This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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They don’t care. It’s cultural. The mothers and wives in that country don’t care if their “loved ones” die for nothing. You can see it in the text messages from the start of the war. Russia is a broken culture.
Per this some of the Leopard 1s could arrive in weeks. Some others are claiming they will need to be refurbished and could take months. I hope this is not just semantics and they start arriving soon.
"Germany approved permission to export Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine from its stocks, informed on Friday, German government spokesman Steffen Hebestreit. The total number of tanks is 88 pieces, they are in the warehouses of the manufacturer Rheinmetall. According to Hebestreit, deliveries could begin in the coming weeks.
“Leopard 1” – the previous model of the main tank in service with the Bundeswehr, since the mid-1980s they are no longer produced, giving way to a more modern modification – “Leopard 2”. However, Leopards 1 are still in service with many armies around the world and are constantly being updated. The cost of 88 tanks that Ukraine can get, is more than 100 million euros."
https://www.easternherald.com/2023/02/03/germany-to-donate-88-leopard-1-tanks-to-ukraine/
"Germany approved permission to export Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine from its stocks, informed on Friday, German government spokesman Steffen Hebestreit. The total number of tanks is 88 pieces, they are in the warehouses of the manufacturer Rheinmetall. According to Hebestreit, deliveries could begin in the coming weeks.
“Leopard 1” – the previous model of the main tank in service with the Bundeswehr, since the mid-1980s they are no longer produced, giving way to a more modern modification – “Leopard 2”. However, Leopards 1 are still in service with many armies around the world and are constantly being updated. The cost of 88 tanks that Ukraine can get, is more than 100 million euros."
https://www.easternherald.com/2023/02/03/germany-to-donate-88-leopard-1-tanks-to-ukraine/
First there was the Hitler Youth, now we have Putin Youth.
The only population that matters to them are those in the major city centers. As long as the losses are contained to rural areas and minority groups the politicians will be insulated. Once moscow starts feeling real effects then things change.
We seem to be trying to understate the long range missiles included under "precision guided missiles" it seems.
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First the M1 tanks debacle-they have to be built and may not arrive this year. And now the administration is pretending to send the extended range weapons but they have not even been contracted for yet! (According to this.) Which side is the Biden administration on?
"The new rockets announced on Friday, which can travel over 80 miles, will help Ukrainian forces “conduct operations in defense of their country, and to take back their sovereign territory in Russian occupied areas,” Pentagon spokesperson Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder told reporters.
They will not be drawn from existing American stockpiles however, meaning it will take months for Boeing and the U.S. government to agree on the terms of the contract and get them to the battlefield. That timeline means they will likely not be available for the warm-weather offensives Ukraine is planning this year.
Another issue is that the bomb can’t be launched by any of Ukraine’s current equipment. Ukrainian engineers have been working on retrofits for ground launchers for several months.
Much to the disappointment of some in Kyiv, the last few tranches of aid have not included the weapon.
But there’s real appetite on Capitol Hill to provide Ukrainians with longer-range munitions, along with tanks and other weapons. A senior congressional aide argued the administration had been holding up the process of approving the bomb despite overcoming “the mental hurdle of the range and escalation dynamics” of a longer-range munition because of the need to retrofit it.
“It’s a timeline that’s measured in months,” the aide said of adapting the weapon to a ground launcher. The aide asked not to be named in order to speak candidly.
House Armed Services Chair Mike Rogers (R-Ala.) had accused the Biden administration of dragging its feet on providing the system to Ukraine.
“GLSDB should have been approved last fall,” Rogers said in a recent statement. “Every day it’s not approved is a day it’s delayed getting it into the hands of a Ukrainian ready to kill a Russian.”
www.politico.com
"The new rockets announced on Friday, which can travel over 80 miles, will help Ukrainian forces “conduct operations in defense of their country, and to take back their sovereign territory in Russian occupied areas,” Pentagon spokesperson Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder told reporters.
They will not be drawn from existing American stockpiles however, meaning it will take months for Boeing and the U.S. government to agree on the terms of the contract and get them to the battlefield. That timeline means they will likely not be available for the warm-weather offensives Ukraine is planning this year.
Another issue is that the bomb can’t be launched by any of Ukraine’s current equipment. Ukrainian engineers have been working on retrofits for ground launchers for several months.
Much to the disappointment of some in Kyiv, the last few tranches of aid have not included the weapon.
But there’s real appetite on Capitol Hill to provide Ukrainians with longer-range munitions, along with tanks and other weapons. A senior congressional aide argued the administration had been holding up the process of approving the bomb despite overcoming “the mental hurdle of the range and escalation dynamics” of a longer-range munition because of the need to retrofit it.
