles Times.


“You give yourself the best chance to minimize how big the fire could get. … If you do that, you have the ability to say, ‘I threw everything at it at the outset.’”

“That didn’t happen here,” he continued, adding the choices were part of a “domino effect of missteps” by officials.
Officials held off on ordering hundreds of available fire crews to remain on duty for a second shift last Tuesday, which would have doubled the manpower on hand, to help battle flames taking hold in the Pacific Palisades neighborhood, according to internal fire department records obtained by the Times.

Despite being available, no extra engines were readied in the Palisades region prior to the fire breaking out there, according to the logs.
 
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LAFD bosses sent just 5 fire engines to Palisades Fire — while holding back 1,000 firefighters and 35 trucks in critical first hours.​


Los Angeles fire bosses deployed a just fraction of its firefighters and trucks to the deadly Palisades Fire until it was already out of control — sending just five the 40 available fire engines and holding back 1,000 firefighters, according to a damning new report.

The critical decisions — blasted by experts and ex-fire chiefs as a spate of “missteps” — were made even as extreme warnings were coming in about life-threatening winds the turned the blaze into the most destructive in Los Angeles history.

“You would have had a better chance to get a better result if you deployed those engines,” former LAFD Battalion Chief Rick Crawford told the Los Angeles Times.


“You give yourself the best chance to minimize how big the fire could get. … If you do that, you have the ability to say, ‘I threw everything at it at the outset.’”

“That didn’t happen here,” he continued, adding the choices were part of a “domino effect of missteps” by officials.
Officials held off on ordering hundreds of available fire crews to remain on duty for a second shift last Tuesday, which would have doubled the manpower on hand, to help battle flames taking hold in the Pacific Palisades neighborhood, according to internal fire department records obtained by the Times.

Despite being available, no extra engines were readied in the Palisades region prior to the fire breaking out there, according to the logs.
How long have you idolized teenage boys?
 
JFC, another fvcking thread on this? Tell us you were ass raped by a gay firefighter without actually telling us. I've never used the ignore feature before, but I may have to just to clear out the main page from this asshole.
Tell us you wouldn’t DFK Catfish Face Mayer Bass?
 
More like ineptness at its finest. I've seen volunteer fire departments more competent than what's running the show in LA.

You're simply a puke excuse maker for the illiterate left.
Which volunteer fire departments are you speaking of exactly? I’ve been working closely with fore departments for a 35 year career. Tell me exactly what experience you bring to the table?
 
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This just needs to be the standard response to these dicksicles. No different that @Hawki97 's gif


“You give yourself the best chance to minimize how big the fire could get. … If you do that, you have the ability to say, ‘I threw everything at it at the outset.’”

“That didn’t happen here,” he continued, adding the choices were part of a “domino effect of missteps” by officials.
Officials held off on ordering hundreds of available fire crews to remain on duty for a second shift last Tuesday, which would have doubled the manpower on hand, to help battle flames taking hold in the Pacific Palisades neighborhood, according to internal fire department records obtained by the Times.

Despite being available, no extra engines were readied in the Palisades region prior to the fire breaking out there, according to the logs.

LA’s Deputy Chief Richard Fields, who is in charge of staffing and equipment, stressed that his plan was “appropriate for immediate response” and slammed critics for playing “Monday morning quarterback.” His boss, Chief Kristin Crowley, also defended the decision.

The Times also reported that before the fires, LAFD leaders decided not to deploy nine fire engines to fire-prone areas like the Pacific Palisades — deciding instead to keep them in position in Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley.
 
“You give yourself the best chance to minimize how big the fire could get. … If you do that, you have the ability to say, ‘I threw everything at it at the outset.’”

“That didn’t happen here,” he continued, adding the choices were part of a “domino effect of missteps” by officials.
Officials held off on ordering hundreds of available fire crews to remain on duty for a second shift last Tuesday, which would have doubled the manpower on hand, to help battle flames taking hold in the Pacific Palisades neighborhood, according to internal fire department records obtained by the Times.

