I have heard this described as tribalism. We have 2 camps left in politics: the far left and the far right. There is no middle ground and not sure if/when there ever will be again.
Time & the AP misled on Trump's immigration policies. We need strong media, not fumbles like this
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I have heard this described as tribalism. We have 2 camps left in politics: the far left and the far right. There is no middle ground and not sure if/when there ever will be again.
Well, I this thread has no credibility since you cant establish at all that you are an independent.
Then try to focus on the article. Can you do that? Can you focus on the article? Or are you intellectually incapable?
There is middle ground,... but it's mostly populated with voters who don't participate in the day to day political discussion....
I can be intellectually capable and not focus on the article.
Nothing trump ever does is good for anyone. I just accept it as is, and with each passing day its closer to the end of him one way or another, so there is that. I don't watch any TV news, I don't read Time. I scan headlines on Google and thats about it.
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Perhaps,... but the biggest problem is that when they do choose to participate by voting once every four years in a presidential election their prior lack of involvement has already guaranteed them nothing but poor candidates....
It's escalation. The Right amps up the rhetoric, so the left follows and vice-versa. The only people that are heard are the one's that say the most outrageous things, and say it the loudest. The media picks sides, and even when they are 100% accurate, they are very biased.
America is now completely dominated by 5th graders. There are no intelligent discussions, just rants filled with "yeah but" and "whatabouts". We have a POTUS that gives his enemies nicknames, and we have Representatives that call for people to yell at the POTUS team.
I've been concerned for a while that the country is getting dumber. Today, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind.
For all intent and purposes, true journalism is dead. There is no middle ground. ALL media outlets are out to either push their point of view or to make a profit or both. The sooner we all accept that, the better.
Ohhh poor poor Centrists. Don't participate and then complain about the process. Lol.....Ok
Not true. Only right wing media makes up stories on a regular basis, promotes baseless conspiracy theories, and defends the indefensible in the incompetent and harmful Trump administration while demonizing those on the left who actually care about our country and its future, as well as that of the world at large.
The OP mentioned incorrect reporting on a POLICY, not about a PHOTO.
Is this still too complicated for you?
I think you are on to something there.
but in 2016, the Repubs started with 16 or 17 candidates and somehow Trump won. Is this because middle of the road Repubs did not participate or was it that they were outnumbered or both?
Primary Election Day in Minnesotat, btw, is Tuesday, August 14.
Centrists from both parties simply don't participate in the primary process,... The extremists choose the candidates and the centrists bitch about the lack of good options on election day,... That's how we end up with Trump vs Clinton, and it would have been Trump vs Sanders if the DNC hadn't been so heavy handed in their control of the process....
The whole point of the article is that Time magazine and the AP misled the public on Donald Trump's immigration policies. The author argued that we need strong news media in our present moment, not fumbles like this.
Do you disagree with this?
Is this still too complicated for you?
Can you and @cigaretteman stop liking each others' posts for one second and leave your cult and think for yourselves for a second?
No Fox News misleads and deceives when the facts and true reporting don't fit their official state news agenda.
The only time I believe them is when they say something positive about a democrat or something negative about a republican.
Other than Shep Smith, they are simply an entertainment channel.
As we've stated, countless times, already. They missed the ball on this INDIVIDUAL instance. They did NOT miss the ball on the POLICY, as is your contention. The policy has been reported upon accurately.
The WH lied about the policy; they had a series of 4 separated, false claims about the story. And THEN they finally passed an EO claiming to "fix" a policy THEY STARTED.
Yeah, that is funny. As if "participation" means insulting those people that have different opinions that you do. To be an independent can also mean that you look for leadership and debate on complex issues, not just hoping to somehow win an argument on HROT by coming up with the most cleaver insult. Personally, I have no interest in jumping into bed (figuratively) with the R's or D's and then defending all their bullsh*t to win an election.
Participation would mean like actually joining the parties and influencing from the inside. For better or worse its the system we have. If the centrists abandon the parties, this is what you get. HROT has nothing to do with it. Do you really expect actual policy debate here? Really? Really? Heck, I suspect one guy really is a Russian Troll.
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The issue is Time and the AP misled and flat out lied when discussing what was going on. Not sure why you don't want to acknowledge that. Mistakes like this can't happen in times when, per the article, American trust of the news is at historic lows.
Yes. Time misled with their cover photo and THEY LIED when the story itself initially stated that the girl had been “carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents.”
But she wasn’t. It didn’t happen. The heavy insinuation on Time’s cover, along with the explicit account in the story itself, turned out to be false. The girl’s father confirmed that she was never taken from her mother. Time eventually corrected the story, stating that rather than being carted off by border agents, “her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together.”
Why are you ignoring the AP portion of the article? The AP portion of the article is this:
Not to be outdone, The Associated Press last week published a bombshell report on a civil rights lawsuit brought by numerous immigrant children. They were allegedly held at a detention center in Virginia and subjected to brutal abuse, including being “beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells.”
The allegations are horrifying. What was surprising, however, was the way the article framed them. In the original report, which has since been amended online, readers had to make it through more than 20 paragraphs before learning that most of the alleged abuse took place under the Obama administration.
Tell the truth. Don't lie. Don't trick.