“It’s a timeline that’s measured in months,” the aide said of adapting the weapon to a ground launcher. The aide asked not to be named in order to speak candidly.
House Armed Services Chair Mike Rogers (R-Ala.) had accused the Biden administration of dragging its feet on providing the system to Ukraine.
“GLSDB should have been approved last fall,” Rogers said in a recent statement. “Every day it’s not approved is a day it’s delayed getting it into the hands of a Ukrainian ready to kill a Russian.”
New U.S. aid package includes longer-range bombs for Ukraine
The weapon, the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb, is made up of a precision-guided 250-pound bomb strapped to a rocket motor and fired from a ground launcher.
www.politico.com
And then there is this...Pretty much samesies:
Sick fuks.
UPPER SANDUSKY, Ohio (WJW) – Several state lawmakers and community members are demanding answers after reports that parents in Upper Sandusky are using neo-Nazi approved curriculum for home schooling.
“Nazi home schooling is very surprising and shocking,” said state Rep. Casey Weinstein, (D) District 34. “I think we need answers as to what gaps allowed this to happen.”
An online news article claims an Upper Sandusky couple is running a messaging app group connecting other parents in Nazi-based home schooling. The couple go by the online name the Saxtons."
https://fox8.com/news/state-rep-inv...report-of-a-nazi-based-homeschooling-network/
200k casualties.
The initial Russia invasion force was estimated a 150k
How many troops has Russia sent into invasion of Ukraine?
Estimates of the total number of Russian forces involved in the invasion of Ukraine vary but around 150,000 troops are thought to be deployed in total.
If the 200k is accurate you'd be thinking we'd be seeing a Russian collapse....maybe they're accurate but even with conscription of 300k you're talking a total decimation of their experienced troops/units.
You'd think we'd see a greater degradation of their fighting capabilities.
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Well they launched a full scale invasion and after having LOST ground in the fall, have been unable to make any forward progress since.
I guess in my mind that is a pretty significant "degradation of their fighting capabilities."
How would you feel about the U.S. military's fighting capability had it tried to invade Mexico, got stopped short of Mexico City, forced to retreat back to around 100 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border and was bogged down in a nearly year-long stalemate there since?
I don't think we would ever know, but I bet at least half would be the cannon fodder conscripts that Putin called up. I'd love to see how many from the original force are still there.
I totally agree that they've been significantly degraded but those are absolutely catastrophic numbers. 200k casualties from an original 150k invasion force.....the Russians threw in a ton of reserves to make up losses plus the conscriptions but they've held the line and have made small gains the last couple months. Continue to launch small attacks....
It's hard to fathom how they could have taken losses that heavy but keep plugging along....I guess they're gluttons for punishment.
If the 200k number is in fact true....something just doesn't jive. Maybe the Ukrainian losses are higher than reported? Maybe the Ukrainians are letting the Russians bleed themselves out so they can smash them in the spring?
Just a head scratcher for me...
I mean, they are losing 500-1000 guys a day last 90 days to a country not even in top 30 militarily.200k casualties.
The initial Russia invasion force was estimated a 150k
How many troops has Russia sent into invasion of Ukraine?
Estimates of the total number of Russian forces involved in the invasion of Ukraine vary but around 150,000 troops are thought to be deployed in total.en.as.com
If the 200k is accurate you'd be thinking we'd be seeing a Russian collapse....maybe they're accurate but even with conscription of 300k you're talking a total decimation of their experienced troops/units.
You'd think we'd see a greater degradation of their fighting capabilities.
I bet they are top-25 by now. Still not ready for the playoffs, but Team Ukraine is definitely trending in the right direction.
You should have realized, by now, that the WH/DOD doesn't publicize everything they are doing. Whether it be intelligence gathering, training Ukrainian troops, coordinating with NATO, or any other of a myriad of aid to Zelenski.First the M1 tanks debacle-they have to be built and may not arrive this year. And now the administration is pretending to send the extended range weapons but they have not even been contracted for yet! (According to this.) Which side is the Biden administration on?
"The new rockets announced on Friday, which can travel over 80 miles, will help Ukrainian forces “conduct operations in defense of their country, and to take back their sovereign territory in Russian occupied areas,” Pentagon spokesperson Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder told reporters.
They will not be drawn from existing American stockpiles however, meaning it will take months for Boeing and the U.S. government to agree on the terms of the contract and get them to the battlefield. That timeline means they will likely not be available for the warm-weather offensives Ukraine is planning this year.
