TikTok pro-lifers ruthless in their fact checking of ABC

[thewop]

This makes my stomach turn. I'm not really a fan of this tactic but I guess it makes their point. This is the 2nd one of these Tiktok thought I needed to see in 'debateTok.'

Fact checking late term abortion:

 

[McLovin32]

You'll have to forgive me for being a bit skeptical here. When you search this video on Twitter, there's 100's of posts of the video w/ no context, and most of the accounts have single digit followers.

Not saying it's fake, but I'm saying it's definitely being pushed by fake accounts at the moment and there's probably a reason for that.

 

[artradley]

You’re actually using a random TikTok to fact check Harris?

Lolololololol

 

[Huey Grey]

This sounds made up.

 

[McLovin32]

You’re actually using a random TikTok to fact check Harris?

Lolololololol

I don't think it's even a fact check. The video is from last year.

 

[artradley]

OP

Here is an opportunity for you to review objective truth:

Is third‐trimester abortion exceptional? Two pathways to abortion after 24 weeks of pregnancy in the United States - PMC

In the United States, third‐trimester abortions are substantially more expensive, difficult to obtain, and stigmatized than first‐trimester abortions. However, the circumstances that lead to someone needing a third‐trimester abortion may have ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Now, help me out. Tell me the claim that was made which this TikTok is supposedly refuting? A quote would be preferable. Then we can make a sober judgment.

 

[Huey Grey]

I've made a lot of doctor appointments in my life. I've never once had the scheduler talk like this. This sounds fake AF.

 

[ICHawk-I]

Pretty sure "Late term abortion" is not a medically recognized term, its a political one that was invented just for this argument.

 

[artradley]

"Late term abortion" is not a medical term, its a political one that was invented just for this argument.

Part of why I would like OP to quote the fact that is supposedly being checked. I don't recall "ABC" or Harris saying late term abortions don't exists.

 

[thewop]

You'll have to forgive me for being a bit skeptical here. When you search this video on Twitter, there's 100's of posts of the video w/ no context, and most of the accounts have single digit followers.

Not saying it's fake, but I'm saying it's definitely being pushed by fake accounts at the moment and there's probably a reason for that.

Could be fake for sure. I was a bit skeptical too but figured it's good fodder for HBOT.

According to abortionfinder.org, there's no limit to when someone can get an abortion in Maryland, so it's plausible.

 

[McLovin32]

Could be fake for sure. I was a bit skeptical too but figured it's good fodder for HBOT.

According to abortionfinder.org, there's no limit to when someone can get an abortion in Maryland, so it's plausible.

I think that's wrong.

Maryland Abortion Laws: Chart​

Abortion laws in Maryland are like the majority of state abortion laws that legalize abortion until fetal viability. The table below offers a summary of Maryland abortion laws.

When is abortion legal?	Abortion is legal in Maryland until a fetus is viable. After that time, abortion is legal if necessary to protect the life or health of the pregnant person or if the fetus has a genetic defect or serious deformity or abnormality. A fetus is viable when there is a reasonable likelihood that it can survive outside the womb.

A fetus is viable around 23-24 weeks.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Of course late term abortions are real, but the circumstances are almost always quite different than this prankster is alluding to. Late termers are almost always due to poor fetal prognosis and abnormalities or when the mother's life is in jeopardy. The percentage of late termers because "my boyfriend isn't supporting me anymore" (LOL) has to be <1% of the percentage of 3rd trimester abortions which is less than 1% of all abortions anyway, so (1% * 1%) which is a likely overestimation of this happening is now essentially zero.

Also, it was pretty obvious that this phone conversation was edited and clipped and likely left out some pretty important parts of the original conversation that actually occurred.

 

[SoProudNole]

Could be fake for sure. I was a bit skeptical too but figured it's good fodder for HBOT.

According to abortionfinder.org, there's no limit to when someone can get an abortion in Maryland, so it's plausible.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

Third term abortions represent less than 1 percent of all abortions.

Think about it. At this point most families already know the sex and have probably given the unborn child a name. Most likely assembled a crib and painted the baby's room light blue or pink, and have already begun buying clothes for their newborn.

Then they get devastating news from their healthcare provider.

The next decision shouldn't be the government's decision.

 

[mnole03]

1% of abortions happen in the third trimester. Almost all relate to the changes in the recognized viability of the pregnancy.

The timeline described in the video is correct. That’s why the procedure can cost tens of thousands of dollars.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

This makes my stomach turn. I'm not really a fan of this tactic but I guess it makes their point. This is the 2nd one of these Tiktok thought I needed to see in 'debateTok.'

Fact checking late term abortion:

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Refers to a baby as “products of conception”

Intentionally deceptive and dehumanizing language.

 

[HawCory]

I've made a lot of doctor appointments in my life. I've never once had the scheduler talk like this. This sounds fake AF.

I haven't made very many doctor appointments in my life. It still sounds fake AF.

 

[nu2u]

According to abortionfinder.org, there’s no limit to when someone can get an abortion in Maryland, so it's plausible.

Sure thing. JFC.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Could be fake for sure. I was a bit skeptical too but figured it's good fodder for HBOT.

According to abortionfinder.org, there's no limit to when someone can get an abortion in Maryland, so it's plausible.

Ffs, you're just mindlessly spreading misinformation. Have some self-respect.

If you're going to post bullsh!t it should at the very least be funny, not tragically sad.

 

[McLovin32]

Ffs, you're just mindlessly spreading misinformation. Have some self-respect.

If you're going to post bullsh!t it should at the very least be funny, not tragically sad.

He also had no idea that the video is a year old. There was no "fact checking of ABC" like he put in the title, it was just an old ass video that a pro life group made and is now apparently making the rounds on fake and far right online accounts again.

