This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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It's definitely fallen to "page 2" but the war has been in a holding pattern for a while now.
If the Ukrainian offensive gets rolling it'll be back on page 1...
The war gets too much coverage. Twitter, Reddit and the news outlets are either filled with regurgitated or misleading information the average person is unable to process.
I think he was referring to MSM coverage....
We’ve seen the Dutch and the Brits now nudge at the US over F-16s. We’ve seen Republicans like Lindsey Graham loudly call for F-16s. When does Biden act? And, as mentioned, it doesn’t necessarily have to be F-16s. There are a few possible options. But, when does the US take the lead and give the nod and wink needed?
It started under Obama, and escalated under Biden, so it only makes sense that it's Trump's fault.
Or maybe... it's Putin's fault, and we place way too much stock in our own influence.
You might be right.
The one factor not considered by you is Obama and Biden were NEVER adversarial to NATO like Turd was. So Putin likely thought he had an ally in DJT.
It's also a concern that Vlad might be willing to drag this out in hopes the GOP House limits this WH.
One more day and they could reach 200,000 Russian troops gone
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Ukraine has mastered the informational/social media warfare space.
Here is a counteroffensive “hype” video directly aimed at RUS military forces:
Here is a counteroffensive “hype” video directly aimed at RUS military forces:
Russia has 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one!
Ukraine was not ready to wage war in 2014. Obama and the U.S. military could not/ should not have gotten the backing from NATO for a war Ukraine could not win. That’s why the President and military leaders sent experts into Ukraine to start training and building the Ukrainian military because everyone knew what Putin’s next step was.
When the day came for Putin to start a full scale invasion, Ukraine was ready and willing to die for their freedom. Now we are seeing the results of the forethought taken in defending democracy. Putin is going to lose his 3 day war and much of that was due to the United States of America. Instead of going through all the crap President Trump was doing and saying about Ukraine and Russia during his term I will just paste what Trump said when Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022.
“I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump said in a radio interview with “The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.” “He used the word ‘independent’ and ‘we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.’ You gotta say that’s pretty savvy.”
Make no mistake, President Biden helped lead the way for Ukraine to defeat Vladimir Putin.
I wonder what the condition of the Ukrainian runways are....said this before but the F-16 is a FOD magnet with the location of the intake. Runways have to be in good condition....
We couldn't bring them to an airfield outside Bratislava a couple decades ago because of the condition of the airfield...brought the A-10's though.
They steal his stuff and run.
Worst. Country. Ever.
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Brothers in Arms. LOL
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At his point, given their resourcefulness and successes, I’m going to just assume the Ukrainians have a plan.
I’m sure they do…
Unfortunately even if we approved F-16’s right now they wouldn’t go into action for quite a while.
i don’t claim to know much about them, but I have read that f-16s would be grist for the mill when faced with Russia’s SAMs. Unless they are just used to fire missiles from afar, it seems they could use jets that provide close and medium range tactical air support. Not sure what that jet would be.
Way to go France - Zelensky’s good will tour is paying dividends!
Except for the
“A small incursion is ok” talk.
The F-16’s are a much better munitions platform than the MIG-29. They’d carry out the SEAD mission much better than the MIG-29 because they can utilize HARM’s much better than the MIG.
You’re right that until Russian air defenses are neutralized the F-16’s would need to keep their distance….but that’s where more efficient use of HARMS comes in.
Anyway…they’d be an upgrade for sure…but definitely would be limited by Russian SAM capabilities.
For those that think the A-10 has no place on the Ukraine battlefield, note that the Su-25 this guy has flown 300 missions in is the Russian close-support version of the A-10.
The F-16 would play a big role in a Ukrainian offensive. Right now, there's a stalemate with SAMs keeping either side from flying over the front lines. The Ukrainian offense needs to break through and drive dozens of miles into Russian held territory - far beyond the protection of many of their SAM batteries. F-16s or other modern western fighters could still provide substantial long-range air cover over fast-advancing units until SAM batteries can be brought forward.
True, but a few days ago you voiced a concern that Western interest might wane. Offering up an expensive, complex weapons platform like this would show long term commitment.
