This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

[lucas80]

So...Germany is officially off the shit list?

Ukraine updates: Germany approves over 100 tanks to Kyiv – DW – 02/07/2023

Germany, Denmark and the Netherlands say they plan to provide Ukraine with at least 100 refurbished Leopard 1 battle tanks. Meanwhile, Russian forces continue to shell civilian targets in Ukraine. DW has the latest.

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No, let's keep the heat on them so they don't go wobbly. How fast will they get there is critical. I hope people in Germany are waking up like people in the Baltics and the Southern European NATO nations as to the fact that Russia is not going to stop at Ukraine.

 

[lucas80]

The missile has a range of approximately 560 km (300 nmi; 350 mi). It is powered by a turbojet at Mach 0.8 and can be carried by the now retired RAF Tornado GR4, Italian Tornado IDS, Saab Gripen, Dassault Mirage 2000 and Dassault Rafale aircraft.

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Yummy. A big warhead with the range to hit Sevastopol, and it's a fire and forget missile. Now, which of these platforms will they be fired from, and how soon until Ukraine gets them.

 

[h-hawk]

Wonder if there is a death penalty for aiding the enemy.

 

[Joes Place]

I'm just worried the country breaks up and they basically end up with a bunch of Oligarch warlords selling nukes for cash.

Why would oligarch warlords want to make themselves wanted for crimes against humanity, and not be able to travel to any of their Western properties? They are smarter than this.

 

[Joes Place]

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How would Article V "drain Ukraine resources"?

It would supplement them, and mean the end of Russia's military, entirely.

 

[Joes Place]

This is going to be a lot messier than what Putin's normal death would have been without this Ukraine episode,... I can picture a collapse of the whole of Russian society, dissolution of member states, the expansion of organized crime, and incursions by outside nations attempting to capitalize on the situation

They'd all nuke each other.

Win-win.

 

[h-hawk]

Russian headline - Russian tank chases German tank out of Ukraine.

 

[lucas80]

Backchannel communications with who?

If you comb through the sanctions lists we've left a lot of people off, and some on the lists can be moved off rapidly. If there is a change of leadership it will be because of the war, and whoever is left standing will be ready to talk about saving the Russian economy. I appreciate your repeated concerns about loose nukes, but nations like to hold onto them. We've done pretty well at this, and, China will be a muscular partner for once. They do not want nukes sloshing around the world.

 

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[h-hawk]

Well it's going somewhere.

 

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[noleclone2]

Some shit is going down. Russia may have exited dead cat bounce stage.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Why would oligarch warlords want to make themselves wanted for crimes against humanity, and not be able to travel to any of their Western properties? They are smarter than this.

They can’t travel to western countries now 😂

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

If you comb through the sanctions lists we've left a lot of people off, and some on the lists can be moved off rapidly. If there is a change of leadership it will be because of the war, and whoever is left standing will be ready to talk about saving the Russian economy. I appreciate your repeated concerns about loose nukes, but nations like to hold onto them. We've done pretty well at this, and, China will be a muscular partner for once. They do not want nukes sloshing around the world.

I agree…but I think folks thinking Putin falling from power will be a repeat of the fall of the Soviet Union are deluding themselves. I’m thinking it’ll be much more chaotic but we’ll see.

 

[noleclone2]

 

[h-hawk]

WTF?

 

[Bonerfarts]

Go time

 

[Tenacious E]

Some shit is going down. Russia may have exited dead cat bounce stage.

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Looking forward to the body count in the morning!

 

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[h-hawk]

"An unpleasant situation for Russian worms"

 

[DFSNOLE]

Russia may have lost up to half of its operational tank fleet in Ukraine, monitoring group says​

By Brad Lendon, CNN
Updated 4:26 AM EST, Thu February 9, 2023

CNN —
Russia has potentially lost up to half of all its operational tank fleet since the start of the Ukraine war, according to information collected by a monitoring group, as its military struggles to meet the goals of Vladimir Putin’s invasion.

Oryx, an open source intelligence website, has been collecting visual evidence of military equipment losses in Ukraine since Russia’s invasion began on February 24, 2022.

The group said this week it has verified 1,000 distinct Russian tank losses in the war. It said a further 544 Russian tanks had been captured by Ukrainian forces, 79 damaged and 65 abandoned.

That toll does not include losses Oryx has not been able to visually confirm, said Jakub Janovsky, a military analyst who contributes to the Oryx blog. He estimated the actual toll could be nearer 2,000 tanks.

