Thoughts on Ryan Bowen?

[HoustonREDHawk]

If Iowa is not able to pay the players on the team more in total more than the coaching staff, it is going to be difficult to have continued success. The $6M minimum NIL needed to have sustained success seems to be a reasonable number. Some programs would still have more. But, I know very little about the financial mess that college sports has become.

Personally, I love the idea of Bowen coming to coach, but that would be much more risky than McCollum. Bowen certainly knows Xs and Os, but I am not sure how he would handle recruiting and other duties. He would need an experienced right hand man.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Bowen would be fine by me if BM falls thru. Bleeds black and gold, understands the inherent challenges at Iowa, wasn’t a “star” player that can’t relate to guys that don’t have natural talent (ala Alford).

The "natural talent" over Alford made me pause for a second. Besides the ability to shoot, just what natural talent did Steve Alford posses that Ryan Bowen did not clearly have over him? Bowen was bigger, stronger, and faster. Alford was a pure shooter and that was about it.

 

[littlez]

I think it’s pretty clear now that Hoiberg is a fine coach, but TJ Otz was the secret sauce that made Hoiberg’s ISU teams so successful

Is it? 6 years at Nebraska 37-82 in the conference. 1 winning season. That’s an average of about 6-14 over 6 seasons. That would (and should) get you tossed at 95% of power 5 conferences.

 

[intrepodor]

I think it’s pretty clear now that Hoiberg is a fine coach, but TJ Otz was the secret sauce that made Hoiberg’s ISU teams so successful

And what does TJ insist on? Defense and rebounding!

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

I see the desire to get a Big Name coach, but this is an entirely new Era. This is moneyball. Get the best players for the least NIL money.
NIL drives player acquisition, not coaches with good haircuts.

If we had hired Devries at $7million/yr, paid WVU the $5 million buyout, paid Fran his $4 million buyout, there would have been nothing left for NIL. There are a lot of sources of money the Athletic Department has...the Iowa Club/foundation is $17 million/yr---there are paths to get Iowa b-ball to $6million in NIL. We need to get to $6 million/yr in total compentsation for players (per Fran McCaffery). We're going to have $2.5 million in revenue sharing. The rest is going to have to come from ;private donatipns NIL and ticket NIL surcharges and diversion of money from donations that are now going directly to the Athletic Deparment..

Most of Big10 ADs seem to be thinking they need to compete by outspending each other on Coaching salaries. . I don't think it makes sense to be spending $4.5 million/yr on a coaching staff (number roughly what Fran and staff were getting) and then spend only $1.5 million (rumor) on NIL at Iowa.. The moneyball play is to get a guy like an up anc coming Brad Stephens that is smart, can be a gm, and get that guy on the cheap vs over paying some P4 retread and having nothing left for NIL. PLay moneyball and get a young guy that you can hire sub $2 million/yr and give him contract where his salary is tied to B-ball revenue improvements and he has upside to the $6-7 million year that top paid B1G coaches like Devrise/Izzon are making.

Brad Stephens resume as Example...Beth can ask Brad to find another Brad

Born and raised in Zionsville, Indiana, Stevens starred on the Zionsville Community High School basketball team, setting four school records. After high school, he attended DePauw University, where he played basketball and earned a degree in economics. Stevens made the all-conference team multiple times and was a three-time Academic All-America nominee. He transitioned into coaching after quitting his job at Eli Lilly and Company, joining the basketball program at Butler University as a volunteer prior to the 2000–01 season. Stevens was promoted to a full-time assistant coach the following season. After five seasons in the role, he assumed the position of head coach on April 4, 2007, after Todd Lickliter left to coach the Iowa Hawkeyes. In his first year, Stevens led Butler to 30 wins, becoming the third-youngest head coach in NCAA Division I history to have a 30-win season.

So you're saying we need guys who get on base?

 

[SCHawkeye99]

I vote yes for Bowen.
Put the money toward the players.