Despite being available, no extra engines were readied in the Palisades region prior to the fire breaking out there, according to the logs.

LA’s Deputy Chief Richard Fields, who is in charge of staffing and equipment, stressed that his plan was “appropriate for immediate response” and slammed critics for playing “Monday morning quarterback.” His boss, Chief Kristin Crowley, also defended the decision.

The Times also reported that before the fires, LAFD leaders decided not to deploy nine fire engines to fire-prone areas like the Pacific Palisades — deciding instead to keep them in position in Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley.
"LA’s Deputy Chief Richard Fields, who is in charge of staffing and equipment" Per your thread title, please link to Richard Fields being a DEI hire.
 
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Have you seen his photo?
Yes. I'd put his credentials up against yours every day (twice on Sundays).

Chief Fields has served the Los Angeles City Fire Department for nearly 30 years and promoted through the ranks of Firefighter, Captain I, Captain II, Battalion Chief, and Assistant Chief. Chief Fields has received a master’s degree in Homeland Security and Defense from the Naval Postgraduate School and holds a bachelor’s degree in Organizational Leadership and Emergency Services Management.
 
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Yes. I'd put his credentials up against yours every day (twice on Sundays).

Chief Fields has served the Los Angeles City Fire Department for nearly 30 years and promoted through the ranks of Firefighter, Captain I, Captain II, Battalion Chief, and Assistant Chief. Chief Fields has received a master’s degree in Homeland Security and Defense from the Naval Postgraduate School and holds a bachelor’s degree in Organizational Leadership and Emergency Services Management.
He obviously was just pushed through the ranks and the training as evidenced by the fact that when crunch time came, he failed miserably. He needs to be criminally charged.
 
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Hindsight 20/20 at its finest.

LAFD bosses sent just 5 fire engines to Palisades Fire — while holding back 1,000 firefighters and 35 trucks in critical first hours.​


Los Angeles fire bosses deployed a just fraction of its firefighters and trucks to the deadly Palisades Fire until it was already out of control — sending just five the 40 available fire engines and holding back 1,000 firefighters, according to a damning new report.

The critical decisions — blasted by experts and ex-fire chiefs as a spate of “missteps” — were made even as extreme warnings were coming in about life-threatening winds the turned the blaze into the most destructive in Los Angeles history.

“You would have had a better chance to get a better result if you deployed those engines,” former LAFD Battalion Chief Rick Crawford told the Los Angeles Times.


“You give yourself the best chance to minimize how big the fire could get. … If you do that, you have the ability to say, ‘I threw everything at it at the outset.’”
 
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LAFD bosses sent just 5 fire engines to Palisades Fire — while holding back 1,000 firefighters and 35 trucks in critical first hours.​


Los Angeles fire bosses deployed a just fraction of its firefighters and trucks to the deadly Palisades Fire until it was already out of control — sending just five the 40 available fire engines and holding back 1,000 firefighters, according to a damning new report.

The critical decisions — blasted by experts and ex-fire chiefs as a spate of “missteps” — were made even as extreme warnings were coming in about life-threatening winds the turned the blaze into the most destructive in Los Angeles history.

“You would have had a better chance to get a better result if you deployed those engines,” former LAFD Battalion Chief Rick Crawford told the Los Angeles Times.


“You give yourself the best chance to minimize how big the fire could get. … If you do that, you have the ability to say, ‘I threw everything at it at the outset.’”
Here’s another set of quotes from this same guy explaining why the fire spread so fast. I know it’s in your nature to criticize. Because a sickening LGTBQ is leading the department, but you’ll just have to deal. It’s a fire in an impossible place with an impossible set of circumstances.

 
Here’s another set of quotes from this same guy explaining why the fire spread so fast. I know it’s in your nature to criticize. Because a sickening LGTBQ is leading the department, but you’ll just have to deal. It’s a fire in an impossible place with an impossible set of circumstances.

