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If you've been following, we have one candidate "outside of college ball" that has applied. I don't think I'm breaking any news story that person is Ryan Bowen who seems to want the job.

I'm struggling with this because I appreciate Bowen as a former Hawk and has clearly picked some things up as an NBA assistant even winning a title in Denver. He was also in the league for a long time.

Fact still remains he's been out of college ball for a long time. What connections does he have with sleezy AAU coaches or high school programs? What does he understand about the ins and outs of NIL? Can he come in and make an impact right away?

My personal opinion is that this may not be a good fit. I don't think the NBA to college route has worked very well for head coaches.

What are your thoughts?
 
Hawkfan_08 said:
If you've been following, we have one candidate "outside of college ball" that has applied. I don't think I'm breaking any news story that person is Ryan Bowen who seems to want the job.

I'm struggling with this because I appreciate Bowen as a former Hawk and has clearly picked some things up as an NBA assistant even winning a title in Denver. He was also in the league for a long time.

Fact still remains he's been out of college ball for a long time. What connections does he have with sleezy AAU coaches or high school programs? What does he understand about the ins and outs of NIL? Can he come in and make an impact right away?

My personal opinion is that this may not be a good fit. I don't think the NBA to college route has worked very well for head coaches.

What are your thoughts?
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It worked pretty well for Fred Hoiberg at Iowa State. Maybe Ryan Bowen would be smarter than Fred and not jump to the NBA and leave a good thing going in college.

TBH, I would be in favor of hiring Bowen. I am not a fan of DeVries or McCollum. I think it’s time Iowa thinks outside the mid-major box.
 
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RagnarLothbrok said:
It worked pretty well for Fred Hoiberg at Iowa State. Maybe Ryan Bowen would be smarter than Fred and not jump to the NBA and leave a good thing going in college.

TBH, I would be in favor of hiring Bowen. I am not a fan of DeVries or McCollum. I think it’s time Iowa thinks outside the mid-major box.
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Fair, I still think McCollum is the guy because he's a winner. We did the same with Dave DiIanni and the soccer program. One of the winningist coaches in D2 and it took a bit but the Iowa women are on fire now. Constantly ranked and in the sweet 16 this year. This was for a program that rarely went to the Big Ten Tournament let alone the NCAA which we are a regular now.

BUT I won't derail the thread... this is about Bowen.
 
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He's a good hard work story as a former Hawk who hung around on NBA rosters for a long time given his relatively limited skills.
Not sure that plus being an NBA assistant for a few years makes for a good HC candidate.
 
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Randall Stanhope said:
What makes you think Bowen seems to want the job?
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It's been reported by a few local radio shows that they think Bowen is the outsider.

I've heard from people connected in the program that it's for sure him and he wants it.

FWIW, my sources didn't know Fran was for sure getting fired and never confirmed DeVries was going to be the guy.
 
Jimmy McGill said:
No chance.

Hoiberg was an anomaly that has been proven to fail.
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With all due respect, most coaching hires have “been proven to fail.” Iowa has gone the mid-major route three times in a row since Dr. Tom. Outside of a few dissenting opinions, pretty much everyone views all three of those hires as failures.

Iowa is not landing a home run hire with their current NIL situation. They just aren’t.

Bowen would be worth the risk.
 
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Hawkfan_08 said:
Fair, I still think McCollum is the guy because he's a winner. We did the same with Dave DiIanni and the soccer program. One of the winningist coaches in D2 and it took a bit but the Iowa women are on fire now. Constantly ranked and in the sweet 16 this year. This was for a program that rarely went to the Big Ten Tournament let alone the NCAA which we are a regular now.

BUT I won't derail the thread... this is about Bowen.
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If McCollum ends up being the guy, I hope he is successful.
 
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RagnarLothbrok said:
With all due respect, most coaching hires have “been proven to fail.” Iowa has gone the mid-major route three times in a row since Dr. Tom. Outside of a few dissenting opinions, pretty much everyone views all three of those hires as failures.

Iowa is not landing a home run hire with their current NIL situation. They just aren’t.