 

[Jim Grizzly]

You'll have to forgive me for being a bit skeptical here. When you search this video on Twitter, there's 100's of posts of the video w/ no context, and most of the accounts have single digit followers.

Not saying it's fake, but I'm saying it's definitely being pushed by fake accounts at the moment and there's probably a reason for that.

You know, it's funny that a state standard in Iowa is evaluating the reliability of sources, yet the adults so against public education can't do it themselves.

 

[joelbc1]

You’re actually using a random TikTok to fact check Harris?

Lolololololol

If you can’t trust a MAGA with a Tik-Tok account, who can you trust?

 

[McLovin32]

You know, it's funny that a state standard in Iowa is evaluating the reliability of sources, yet the adults so against public education can't do it themselves.

Very good point. Especially when, for the most part, a lot of these types of things are very easy to look up and figure out where it came from.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

This sounds made up.

It absolutely is. This happens every time. Trump says some outrageous lie, with zero basis in reality, and his propagandists and apologists then quickly get working to invent a story to justify the insanity and say “See! Trump’s amazing! He is hearing the truth the media didn’t even report!”

 

[LunchBox50]

The issue is Republicans framing late-term procedures being as common as a regular check-up with your family physician, or that thousands of women using late-term procedures as some kind of easy birth control. These procedures are not common, and when they do occur, there's usually a serious reason/cause for it.

And then there's Trump musing about "after birth abortions," which is insultingly stupid.

 

[Huey Grey]

It absolutely is. This happens every time. Trump says some outrageous lie, with zero basis in reality, and his propagandists and apologists then quickly get working to invent a story to justify the insanity and say “See! Trump’s amazing! He is hearing the truth the media didn’t even report!”

Reminds me of when they started wearing Trump diapers.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

The issue is Republicans framing late-term procedures being as common as a regular check-up with your family physician, or that thousands of women using late-term procedures as some kind of easy birth control. These procedures are not common, and when they do occur, there's usually a serious reason/cause for it.

And then there's Trump musing about "after birth abortions," which is insultingly stupid.

Approximately ~6250 late term abortions occur in the US every year.

Or ~520 per month.

How common is common to you?

 

[KFsdisciple]

I think that's wrong.

Maryland Abortion Laws: Chart​

Abortion laws in Maryland are like the majority of state abortion laws that legalize abortion until fetal viability. The table below offers a summary of Maryland abortion laws.

When is abortion legal?	Abortion is legal in Maryland until a fetus is viable. After that time, abortion is legal if necessary to protect the life or health of the pregnant person or if the fetus has a genetic defect or serious deformity or abnormality. A fetus is viable when there is a reasonable likelihood that it can survive outside the womb.

A fetus is viable around 23-24 weeks.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this is why we can't have a serious conversation about this

 

[joelbc1]

Approximately ~6250 late term abortions occur in the US every year.

Or ~520 per day.

How common is common to you?

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And, what are the reasons for these late term abirtions? I would imagine most are stemming from medical concerns for mother’s health. A
Or maybe these are all within the Haitian community and used as food?

 

[seminole97]

Approximately ~6250 late term abortions occur in the US every year.

Or ~520 per day.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

typo thanks

 

[millah_22]

This one made my stomach turn

 

[Jerome Silberman]

And, what are the reasons for these late term abirtions? I would imagine most are stemming from medical concerns for mother’s health. A
Or maybe these are all within the Haitian community and used as food?

The polite answer is that insufficient screening was done earlier in the pregnancy, or there were false negatives with the screening process. The more visceral answer is that the fetus' organs developed outside of it's body, it's head has no f@cking bones, it's not alive or a number of other nightmarish situations nobody would ever want to happen.

 

[joelbc1]

The polite answer is that insufficient screening was done earlier in the pregnancy, or there were false negatives with the screening process. The more visceral answer is that the fetus' organs developed outside of it's body, it's head has no f@cking bones, it's not alive or a number of other nightmarish situations nobody would ever want to happen.

And that is exactly the point to be made. I’m not saying there haven’t been “late term” abortions to “normal” fetuses…my point is the cast majority of these “late termers” are fir valid medical concerns for the mother and the fetus. Lots of dramatics in this argument especially when “the facts” are not considered.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

And that is exactly the point to be made. I’m not saying there haven’t been “late term” abortions to “normal” fetuses…my point is the cast majority of these “late termers” are fir valid medical concerns for the mother and the fetus. Lots of dramatics in this argument especially when “the facts” are not considered.

The legislation stated ‘mental’ health of the mother and a perfectly healthy baby was allowed.

Not the mother’s physical health. Again, educate yourself before you spout off.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

The only fact check I remember from ABC is that they said that killing born children is not legal in any state? Did they also claim late term abortions were not real?

 

[thewop]

O man and here come the gun folks...

 

[thewop]

The only fact check I remember from ABC is that they said that killing born children is not legal in any state? Did they also claim late term abortions were not real?

I had the same thought. But I do recall the former VA governor talking about being ok with killing the born baby 'after a conversation with the mother.'

I can't remember exactly who denied what during the debate. In any case, there's no doubt a 32 week baby is viable.

 

[McLovin32]

I had the same thought. But I do recall the former VA governor talking about being ok with killing the born baby 'after a conversation with the mother.'

I can't remember exactly who denied what during the debate. In any case, there's no doubt a 32 week baby is viable.

Stop trying to make it look like you didnt start a stupid ass thread.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

And that is exactly the point to be made. I’m not saying there haven’t been “late term” abortions to “normal” fetuses…my point is the cast majority of these “late termers” are fir valid medical concerns for the mother and the fetus. Lots of dramatics in this argument especially when “the facts” are not considered.

Absolutely. Almost nobody in the history of pregnancy is getting an abortion that late on a whim or because they decided they don't want to be a parent.