When you send 2 fire trucks and leave 50 behind yes things will get out of hand.
 
When you send 2 fire trucks and leave 50 behind yes things will get out of hand.
Tell me your education in fire scene management and fire incident command. Let me hear your qualifications to judge their actions. Do you suppose the fact that the area was filled with winding narrow streets made a difference? That the fire was spreading faster than the trucks could travel? That they were afraid the trucks and crews would get trapped behind the fire line?

The people leading that department are very qualified in what they do. They have cumulative centuries of fire experience in general and fire command in that area. It’s entirely possible that some decisions were made that didn’t turn out to be the correct decisions. That doesn’t mean the decisions were unreasonable or even incorrect.

You judge because they are in an area run by democrats. You think they must be a DEI hire and are therefore unqualified. You think you can score political points. You have no agenda other than a political agenda.

You’re the worst kind of poster on this board and more broadly the worst part of American politics. Party and agenda above all else no matter what. Go team. 👏 👏👏👏👏
 
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Fields completely dropped the ball in directing the fire fighting efforts he is responsible for many deaths and destruction.
Why? Because he's black or because he made a miscalculation? Let me ask you this, have you ever placed a cheeseburger in the bag when the person ordered a chicken sandwich? We all know the answer, so the question is why? Were you not properly trained? Is it because you're a white nationalist? Is it because you're a MAGA? or did you simply make a mistake?
 
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I see a lot of attacking the messenger. Not a lot of refuting the message.

I hope the ‘what is your background in fire fighting’ crowd never claims a medical procedure error ‘well you aren’t a doctor how can you tell me I did the surgery on the wrong knee’

Or they can never complain about a poorly cooked meal in a restaurant ‘you have never cooked in a commercial kitchen why do you think you can tell me it’s cooked wrong’

Address the message, defend the decisions…. Good luck on that front
 
I see a lot of attacking the messenger. Not a lot of refuting the message.

I hope the ‘what is your background in fire fighting’ crowd never claims a medical procedure error ‘well you aren’t a doctor how can you tell me I did the surgery on the wrong knee’

Or they can never complain about a poorly cooked meal in a restaurant ‘you have never cooked in a commercial kitchen why do you think you can tell me it’s cooked wrong’

Address the message, defend the decisions…. Good luck on that front
Excellent points. However, there’s a difference here. Fighting large complex fires is a technical process with decisions made on the fly that may turn out to be faulty. It’s not a matter of personal taste, restaurant food, or an obvious horrible choice, operating on the wrong leg. It’s decisions made on the fly.

In addition, when posters start the criticism out by dismissing the fire staff, in the title of the thread, as “DEI” hires they get no benefit of the doubt for reasonable criticism.
 
I see a lot of attacking the messenger. Not a lot of refuting the message.

I hope the ‘what is your background in fire fighting’ crowd never claims a medical procedure error ‘well you aren’t a doctor how can you tell me I did the surgery on the wrong knee’

Or they can never complain about a poorly cooked meal in a restaurant ‘you have never cooked in a commercial kitchen why do you think you can tell me it’s cooked wrong’

Address the message, defend the decisions…. Good luck on that front
But what's the message? There hasn't been a single, rational proposal for discussing the tragedy that is the LA fires. It's 100% gaslighting and regurgitation of far right sound bites.

The far-right posters on this board seem to have already cemented their narrative, reinforced by an authoritarian-leaning Trump and a biased media that plays out 24/7 (see clip below). They scour the internet with deliberate intent, cherry-picking information to support their preconceived notions.

I made an effort to engage rationally: "Okay, I see your claim. Let’s take the time to verify or debunk it. [I read through the budget.] Well, I didn’t find anything to support your assertion. What evidence have you found?"

The response? Predictable: "Blah blah, DEI this, DEI that," followed by endless deflection.

 
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