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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Why are we bringing "communism" into the reality here that this is authoritarians trying to maintain power?

Giving up 1/3 of Ukraine to an authoritarian, under the guise of "peace", is only going to give him time to reload and try again.
That is where you are wrong. You are letting your American culture bias get in the way. In 20 years, the killed will still be dead and both countries will move on. Aside from Nukes, Russian and Mexico have very similar economies and population size. This isn't Germany in 1939. The corruption is similar as well as cartels/mafia.

Russia doesn't have the capability of major expansion.

Are you willing to sacrifice Iowa City for the Donbas? Are you willing to give up your life, your child's life? Taken a step further if you think Putin is really trying to expand further....

He can be contained. He originally said he wanted Donbas, Crimea, and Mariupol. He went for more, but he won't keep gaining unless Ukraine collapses which could happen if this stupid war goes on. Ukraine isn't winning this anytime soon and eventually, there will be a million dead.
 
This is the U.S.’s fault is the worst take on the internet. So I will continue to cheerlead every destroyed Russian tank because the decimation of Russia’s army will matter a LOT in 50 years.
I never said that. You coined it to make your narrative.
 
Of course that is correct. Only a dipshit would come back with what you did. I actually know people who were in Bucha, one of which was later severely wounded after being drafted, losing his arm. What the US did at My Lai, No Gun Ri, and so forth were not done by nice people. War is hell. I am pro Ukraine, but Azov I know for certain fired on fleeing civilians at Mariupol. The Kremenchuk mall was being used as a weapons depot while fully functional as a weapons depot.

In the end in Vietnam, over 1.3 millions people died, the majority of which were civilians. Over what? What good in the long run?

This thread looks like a propaganda piece. Ukraine, like Russia is suffering major losses. It was posted how great Bradley's are when over 25 percent are already out of action (maybe more). It's a hellish war and in 30 years, none of this will matter. The way some post on here one would think the war will be over in days. In may be, but it is just as likely that Ukraine will collapse as the Russian forces. I have friends in Moscow. I have Ukrainian friends in Russia. Right now I'm concerned about a 21 yo college student that I've known since he was 18 months old facing military duty upon graduation in May. I have a female friend that narrowly escaped a missile strike. A farm friend who had Russian missiles shot down over his house.

The thread reads like a Hawkeye homer thread. People are dying. Terrible situation brought on by a number of factors including and foremost a dictator (Putin) who didn't develop the economy past natural resources and military weapons, Ukrainians oligarch/politicians who wanted to gain through corruption and no one stopped them. US leaders, some motivated by capital gain not properly reading Russian culture, history and mindset to understand the gravity of the situation.

Ukraine is not winning this war. Neither is Russia, though I'd guess Russia has more fortitude than the US.
Videos of tanks crossing pontoon bridges or moving in the open field is not at the front line of either side.
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Lmao. Every single one of your bullet points says exactly that.
I said what could have been done when asked. I started any of this by saying Putin is terrible and ultimately responsible. You left that part out along the way. Putin is a paranoid bad leader causing the deaths of a lot of people. The US could have been more proactive in preventing this. Biden in my opinion did bait the enemy. The enemy took that bait.

You honestly don't think in this country that decisions aren't made for corporate profits?
 
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I said what could have been done when asked. I started any of this by saying Putin is terrible and ultimately responsible. You left that part out along the way. Putin is a paranoid bad leader causing the deaths of a lot of people. The US could have been more proactive in preventing this. Biden in my opinion did bait the enemy. The enemy took that bait.

You honestly don't think in this country that decisions aren't made for corporate profits?
For the record anybody who is an obvious troll for Russias position I block. There is not a single argument that justifies what Russia has done to Ukraine. So, good riddance FarmTroll
 
Poltavaska Region.
So they’re Ukrainian?
Since he’s 21 he doesn’t have to worry about being drafted in May.

26 Dec 2023

Ukraine has proposed reducing the age of those who can be mobilised into the armed forces from 27 to 25 after the military said it needed as many as 500,000 more soldiers in its now 22-month-long war against Russia.
The age reduction was in the text of a draft law posted on the website of Ukraine’s parliament late on Monday.
The text detailed which Ukrainian citizens would be subject to enrolment for military registration of conscripts and said it would apply to those “who have reached the age of 25”.
 
You can if you want. I'm hardly a Russian troll. I've spent a lot of time there. Bye
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You certainly have a sense of humor. Still a registered Republican who will not vote for Orange. The good thing is that neither one of us lives there or Russia. Seriously though enjoy the day and learn to engage in crtical thinking/discussion. The world is never black and white. Just like KF. Love him or despise him, you can't paint him all one way.
 
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So they’re Ukrainian?
Since he’s 21 he doesn’t have to worry about being drafted in May.

