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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Maybe you didn't listen to what Elon said when you said: "Hard to believe this was ever a controversial take." He said "the fighter jet era has passed" - as in past tense. He didn't say that "unmanned has been the future of the air for awhile."
Here's what he said in 2020. It's pretty clear he's trying to make a case about the future.

“The fighter jet era has passed,” Musk said to U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. John Thompson at the Air Warfare Symposium in Orlando. “Drone warfare is where the future will be. It’s not that I want the future to be – it’s just, this is what the future will be,” he added.

“The Joint Strike Fighter, there should be a competitor ... that’s a controversial subject but I don’t think it’s good to have one provider,” Musk said. He later elaborated on Twitter that the F-35 competitor should be a drone.

“The competitor should be a drone fighter plane that’s remote-controlled by a human, but with its maneuvers augmented by autonomy. The F-35 would have no chance against it,” he wrote.
 
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“The competitor should be a drone fighter plane that’s remote-controlled by a human, but with its maneuvers augmented by autonomy. The F-35 would have no chance against it,” he wrote.
Let him make it and then put it up against a manned F-35. I'm sure there is a pilot willing to take that challenge on. My money is on the F-35 absolutely obliterating the drone.
 
Let him make it and then put it up against a manned F-35. I'm sure there is a pilot willing to take that challenge on. My money is on the F-35 absolutely obliterating the drone.
Only way it happens is when long time from now we can construct large aircraft capable of ridiculous speeds and maneuverability with G forces that no human could operate at. We a long way away from that tech.
 
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Here's what he said in 2020. It's pretty clear he's trying to make a case about the future.

“The fighter jet era has passed,” Musk said to U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. John Thompson at the Air Warfare Symposium in Orlando. “Drone warfare is where the future will be. It’s not that I want the future to be – it’s just, this is what the future will be,” he added.

“The Joint Strike Fighter, there should be a competitor ... that’s a controversial subject but I don’t think it’s good to have one provider,” Musk said. He later elaborated on Twitter that the F-35 competitor should be a drone.

“The competitor should be a drone fighter plane that’s remote-controlled by a human, but with its maneuvers augmented by autonomy. The F-35 would have no chance against it,” he wrote.
He couldn't even build a minisub to rescue the soccer team and now he's building autonomous death fighters.
 
Let him make it and then put it up against a manned F-35. I'm sure there is a pilot willing to take that challenge on. My money is on the F-35 absolutely obliterating the drone.
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Only way it happens is when long time from now we can construct large aircraft capable of ridiculous speeds and maneuverability with G forces that no human could operate at. We a long way away from that tech.
Exactly. Augmented with AI and possibly controlled like a video game. I doubt we're far from that at all.
 
Let him make it and then put it up against a manned F-35. I'm sure there is a pilot willing to take that challenge on. My money is on the F-35 absolutely obliterating the drone.
Depends if the drone is stealth or not. If it's stealth, the two planes just fly around unable to find each other until they run out of gas. I suppose one of them might get lucky and just happen to spot the other. I guess it would be advantage: drone there.
 
Depends how stealthy the drone is. I don’t believe the f35 was designed for dogfighting as was displayed in its trials versus the adapt f16. The F35 was designed for stealthy BVR air combat and CAS.
 
Maybe you didn't listen to what Elon said when you said: "Hard to believe this was ever a controversial take." He said "the fighter jet era has passed" - as in past tense. He didn't say that "unmanned has been the future of the air for awhile."
Pssst, you are arguing with a retread handle. He's got all day to go back and forth, and play semantics.
 
Let him make it and then put it up against a manned F-35. I'm sure there is a pilot willing to take that challenge on. My money is on the F-35 absolutely obliterating the drone.
It takes a special sort of arrogance to think humans can outperform machine learning and performance.
 
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I presume this is primarily intended for the annexed ukranian territories? Maybe either to keep them from crossing to Ukrainian territory or to abduct civilians and take them deep into Russia so there aren't any Ukrainians left in the territory to give a damn about it?

Idk, I'm not a war strategist, but I'm assuming they're not talking about martial law for the average Russian in the middle of Russia. That would really hurt public sentiment within russia.
 
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Of course I realize that.

Just saying that if Russia's objective is to disperse Ukrainian assets to defend against thoise attacks it seems to be working. I just think Russia's objective right now is to make it to the winter "pause" and limit Ukrainian gains till then.

It's not like Russia wasn't committing war crimes before now...it just seems like those war crimes are linked to a tangible objective now. Kind of surprised they weren't attacking infrastructure from the get go.
They didn't attack infrastructure early on because the war was going to over in 7-10 days. Why blow up everything only to have to rebuild it once you take control of the country.
 
Not a drone.
Surveillance plane (picks up electronic signals).


A surveillance mission of n RAF Boeing RC-135W (reg. ZZ665) is underway. So far nothing unusual.
The strange thing is that in addition to the Rivet Joint we have also tracked two RAF Eurofigther FGR.4s (reg. ZK351, ZK362 – callsign PSYCHO61/62) that are escorting the aircraft over the Black Sea.

While the RC-135W took off from the UK, the two Typhoons departed from RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus, and carried out an in-flight refuelling over the east coast of Romania with the help of an RAF tanker, an Airbus KC.2 (reg. ZZ343), which also took off from Cyprus.

The entire mission is carried out while the aerial surveillance was provided by a NATO AWACS (Boeing E-3A, reg. LX-N90451) which took off from Geilenkirchen, Germany.
U.S. RC-135's are based at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, NE.
 
From October 12th

Ukrainian Air Force MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter jet crashed after being scrambled to intercept Russia’s Iranian-made Shahed-136 kamikaze drones in the Vinnytsia region on 12 October. Ukrainian officials claim that a Ukrainian MiG-29 Fulcrum pilot shot down five Shahed-136s and two cruise missiles of undisclosed type before being forced to eject from his fighter.

“According to one version of the investigation, near the Turbov, during the destruction of another object, the wreckage of a downed enemy drone caught the cockpit of a Ukrainian aircraft,” the State Bureau said in a release on Friday.
 
It takes a special sort of arrogance to think humans can outperform machine learning and performance.
It has nothing to do with machine learning. It has everything to do with current capabilities of drones. If we develop drones the size of combat aircraft then maybe some day people can fly them remotely as we do current drones. Eventually they may be as efficient as manned aircraft, but the technology isn't there yet which means fighter aircraft isn't over yet. The design of what they do has changed however. Dogfighting isn't a big priority any longer. That seems to be far less important than bombing runs, protecting assets on the ground, etc... Those can't be done by drones yet.

I'm also not certain I'm even close to being ready to trusting an AI to choose who gets to live or die though.
 
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