Not only did the article deeply bury the context of the allegations, it also strongly implied that the abuse was taking place solely under the Trump administration. One paragraph reads: “Many of the children were sent (to the detention facility) after U.S. immigration authorities accused them of belonging to violent gangs, including MS-13. President Donald Trump has repeatedly cited gang activity as justification for his crackdown on illegal immigration.” Such framing makes it seem as if the alleged abuse was a direct consequence of Trump’s rhetoric, when that simply wasn’t the case.
The revised article makes it clear that much of the abuse dates from the Obama era. But the clarification came after the article had already been shared thousands upon thousands of times on social media. When stories like this drop, they spread across the globe within a matter of minutes — no matter if the story itself is misleading or unfair.
My hope is for actual policy debate in Congress, with open minded people hoping to improve the country. But, I'm afraid that ship has left port.
I love how people cling onto the “Russian Troll” idea to avoid coming to terms with that fact that their entire ethos has been based on lies and deceptions. You can’t fix stupid and it’s pointless to argue this topic anymore because people have an aversion to the truth.
Can you simply answer the question as to whether they 'missed the ball on the policy'?
Or, spend another 20 minutes reposting what's already been stated, and I'm not referring to.
Why won't you agree that Time BOTH misled and lied in their original reporting? I would call lying and misleading "missing the ball."
Why won't you agree that the AP's original story (on abuse at a detention center) misled the public and that after they revised their story we find that most of the abuse to immigrant children occurred under the Obama administration?
Did you even read the article well enough to understand the points they were trying to make?
Newsflash: One of Obama's guys ADMITTED there were abuses during that administration, and they worked to minimize them.
With the utter overload of people incarcerated in short-order by the current administration, would you expect the number of abuses to go "up", or to go "down"?
Be honest here.
Lessee if we can find a similar, credible report like this from any prior administration:
Can anyone link how many states sued the Obama, Bush or Clinton administrations, over family separation policies?
TIA
EDIT: ANYBODY?.....BUELLER?.....ANYONE AT ALL?
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There are 33,000 full time print journalists in the country. The vast majority do not work for Time or the AP.
First, it was "we're not separating families"
Then, it was "well, we are, but the Bible demands it"
Then, it was "well, we are, but it's the Dem's fault"
Then, it was "well, we can't do anything cuz it's the law"
Then, it was "well, now we're gonna stop doing it and everythings all right"
...even though per their own statements, LESS THAN 25% of families have been reunited
So, 'splain to me, again, how this is somehow the "media's" problem?
500, out of 2342
That's "batting" .214 - DAMN close to the Mendoza line
And we really should be comparing it to "fielding percentage", not "batting averages".
.214 fielding percentage wouldn't even cut it in amateur leagues. Maybe Little League.
Once again you go off topic. Why can't you stay on topic? The topic is the media and how it misleads.and how it leads to #fakenew claims.
Again, you CONVENIENTLY IGNORE the AP portion of the orig post (because you are incapable of staying on topic) and what happened to kids under the Obama administration.
Again, sticking to the orig post, are you outraged that Time lied in its original reporting? Are you outraged by the AP misleading the public? Are you outraged that kids suffered from malicious and sadistic applications of force, where they ended up with broken bones, all during Obama's and a Democrat Governor's watch?
Are you? Or are you a hypocrite? Which is it? I am guessing you are a hypocrite and that you can't possibly place blame on a Democrat and I am guessing you will be trying to go off topic again.
You want to talk lawsuits??? Well, here is the AP story linked in the orig post, which you fail to address:
Virginia’s governor ordered state officials Thursday to investigate abuse claims by children at an immigration detention facility who said they were beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells.
Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, announced the probe in a tweet hours after The Associated Press reported the allegations. They were included in a federal civil rights lawsuit with a half-dozen sworn statements from Latino youths held for months or years at the Shenandoah Valley Juvenile Center near Staunton, Virginia. The AP report also cited an adult who saw bruises and broken bones the children said were caused by guards.
Multiple detainees as young as 14 said guards stripped them of their clothes and strapped them to chairs with bags placed over their heads. The incidents described in the lawsuit occurred from 2015 to 2018, during both the Obama and Trump administrations.
“Whenever they used to restrain me and put me in the chair, they would handcuff me,” said a Honduran immigrant who was sent to the facility when he was 15 years old. “They also put a bag over your head.”
In addition to the children’s first-hand, translated accounts in court filings, a former child-development specialist who worked inside the facility told the AP she saw kids there with bruises and broken bones they blamed on guards. She spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to publicly discuss the children’s cases.
The lawsuit said Latino children were frequently punished by being restrained for hours in chairs, with handcuffs and cloth shackles on their legs. Often, the lawsuit alleged, the children were beaten by staff while bound.
As a result of such “malicious and sadistic applications of force,” the immigrant youths have “sustained significant injuries, both physical and psychological,” the lawsuit said.
After being subjected to such treatment, the 17-year-old Mexican youth said he tried to kill himself in August, only to be punished with further isolation. On other occasions, he said, he cut his wrists with a piece of glass.
The lawsuit alleges other immigrant youths held at Shenandoah have also engaged in cutting and other self-harming behaviors, including ingesting shampoo and attempting to choke themselves.
A hearing in the case is set for July 3 before a federal judge in the Western District of Virginia.
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