“Russia started the war with around 3,000 operational tanks … so there is a good chance that Russia has lost one half of (its) usable tanks” Janovsky said.

Russia may have lost up to half of its operational tank fleet in Ukraine, monitoring group says | CNN

Russia has potentially lost up to half of all its operational tank fleet since the start of the Ukraine war, according to information collected by a monitoring group, as its military struggles to meet the goals of Vladimir Putin's invasion.

www.cnn.com

 

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[binsfeldcyhawk2]

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Russia may have lost up to half of its operational tank fleet in Ukraine, monitoring group says​

By Brad Lendon, CNN
Updated 4:26 AM EST, Thu February 9, 2023

CNN —
Russia has potentially lost up to half of all its operational tank fleet since the start of the Ukraine war, according to information collected by a monitoring group, as its military struggles to meet the goals of Vladimir Putin’s invasion.

Oryx, an open source intelligence website, has been collecting visual evidence of military equipment losses in Ukraine since Russia’s invasion began on February 24, 2022.

The group said this week it has verified 1,000 distinct Russian tank losses in the war. It said a further 544 Russian tanks had been captured by Ukrainian forces, 79 damaged and 65 abandoned.

That toll does not include losses Oryx has not been able to visually confirm, said Jakub Janovsky, a military analyst who contributes to the Oryx blog. He estimated the actual toll could be nearer 2,000 tanks.

“Russia started the war with around 3,000 operational tanks … so there is a good chance that Russia has lost one half of (its) usable tanks” Janovsky said.

Russia may have lost up to half of its operational tank fleet in Ukraine, monitoring group says | CNN

Russia has potentially lost up to half of all its operational tank fleet since the start of the Ukraine war, according to information collected by a monitoring group, as its military struggles to meet the goals of Vladimir Putin's invasion.

www.cnn.com

Huge disparity in numbers here.

Kyiv independent reports 3255 MBT losses. Oryx reports 1,000+

 

[Tenacious E]

Huge disparity in numbers here.

Kyiv independent reports 3255 MBT losses. Oryx reports 1,000+

The article said that oryx only reported those it visually confirmed.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

The article said that oryx only reported those it visually confirmed.

I'm thinking the Kyiv Independent might be a tad biased in their reporting

If the Russians actually lost that many tanks I don't think there'd be much talk of a Russian offensive.

 

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"Portugal surrenders three Leopard 2A6 tanks to Ukraine in March"

 

[Niko13]

Damn! The best ET could do was use a finger. HAHA

 

[Tenacious E]

I'm thinking the Kyiv Independent might be a tad biased in their reporting

If the Russians actually lost that many tanks I don't think there'd be much talk of a Russian offensive.

I’m sure reality is somewhere in the middle.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

If you comb through the sanctions lists we've left a lot of people off, and some on the lists can be moved off rapidly. If there is a change of leadership it will be because of the war, and whoever is left standing will be ready to talk about saving the Russian economy. I appreciate your repeated concerns about loose nukes, but nations like to hold onto them. We've done pretty well at this, and, China will be a muscular partner for once. They do not want nukes sloshing around the world.

That's assuming Russia doesn't fragment....I'm thinking if the autocrat get's tossed there's a real possibility the Russian federation breaks up....

Another wild card that didn't exist when the Soviet Union collapsed....is there's a friggin mercenary Army that one of the Oligarchs controls. I just think we're looking a real possibility of mayhem when Putin falls....and I think he will....eventually.

 

[noleclone2]

I'm thinking the Kyiv Independent might be a tad biased in their reporting

If the Russians actually lost that many tanks I don't think there'd be much talk of a Russian offensive.

They are simply using the official numbers given to them by the Ukraine government. I think the equipment numbers are likely more accurate than troops. They had to break into storage and are using 50- 70 year old tanks.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

They are simply using the official numbers given to them by the Ukraine government. I think the equipment numbers are likely more accurate than troops. They had to break into storage and are using 50- 70 year old tanks.

Pretty hard to get an accurate read on the actual situation in this war.

It's obvious the Russians have suffered horrific losses....to what degree? Who really knows except the folks that have hard intel....and I don't think the public is getting that. (for pretty good reasons)

It'll be interesting to see post war.....what the actual casualty figures were.

 

[Tenacious E]

They are simply using the official numbers given to them by the Ukraine government. I think the equipment numbers are likely more accurate than troops. They had to break into storage and are using 50- 70 year old tanks.

I was going to say the same thing. In reality, the troop number is probably actually understated if you include wounded. But, perhaps the equipment is overstated if they include badly damaged, but not destroyed equipment. Who knows though.