Bowen would be worth the risk.
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You might be right.....but I like folks with college bball coaching experience. It is much more tough than just knowing the game
 
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It looks like both Utah and Florida State have gone the route of hiring NBA assistants. It seems like R2B2 is as qualified as those guys.
 
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I don't hate this idea. I think this is a good fallback option.

This is sorta like Michigan hiring Howard, except Bowen has class and isn't a total douche.

EDIT: Bowen apparently has two sons. Do we know if they can hoop?
 
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I would be happy with Ryan or McCollum.

Going to take cash to buy players, either way.

McCollum probably coaches up your average team better.

Maybe Bowen is able to put together a staff that are slightly better recruiters.

Given that most of recruiting will come down to money anyway, McCollum is probably the better pick.

But I'd be happy with either. Bowen was my sneaky pick from the start
 
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Bowen, could be good but with no HC experience and being out of college ball for many years, it is only a could. Why no mention of Niko Medved the CSU coach. Did very well at Drake and has had the Rams in the Tournament three of the last four years. He has had two players drafted and will have another this year. Having said that I would be okay with Bowen. He also recruited and developed John Tonje who was the leading scorer for Wisconsin this year, after transfering from CSU.
 
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aurorabimmer said:
Bowen, could be good but with no HC experience and being out of college ball for many years, it is only a could. Why no mention of Niko Medved the CSU coach. Did very well at Drake and has had the Rams in the Tournament three of the last four years. He has had two players drafted and will have another this year. Having said that I would be okay with Bowen.
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Word on the street is MN already has Niko locked up. He’s a MN native.
 
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aurorabimmer said:
Bowen, could be good but with no HC experience and being out of college ball for many years, it is only a could. Why no mention of Niko Medved the CSU coach. Did very well at Drake and has had the Rams in the Tournament three of the last four years. He has had two players drafted and will have another this year. Having said that I would be okay with Bowen. He also recruited and developed John Tonje who was the leading scorer for Wisconsin this year, after transfering from CSU.
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Apparently he also hates someone Goetz hired in the athletic department. I know I had heard that earlier than today.
 
Other than kids today would ask “who?” I wouldn’t have a problem with it.
Sadly it comes down to money anyway. The head coach could be a janitor if the kids are getting enough money.
 
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InsaneHawkJJP said:
I really don’t care who we hire. Fran wasn’t getting it done. I’m just glad I don’t have Fran in my user name, that would be embarrassing.

P.S. I realize my username sucks, but at least it’s not Franistheman.
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Exactly what is it to mean "done"? What's job expectation, just 1 extra game at the end of the year? 1,000 more ice cream cones sold per game?
 
Brok85 said:
One thing for sure, he would teaching rebounding and defense.
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Yes sir! Jess Settles, Ryan Bowen, Greg Bruner, Nicholas Baer — rebound warriors. Defense MIA the past 15 years.
 
I see the desire to get a Big Name coach, but this is an entirely new Era. This is moneyball. Get the best players for the least NIL money.
NIL drives player acquisition, not coaches with good haircuts.

If we had hired Devries at $7million/yr, paid WVU the $5 million buyout, paid Fran his $4 million buyout, there would have been nothing left for NIL. There are a lot of sources of money the Athletic Department has...the Iowa Club/foundation is $17 million/yr---there are paths to get Iowa b-ball to $6million in NIL. We need to get to $6 million/yr in total compentsation for players (per Fran McCaffery). We're going to have $2.5 million in revenue sharing. The rest is going to have to come from ;private donatipns NIL and ticket NIL surcharges and diversion of money from donations that are now going directly to the Athletic Deparment..

Most of Big10 ADs seem to be thinking they need to compete by outspending each other on Coaching salaries. . I don't think it makes sense to be spending $4.5 million/yr on a coaching staff (number roughly what Fran and staff were getting) and then spend only $1.5 million (rumor) on NIL at Iowa.. The moneyball play is to get a guy like an up anc coming Brad Stephens that is smart, can be a gm, and get that guy on the cheap vs over paying some P4 retread and having nothing left for NIL. PLay moneyball and get a young guy that you can hire sub $2 million/yr and give him contract where his salary is tied to B-ball revenue improvements and he has upside to the $6-7 million year that top paid B1G coaches like Devrise/Izzon are making.