Another issue is that the bomb can’t be launched by any of Ukraine’s current equipment. Ukrainian engineers have been working on retrofits for ground launchers for several months.
Much to the disappointment of some in Kyiv, the last few tranches of aid have not included the weapon.
But there’s real appetite on Capitol Hill to provide Ukrainians with longer-range munitions, along with tanks and other weapons. A senior congressional aide argued the administration had been holding up the process of approving the bomb despite overcoming “the mental hurdle of the range and escalation dynamics” of a longer-range munition because of the need to retrofit it.
“It’s a timeline that’s measured in months,” the aide said of adapting the weapon to a ground launcher. The aide asked not to be named in order to speak candidly.
House Armed Services Chair Mike Rogers (R-Ala.) had accused the Biden administration of dragging its feet on providing the system to Ukraine.
“GLSDB should have been approved last fall,” Rogers said in a recent statement. “Every day it’s not approved is a day it’s delayed getting it into the hands of a Ukrainian ready to kill a Russian.”
New U.S. aid package includes longer-range bombs for Ukraine
The weapon, the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb, is made up of a precision-guided 250-pound bomb strapped to a rocket motor and fired from a ground launcher.
Biden doesn't telegraph or brag about helping Ukraine and I think that's the best approach. I'd bet my 401k that they are in daily contact with Poland/UK/France/Germany and others in strategy sessions.
Meanwhile Russia is not even getting AP votes for top 25.
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I'm sure that is true to some extent but at this point would feel more comfortable with the UK saying they were sending them. In this other article, they also have some sources saying it could take 9 months to get the missiles there.
Of the big 3 things Ukraine is requesting, two may not even get there this year (long range missiles and Abrams tanks) while Western aircraft aren't even being considered, probably due to them being impractical. I read that the West can take 5 YEARS to train pilots.
The US is sending a lot of other stuff but I fear some in the State Dept are still dragging their heals on what Ukraine really needs but may tick off Putin.
"Manufactured by Boeing and Saab, GLSDB is a gliding rocket with a small bomb attached, capable of striking a target within one metre of its position.
And it can be fired from a variety of weapons systems, including the Himars and M270 MLRS systems already in use in Ukraine. However, both the Pentagon and Boeing refused to comment on delivery dates for the system, with some reports suggesting that it could take up to nine months before it reaches Ukraine.
The new package - which will also include additional Himars missiles and 250 Javelin anti-armour systems - comes amid mounting concerns that Western nations have been too slow to provide fresh military aid to Ukraine.
"GLSDB should have been approved last fall, US House of Representatives Armed Services Chair Mike Rogers said in a tweet. "Every day it's not approved is a day it's delayed getting it into the hands of a Ukrainian ready to kill a Russian."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64518532
Nice training video and timely as some on here have asked how it all works.
Don't know how accurate it is (Spain said they could not send that many tanks) but the total even being close gives Putin something to worry about.
Lemme guess, that's in Jim Jordan's district?
The bleed them out is my read. Reports are that Wagner just sends them forward in mass with little hope of succeeding allowing Ukraine to mow them down, but in hopes that it gives up positions that they can then hit with artillery. However Ukraine's artillery is much more mobile and they tend to hit and then quickly move. So Russia is happily throwing conscripts and others forward as fodder and launching tons of artillery at them. Ukraine seems content for now to let them continue to blead their artillery and hit back positions in hopes that they'll start to struggle on logistics and replacements while they continue to be fortified by Western armories.
Well, to be fair to you, you seem rational. The Russians are not. I have a little skepticism on KIA, but then I think about what the Wagner Group did around Bakhmut, just feeding meat sacks into enemy fire, and the general lack of concern about properly training and equipping their soldiers right from the start, I think the numbers are spot on. And, we are getting some anecdotal reports where researchers are trying to track death notices in Russia that support the KIA numbers.
Pretty incredible. If they get their ass kicked in the apparent offensive they’re gonna launch you’d think they’d start to fall apart. Or one would hope…
If they had any brains they’d hunker down and let the Ukrainians come at them. Fortunately their leadership seems pretty brain dead at this point.
Right on the edge of his district, but not in it.
I‘m continuously amazed by the Ukrainian fighters.
Rumors that Putin is pushing his military to gain ground to save face. Can only hope it works out like the Battle of the Bulge where coming out and going on the offensive instead of the defensive, actually shortens the war.
That’s what the battleground Ukraine podcast said in the last episode.
They think Putin is taking one last roll of the dice…all or nothing.