26 Dec 2023

Ukraine has proposed reducing the age of those who can be mobilised into the armed forces from 27 to 25 after the military said it needed as many as 500,000 more soldiers in its now 22-month-long war against Russia.
The age reduction was in the text of a draft law posted on the website of Ukraine’s parliament late on Monday.
The text detailed which Ukrainian citizens would be subject to enrolment for military registration of conscripts and said it would apply to those “who have reached the age of 25”.
That's not actually what is going to happen (re draft age). Death's equal expansion of draft age. His parents are terrified.
 
That's not actually what is going to happen (re draft age). Death's equal expansion of draft age. His parents are terrified.
Right now the age for conscription is still 27.
That’s part of the reason the average age of a Ukrainian soldier is in their 40s.
 
What could have avoided this situation?
1. Russia not invading a sovereign nation
2. Russia not invading a sovereign nation
3. Russia not invading a sovereign nation
4. Russia not invading a sovereign nation
5. Russia not invading a sovereign nation
6. Russia not invading a sovereign nation
7. Russia not invading a sovereign nation
8. Russia not invading a sovereign nation
 
He can be contained. He originally said he wanted Donbas, Crimea, and Mariupol. He went for more, but he won't keep gaining unless Ukraine collapses which could happen if this stupid war goes on. Ukraine isn't winning this anytime soon and eventually, there will be a million dead.

This is straight up propaganda. That's what was said after Crimea, Georgia, Chechnya, etc. It's a lie.
 
I said what could have been done when asked. I started any of this by saying Putin is terrible and ultimately responsible. You left that part out along the way. Putin is a paranoid bad leader causing the deaths of a lot of people. The US could have been more proactive in preventing this. Biden in my opinion did bait the enemy. The enemy took that bait.

You honestly don't think in this country that decisions aren't made for corporate profits?
I asked you what your solution is and you pulled out the wayback machine and blamed America. That's not a practical solution is it? And now you are pulling the corporate profits card? Is this Nat Algren?
 
I asked you what your solution is and you pulled out the wayback machine and blamed America. That's not a practical solution is it? And now you are pulling the corporate profits card? Is this Nat Algren?
No card. Decisions were made. Now we are in a difficult situation. War is rarely a good solution. Now too much has been done maybe. A negotiated settlement with real security behind it. I also don't believe for a minute that residence in Donbas overwhelmingly support Russia even if ethnically Russian. Nor do they want to die. War is almost always about economics. Look at Vietnam today? 1.3 million dead for what end?
 
This is straight up propaganda. That's what was said after Crimea, Georgia, Chechnya, etc. It's a lie.
Huh? Drumbeats for war aren't propaganda? Russia had a serious issue in Chechenya (Bolshoi Ballet) not a lot different than 911. Georgia, yes that was aggression though they also had islamic issues there. Crimea was 100 percent about a port on the Black Sea and US/Russian actual fighting in Syria. Russia can never have a chance against direct conflict with the US as we saw in Syria and they know it. Want to stop Russian advances.... make real on threats. Huge risk though. Ukrainians using older gen US weapons against Russia isn't going anywhere including F16s and Abrams. Ukraine will never fly sorties which is what is needed against Russian air defenses. Abrams light up like torches from Russian satellites. The US support isn't all that serious. Old weapons. More deaths.
 
Ukraine will never fly sorties which is what is needed against Russian air defenses.
Well, something is firing HARM and SCALP-EG missiles into Russian air defenses and targets in Crimea.
Pretty sure it is Ukrainian sorties.

Abrams light up like torches from Russian satellites.
Ok, we've confirmed you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Well, something is firing HARM and SCALP-EG missiles into Russian air defenses and targets in Crimea.
Pretty sure it is Ukrainian sorties.


Ok, we've confirmed you don't know what you're talking about.
A sortie (well sorties) implies using multiple aircraft singularly together and drawing out the enemy. Ukraine will never have the ability to do that against Russian radar. I seriously doubt any jet-mounted missiles were flying close to operational Russian batteries. The US could control most of Ukraine with a small number of Gen 5 aircraft. F 16s flown by Ukrainian pilot won't make a dent.

Russia and Ukraine are both getting better. The UA Army of 14 years ago was awful. Been on military bases there. Terrible actually. Now they are better like the North in the Civil War getting better into the best army in the world in 1865

About Abrams, there are a lot of issues. In the hands of the US they are formidable due to synchronized team work. Ukraine can't do that.
 
WW2, US supply lines were stretched and the US was perfectly content to let the Germans and Soviets kill each other for US gain.

Make no mistake Putin is ruthless. As we cheerlead the Ukrainians in a deadly stalemate that they cannot win, a nation is being destroyed. People, good people on both sides are dying in a situation they have no control of.

The videos some of you keep cheerleading are half of the story. Kind of sickening.

Eat shit Putin lover.
 
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