Brad Stephens resume as Example...Beth can ask Brad to find another Brad

Born and raised in Zionsville, Indiana, Stevens starred on the Zionsville Community High School basketball team, setting four school records. After high school, he attended DePauw University, where he played basketball and earned a degree in economics. Stevens made the all-conference team multiple times and was a three-time Academic All-America nominee. He transitioned into coaching after quitting his job at Eli Lilly and Company, joining the basketball program at Butler University as a volunteer prior to the 2000–01 season. Stevens was promoted to a full-time assistant coach the following season. After five seasons in the role, he assumed the position of head coach on April 4, 2007, after Todd Lickliter left to coach the Iowa Hawkeyes. In his first year, Stevens led Butler to 30 wins, becoming the third-youngest head coach in NCAA Division I history to have a 30-win season.
 
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HawkLogic said:
I see the desire to get a Big Name coach, but this is an entirely new Era. This is moneyball. Get the best players for the least NIL money.
NIL drives player acquisition, not coaches with good haircuts.

If we had hired Devries at $7million/yr, paid WVU the $5 million buyout, paid Fran his $4 million buyout, there would have been nothing left for NIL. There are a lot of sources of money the Athletic Department has...the Iowa Club/foundation is $17 million/yr---there are paths to get Iowa b-ball to $6million in NIL. We need to get to $6 million/yr in total compentsation for players (per Fran McCaffery). We're going to have $2.5 million in revenue sharing. The rest is going to have to come from ;private donatipns NIL and ticket NIL surcharges and diversion of money from donations that are now going directly to the Athletic Deparment..

Most of Big10 ADs seem to be thinking they need to compete by outspending each other on Coaching salaries. . I don't think it makes sense to be spending $4.5 million/yr on a coaching staff (number roughly what Fran and staff were getting) and then spend only $1.5 million (rumor) on NIL at Iowa.. The moneyball play is to get a guy like an up anc coming Brad Stephens that is smart, can be a gm, and get that guy on the cheap vs over paying some P4 retread and having nothing left for NIL. PLay moneyball and get a young guy that you can hire sub $2 million/yr and give him contract where his salary is tied to B-ball revenue improvements and he has upside to the $6-7 million year that top paid B1G coaches like Devrise/Izzon are making.

Brad Stephens resume as Example...Beth can ask Brad to find another Brad

Born and raised in Zionsville, Indiana, Stevens starred on the Zionsville Community High School basketball team, setting four school records. After high school, he attended DePauw University, where he played basketball and earned a degree in economics. Stevens made the all-conference team multiple times and was a three-time Academic All-America nominee. He transitioned into coaching after quitting his job at Eli Lilly and Company, joining the basketball program at Butler University as a volunteer prior to the 2000–01 season. Stevens was promoted to a full-time assistant coach the following season. After five seasons in the role, he assumed the position of head coach on April 4, 2007, after Todd Lickliter left to coach the Iowa Hawkeyes. In his first year, Stevens led Butler to 30 wins, becoming the third-youngest head coach in NCAA Division I history to have a 30-win season.
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I've been saying moneyball since the beginning of the whole NIL mess (which was actually clear from the very beginning that it meant pay for play).
This is roster construction based on the available payroll. The coach has to be the GM and player personnel manager. Assistants need to be redirected to evaluating players at lower levels of D1 and in D2 for potential poaching. Always keeping in mind that buying the most expensive roster doesn't equal a winning team. Coach has to be flexible in changing his playing style to reflect the players he has. Of course he can mold them to some extent; that's an expectation of guys coming from a lower level.
And I'll say again, I can live with the next guy moving on if he's successful. I might not like it, but if he gets them to a FF and then goes elsewhere for more money I'd be OK with that. I don't need the next coach to stay 15 years. Or even 10.
 
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