 

[Randall Stanhope]

I don't hate the idea of Bowen, as a fall back option. (if we don't get McCollum)

Sometimes guys like Bowen can do better than expected.

 

[HawksRule73]

The "natural talent" over Alford made me pause for a second. Besides the ability to shoot, just what natural talent did Steve Alford posses that Ryan Bowen did not clearly have over him? Bowen was bigger, stronger, and faster. Alford was a pure shooter and that was about it.

I hated Alford, still do. But the guy was the leading scorer at one of the bluest of blue blood schools until Calbert Cheney came along and he only had one year with the three point line. Dude was a baller.

What I was getting at was, former players that were great players, all Americans, etc often have a hard time being successful coaches because they think everyone should be as good as they were and can’t relate to the “average” player. Bowen was self made and can certainly relate better.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I don't hate the idea of Bowen, as a fall back option. (if we don't get McCollum)

Sometimes guys like Bowen can do better than expected.

If the idea is that Bowen could be had cheaply and money redirected to payroll for the roster, I can see that. He still wouldn't be my preferred candidate. But as a fallback, in the scenario I noted, he would be OK.

 

[83Hawk]

I think it’s a bit early to be talking about guys like Ryan Bowen as coach.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

I hated Alford, still do. But the guy was the leading scorer at one of the bluest of blue blood schools until Calbert Cheney came along and he only had one year with the three point line. Dude was a baller.

What I was getting at was, former players that were great players, all Americans, etc often have a hard time being successful coaches because they think everyone should be as good as they were and can’t relate to the “average” player. Bowen was self made and can certainly relate better.

Understood

 

[desihawk]

I really don’t care who we hire. Fran wasn’t getting it done. I’m just glad I don’t have Fran in my user name, that would be embarrassing.

P.S. I realize my username sucks, but at least it’s not Franistheman.

@Benistheman is going to be legendary

 

[LukaDuka]

It worked pretty well for Fred Hoiberg at Iowa State. Maybe Ryan Bowen would be smarter than Fred and not jump to the NBA and leave a good thing going in college.

TBH, I would be in favor of hiring Bowen. I am not a fan of DeVries or McCollum. I think it’s time Iowa thinks outside the mid-major box.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Fred left ISU for the Bulls. He was not an NBA coach (maybe asstnt at Twolves?) before ISU, was he?

 

[LukaDuka]

I think if you go that route his assistant coach hires are extremely important.

And/or you hire a basketball GM to handle all the outside NIL noise.

 

[Heathen Raider]

I think it’s a bit early to be talking about guys like Ryan Bowen as coach.

12 Years as an Asst NBA Coach , Former NBA Player and played under Dr Tom makes Him more than capable for the Iowa job and when Iowa wins again under Him very doubtful He bolts for greener pastures. Guy is a Hawkeye .

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Fred left ISU for the Bulls. He was not an NBA coach (maybe asstnt at Twolves?) before ISU, was he?

He was VP of basketball operations for the T’Wolves before coaching at Iowa State.

I’ve actually talked to Hoiberg a couple times, once when he was at Iowa State. It was no secret he hated college recruiting, which is why I was surprised when he took the Nebraska job.

 

[littlez]

He was VP of basketball operations for the T’Wolves before coaching at Iowa State.

I’ve actually talked to Hoiberg a couple times, once when he was at Iowa State. It was no secret he hated college recruiting, which is why I was surprised when he took the Nebraska job.

Pretty clear he hates to recruit looking at his roster every year. He doesn’t even try.

 

[83Hawk]

12 Years as an Asst NBA Coach , Former NBA Player and played under Dr Tom makes Him more than capable for the Iowa job and when Iowa wins again under Him very doubtful He bolts for greener pastures. Guy is a Hawkeye .

No head coaching experience. No college coaching experience. No recruiting experience.
Doesn’t sound like he is “more than capable” to me. But we can disagree….that’s ok.