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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Right

Simply LISTEN to them. And their talking-head "leader" at Fox.
"What has Putin ever done to me?"
Nope, im one of those calling for prudence, and im consistent in that fiscal responsibility is a priority regardless whether I agree with the cause or not.
Unless, of course, you're painting with a broad brush and making sweeping assumptions about "them"....but you wouldnt do that, would ya?
 
Let's play this game out. What would satisfy your undefined proper, whom would it be performed by, and what standards is the accounting held to?

Specifics, not pie in the sky bullshit strawmen
Whomever is donating/supplying. In the US, its DOS, DOD, Congress, etc.
A couple specifics from the $40B aid we approved early this year that I, as a taxpayer, raise an eyebrow at and would appreciate specific allocation records/justification:
  • $11B in drawdown authority - why when we had the lend-lease legislation?
  • $360M in R&D
  • $500M in aid to friendly foreign nations - why is the US responsible for reimbursing other nations' donations? (Answer: because Lockheed/Raytheon/L3, etc can back fill those donations - my defense portfolio approves)
  • $6B in USAI - has a point referred to as "sustainment". DOD gets to decide what qualifies as its merely a transfer account.
  • $500M in munitions stock - not going to Ukraine, simply an opportunity to build up US stock outside of the typical budgeting process
  • $600M Defense production act: expanding domestic mining for minerals. Nothing to do w/ Ukraine (and very contradictory to the current admins purported stance on environmental issues)
  • $16B in "humanitarian aid & global assistance" this is ripe with opportunity for misappropriation, theres $500M that is somehow ending up in US farmers' hands. $400M for international narcotics control, $190M for "diplomatic programs" and so on.
Again, asking the question and wanting to ensure money goes where its supposed to is not a lack of support. Its smart. Not wanting to see that and having blind trust is just lazy ignorance.
 
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What "checks" are you wanting to put in place then?

What are your GOP buddies calling for, specifically? If they do not have a clear "plan", then the intent is to shut down the aid while they work on one; and you certainly can comprehend what THAT means, can't you?
We can have a discussion when you learn assumptions are bad as youve been told contradictory facts to your assumptions many times, but refuse to acknowledge them. The first and most simple being; im not a part of the GOP, and just becuase someone disagrees with you does not make them an "enemy" and part of a group you are lazily using to vilify anyone who has a different position.
 
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Whomever is donating/supplying. In the US, its DOS, DOD, Congress, etc.
A couple specifics from the $40B aid we approved early this year that I, as a taxpayer, raise an eyebrow at and would appreciate specific allocation records/justification:
  • $11B in drawdown authority - why when we had the lend-lease legislation?
  • $360M in R&D
  • $500M in aid to friendly foreign nations - why is the US responsible for reimbursing other nations' donations? (Answer: because Lockheed/Raytheon/L3, etc can back fill those donations - my defense portfolio approves)
  • $6B in USAI - has a point referred to as "sustainment". DOD gets to decide what qualifies as its merely a transfer account.
  • $500M in munitions stock - not going to Ukraine, simply an opportunity to build up US stock outside of the typical budgeting process
  • $600M Defense production act: expanding domestic mining for minerals. Nothing to do w/ Ukraine (and very contradictory to the current admins purported stance on environmental issues)
  • $16B in "humanitarian aid & global assistance" this is ripe with opportunity for misappropriation, theres $500M that is somehow ending up in US farmers' hands. $400M for international narcotics control, $190M for "diplomatic programs" and so on.
Again, asking the question and wanting to ensure money goes where its supposed to is not a lack of support. Its smart. Not wanting to see that and having blind trust is just lazy ignorance.
I see zero "solutions" proposed here.
 
I see zero "solutions" proposed here.
Solutions to what - i never said they were a problem. I just want to see proof, justification, and transparency. How do US farm subsidies help Ukraine? How does stockpilling US munitions outside of the budget process help Ukraine? How does international narcotics enforcement help Ukraine? How does domestic mineral mining help Ukraine? If theres good answers, great, full steam ahead. If there isnt, they shouldnt be part of a Ukrainian aid package should they?
 
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September 2, 2014 6:21 PM EDT

Reports emerged Tuesday that Russian President Vladimir Putin he could take control of Ukraine’s capital city in as little as two weeks, a remark that escalated already pitched tensions between Russia and the West in the lead-up to NATO’s summit in Wales.

Putin made the incendiary comment in a phone conversation with European Commission President José Manuel Barroso, according to Barroso’s account, published by Italy’s La Repubblica on Monday.

Barroso said he asked Putin if Russian troops had crossed into eastern Ukraine, La Repubblica reports. “That is not the question,” Putin reportedly said. “But if I wanted to, I could take Kiev in two weeks.”
Going through some of my favorite first week posts
 
Solutions to what - i never said they were a problem. I just want to see proof, justification, and transparency. How do US farm subsidies help Ukraine? How does stockpilling US munitions outside of the budget process help Ukraine? How does international narcotics enforcement help Ukraine? How does domestic mineral mining help Ukraine? If theres good answers, great, full steam ahead. If there isnt, they shouldnt be part of a Ukrainian aid package should they?
You seem to have a lot of questions when it comes to helping Ukraine.
 
Whomever is donating/supplying. In the US, its DOS, DOD, Congress, etc.
A couple specifics from the $40B aid we approved early this year that I, as a taxpayer, raise an eyebrow at and would appreciate specific allocation records/justification:
  • $11B in drawdown authority - why when we had the lend-lease legislation?
  • $360M in R&D
  • $500M in aid to friendly foreign nations - why is the US responsible for reimbursing other nations' donations? (Answer: because Lockheed/Raytheon/L3, etc can back fill those donations - my defense portfolio approves)
  • $6B in USAI - has a point referred to as "sustainment". DOD gets to decide what qualifies as its merely a transfer account.
  • $500M in munitions stock - not going to Ukraine, simply an opportunity to build up US stock outside of the typical budgeting process
  • $600M Defense production act: expanding domestic mining for minerals. Nothing to do w/ Ukraine (and very contradictory to the current admins purported stance on environmental issues)
  • $16B in "humanitarian aid & global assistance" this is ripe with opportunity for misappropriation, theres $500M that is somehow ending up in US farmers' hands. $400M for international narcotics control, $190M for "diplomatic programs" and so on.
Again, asking the question and wanting to ensure money goes where its supposed to is not a lack of support. Its smart. Not wanting to see that and having blind trust is just lazy ignorance.

Just asking questions, not taking a side, just putting a thought out there, etc. Sounds like a familiar playbook.
 
I believe that should say MiG 29. Wiki says Bulgaria has fewer than 20 functional MiGs of those two types combined, and F-16s on order. Currently We have jets in Italy, Poland, Romania, and in Greece. Let's just give Bulgaria a nod and a wink and tell them to slide those MiGs over the border to the Ukrainians. We already have their backs.
 
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Where are the men in their white coats to take him away?



Clearly this is a dangerous threat, and it's insightful that Putin keeps making nuclear threats. He knows he's losing the war. I don't know about guys in white coats, but this is the kind of talk that could lead to some guys deciding Putin needs to go in order to keep the status quo at home.
 
Page 1066-The Battle of Hastings :)

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