This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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CNN has been on Russia exclusively since 5 am.
At the absolutely minimum, this is great for Ukraine near term, even if nothing massive comes about with Wagner/Russian MoD/Putin.
Russia's most effective weapon was Wagner, so removing them from the battlefield is huge. Plus, the focus of the Russian military now being on Wagner, and possibly Belarus, even temporarily, can help Ukraine make big moves quickly.
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...and the Russians were our allies in WWII
Things move fast sometimes, Cletus, and you gotta keep up with the events on the ground.
It’s not just that the replacement may or may not be better. Nukes have been on the table since Russia started the war, Putin has threatened them plenty. Ultimately you want a void that one of the preferred oligarchs can take control. Putin May have gone MIA. Ultimately this results in likely a full win for Ukraine- isn’t that the preferred outcome? For that to occur Putin had to lose and ultimately get overthrown. Putin started this there is no other outcome other than letting Putin continue to take territory.
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It's shocking to watch Sky or BBC coverage of pretty much anything and realize how bad network coverage here is
Not just "the guy" who gets to lead; WHO you put in charge of Congress.
Russian puppets and mouthpieces?
Or folks who actually want to challenge Russia/China and put policies in place that strengthen Main St and America. The people who tried to overthrow the 2020 election would not be solid choices, in case anyone's confused on that point.
I think we have a pretty good idea of who was being "paid cash" in America.
I’d like a win for Ukraine AND not have chaos and civil war in Russia. Cuz i could see that ending extremely badly…
Anyway, best case would be this coup spurring a internal power struggle that leads to whoever comes out on top wanting to end the war…that caused the power struggle.
Could see all this causing the Russian troops in Ukraine to become shaky and collapse so maybe Ukraine just ends up kicking the bastards out on their own.
They're going to use those nukes against America/Europe, when their goal is to just win control of their own Russian territories?
Nuking anywhere outside Russian territory is a death sentence, and none of them want to die - they want to be the next Czar.
Dude, just stop pretending to be an expert in everything.
Why was Wagner attacked? That doesn't seem so smart now.
How does that occur - Putin brings everyone home says the war was just a misunderstanding and that the Nazis were defeated. There was no way Ukraine wins and Putin retains power.
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I think it was BS and fake and the “reason” they gave to launch this coup that, judging from how has been implemented, and is already nearing Moscow, appears to have been planned for months.
Basically went from “ahhh you killed some of our men” to “taking” big cities and military bases in Russia in 18 hours. It was all planned.
Yep
I'd posted the FBI "flyer" several pages ago.
He's not "America's" or "Ukraine's" savior here - he's a mercenary and mob boss.
I ain't rooting for him; I'm rooting for them to "off" one another and give Ukraine (and Belarus) the window of opportunity to expel Russian occupation and influences from their own countries.
My guess is they'll weaken each other, and another oligarch will step in and take control. But it could end up being 4 or 5 of them all jockeying for territory, turning Russia into a bunch of 3rd world countries.
The issue is ad always has been proliferation. Last thing we need is some douchebag trying to make bank selling nukes to terrorist groups
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I wonder if Wagner didn’t do a false flag on itself? If Prigozhin sensed he was in trouble this would be a logical way for him to claim justification for an insurrection.
I don’t worry about that. I worry about loss/sale of weapons.
I'm still trying to catch up in this thread, bro.
And waiting for the dewy grass to dry a little before hitting the lawn quick.
You didn't realize that Russia fought with the Allies in WWII?
Jeebus - read a frickin' book someday.
Some good commentary this morning on CNN, and as discussed throughout the thread. Russia isn't ruled by a government. It's an organized crime syndicate. What is going on right now is multiple capos turning on each other, and the boss is in trouble.
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He may be worse than putin. Things will not change if he's the one in power.
Lost in all of this “must see tv” is current events on the field of battle. You would think that Wagner forces leaving, for instance, might create opportunities for advance. Similarly, as Chechen and regular Orc troops are summoned back into country.
There are surely some chances to exploit the orc preoccupation with the Wagner theatrics.
Slava Ukraini!!
There are surely some chances to exploit the orc preoccupation with the Wagner theatrics.
Slava Ukraini!!
Wow. Just wow.
No one is saying politics aren’t germane. I have extremely strong thoughts on who should NOT be our next president,. All we are saying is start a new thread and let’s keep this one with all of the oars pulling in the same direction, to the best of our abilities.
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Lib TV just had a rebel from Georgia on. He's been fighting Russians for decades. Couple this with what's going on in Belarus, and this is going to spin out of control for Putin very fast. Kazakhstan, Georgia, Belarus, Azerbaijan... All of these areas are ripe for dissent to erupt.
Rostov is a key logistics hub for the Russians. How long until this directly impacts Russia's operations inside Ukraine? How soon until the Ukrainians can work their way through all of the trenches and minefields, and exploit this turmoil?
My feeling is Prigozhin, if he comes out on top, will end the war immediately as he consolidates power.
The #1 priority for the West right now is to avoid Russian provocations. I expect a Russian jet to fire on a NATO aircraft, or shots to be fired across the border in to a Baltic State in the next 24-48 hours. Putin now needs a us against them moment.
Lib TV just had a rebel from Georgia on. He's been fighting Russians for decades. Couple this with what's going on in Belarus, and this is going to spin out of control for Putin very fast. Kazakhstan, Georgia, Belarus, Azerbaijan... All of these areas are ripe for dissent to erupt.
Rostov is a key logistics hub for the Russians. How long until this directly impacts Russia's operations inside Ukraine? How soon until the Ukrainians can work their way through all of the trenches and minefields, and exploit this turmoil?
My feeling is Prigozhin, if he comes out on top, will end the war immediately as he consolidates power.
The #1 priority for the West right now is to avoid Russian provocations. I expect a Russian jet to fire on a NATO aircraft, or shots to be fired across the border in to a Baltic State in the next 24-48 hours. Putin now needs a us against them moment.
Great analogy. If I was a betting man, the goat ****ing capo will flip on Putin soon.
Oops, I meant “speed of light” implosion of leadership. My bad!
Pure speculation on my part, but you have to think Wagner received some agreement from Ukraine. We know they have been communicating for months now.
Yeah - I know wah wah wah, no politics. Blow me.
Ok I am caught up now @RollingBallofButcherKnives. I read all 1,387 pages
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It is pretty eye opening. For example CNN has been rotating through random people to get their “expert opinions” all morning. I switch to BBC and they’re breaking news reading an actual statement from the Moscow mayor himself.
