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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Cool story Joe. You don't make the other guy the asshole when you are commiting crimes. If they do that shit there will be continued hell to pay, what you suggested is Kidnaping at minimum and likely a way higher crime for someone that knows the laws of war. The smartest thing Ukraine has done to gain and keep the world support is not doing dumb shit like you suggested. Ukraine has a sketchy past itself, if they start doing super unethical shit people are going to fall out of favor. I know at the end of the day your opinion isn't going to make Ukrainians start kidnapping people's family's but your opinion here was dumb.
 
If you ever need a check of the scoreboard on how our current president is responding

Our current President has conducted a masterful campaign in getting NATO and Western nations united against Putin, in case you weren't aware on that point.

Condoleezza Rice publicly stated that she "did not think this was even possible" to accomplish.
 
Our current President has conducted a masterful campaign in getting NATO and Western nations united against Putin, in case you weren't aware on that point.

Condoleezza Rice publicly stated that she "did not think this was even possible" to accomplish.
He is getting more and more pressure to respond daily was the point Joe. We are seeing more lip service about the last guy because more and more people are thinking it is time foe him to act.
 
I hate Russia and I am honestly disappointed in average Russians who have no balls to call Putin out. Pathetic.
Yeah. If you look at their history these last 120 years, and it sure seems they have an affinity to being dominated and repressed by authoritarian types. Not sure if it is the rampant alcoholism and cold weather, but it seems to be overall a bitter and barbaric country.
 
Yeah. If you look at their history these last 120 years, and it sure seems they have an affinity to being dominated and repressed by authoritarian types. Not sure if it is the rampant alcoholism and cold weather, but it seems to be overall a bitter and barbaric country.
120 years? Try the last millenium or so. Culturally, and maybe genetically, most Russians are basically sheep.
 
Yeah. If you look at their history these last 120 years, and it sure seems they have an affinity to being dominated and repressed by authoritarian types. Not sure if it is the rampant alcoholism and cold weather, but it seems to be overall a bitter and barbaric country.
It goes back way before that.
 
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I saw where Ukraine earlier scuttled the best ship in their fleet. Based on this admittedly scant evidence. Their admiral should be hanged.

 
It goes back way before that.
For sure-but lordy these last 100 years have been brutal and deadly, The Russian Revolution and Rise of Communism and then Stalin WWII and great Purge then Cold War with west and now 20 years of Putin...they got a 10 year respite in the 1990s...
 
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For sure-but lordy these last 100 years have been brutal and deadly, The Russian Revolution and Rise of Communism and then Stalin WWII and great Purge then Cold War with west and now 20 years of Putin...they got a 10 year respite in the 1990s...
Yes. Mechanized war is exponentially more deadly.
 
For sure-but lordy these last 100 years have been brutal and deadly, The Russian Revolution and Rise of Communism and then Stalin WWII and great Purge then Cold War with west and now 20 years of Putin...they got a 10 year respite in the 1990s...
Don't sell the 19th century short. A political culture lurching back and forth between liberalisation and reactionary authoritarianism every time a tsar died.
 
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