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Tom Brands Coached Teams can no longer compete with Penn St.
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In the last 24 hours I learned that nobody on the international scene knows who Cael Sanderson is but also that David Taylor is "a goof who isn't relatable to today's athlete". Did I read that right?
Sounds like 77 D1 coaches should be fired no one can beat Cael so fire everyone. Most here calling for Tom to be fired have no f**king clue about what goes on in a D1 wrestling room daily. Some of you need to get out of moms basement and get some fresh air. I know it's Iowa and everyone wants to win but one of the best to ever do it is currently coaching and his name is Cael. Gable kicked everyone's ass for years and others couldn't come close to winning. It's how sports go but what you don't do is take your ball and go home.
There are a lot of reasons PSU is so far ahead, but it truly circles back to this:
125: class of 2024 #1 lb4lb
133: class of 2023 #42 lb4lb
141: class of 2020 #4 lb4lb
149: class of 2021 #4 lb4lb
157: class of 2023 #10 lb4lb
165:class of 2022 #18 lb4lb(transfer)
174: class of 2022 #9 lb4lb
184: class of 2019 #9 lb4lb
197: class of 2023 #7 lb4lb
285: class of 2019 #1 lb4lb
Can you guess who their only sort of “weak link is”???? If not for constant injuries to #4 lb4lb Howard and transfer Nagao, Davis probably wouldn’t ever be a starter…
When you try to say Iowa’s recruiting is “terrible” it is only because you are measuring them against this when this simply has NEVER happened before. Not even close. Mind you, Iowa should have 5 top 6 lb4lbs in their starting lineup next year if they can spread out Kennedy, Arnold and Angelo to go along with Ayala and Keuter. DeLuca(8) and Ludington(14) will be 2 top 15 incoming freshmen. Caliendo will still take up one of the remains spots and then you hope Iowa can land two big transfers like they have for several years now.
No one truly even compares to PSU in this category, but Iowa is actually doing a GREAT job recruiting to even be this close…
125: class of 2024 #1 lb4lb
133: class of 2023 #42 lb4lb
141: class of 2020 #4 lb4lb
149: class of 2021 #4 lb4lb
157: class of 2023 #10 lb4lb
165:class of 2022 #18 lb4lb(transfer)
174: class of 2022 #9 lb4lb
184: class of 2019 #9 lb4lb
197: class of 2023 #7 lb4lb
285: class of 2019 #1 lb4lb
Can you guess who their only sort of “weak link is”???? If not for constant injuries to #4 lb4lb Howard and transfer Nagao, Davis probably wouldn’t ever be a starter…
When you try to say Iowa’s recruiting is “terrible” it is only because you are measuring them against this when this simply has NEVER happened before. Not even close. Mind you, Iowa should have 5 top 6 lb4lbs in their starting lineup next year if they can spread out Kennedy, Arnold and Angelo to go along with Ayala and Keuter. DeLuca(8) and Ludington(14) will be 2 top 15 incoming freshmen. Caliendo will still take up one of the remains spots and then you hope Iowa can land two big transfers like they have for several years now.
No one truly even compares to PSU in this category, but Iowa is actually doing a GREAT job recruiting to even be this close…
I agree. Also, I heard from multiple sources Michael was juicing when he kicked Dwight’s ass.
125: 33
133: 5
141: 22
149: 71
157: 8
165: 52
174: 3
184: 2 / 5
197: unranked
285: 2
But 149, 157, 165 and 197 arrived at Iowa as NCAA All-Americans, not high schoolers yet to prove themselves, so it’s a bit misleading.
dtripp26 beat me to it. Now, it may be the very same thing with Okie State too. Anyone know what kind of money was involved there? There are many too kids seriously considering Okie State right now. I expect Bo to end up there.
"Ready" being the central issue here but that is another question for another thread.
I would hate to see Spencer put into a situation in which he (or anybody else for that matter) is almost bound to fail. His story at Iowa has been story of brilliant success and it would be really sad to have it end in an anti-climatic way.
In four years, it will be clear as to how the Taylor experiment has gone. Given all of his resources, his reputation as a hot commodity and the real (if faded) prestige of the OSU program, if Taylor cannot slow down the PSU juggernaut, then maybe nobody can right now . If Spencer really wants to coach, maybe it would be best to be an assistant for a while (maybe at another good program or maybe an RTC) and then take over at IC when the Sanderson program has ended or run out of steam a little.
Just my opinion. Yours might be different.
Add to this PSU has 6/10 U20 world team members on or committed to them. And in on Bassett as well.
I’m very interested in seeing how the Pokes develop under Taylor. If they can compete with PSU that may answer some questions about the Hawk program and coaching staff.
Would like to see Tom shake up the coaching staff and bring in one or two rock stars to get recruiting moving.
Would like to see Tom shake up the coaching staff and bring in one or two rock stars to get recruiting moving.
Add the Ped State to the list. For me anyway.
MSU, I think that’s a bit silly. Look at who OSU has coming in next year. It’s already happening. He’s got 3 of the top 8 or 9.
A PSU guy was saying the same thing in another thread, that the kids in DT’s club thought he was a goof. No idea if it’s true or not
I'm not reading through all this shit again, but what I truly want to see is a shake up with the assistant coaches.
We desperately need a fresh face that brings some excitement. We need a new approach and more variety. New techniques and new ideas.
There's so many aging guys on the senior level that would probably be interested if this opened up.
Lastly, the HWC really really really needs to bring in outside senior level athletes. It's ****ing embarrassing that we can't or won't. Spencer and DeSanto are the only two legit guys, everyone else doesn't compete or still in school.
I love Kaleb Young and Brandon Sorensen, but they don't need to be on the roster anymore. Neither does Eierman if he's done competing. Tbf - I'm not sure what's up with him.
We desperately need a fresh face that brings some excitement. We need a new approach and more variety. New techniques and new ideas.
There's so many aging guys on the senior level that would probably be interested if this opened up.
Lastly, the HWC really really really needs to bring in outside senior level athletes. It's ****ing embarrassing that we can't or won't. Spencer and DeSanto are the only two legit guys, everyone else doesn't compete or still in school.
I love Kaleb Young and Brandon Sorensen, but they don't need to be on the roster anymore. Neither does Eierman if he's done competing. Tbf - I'm not sure what's up with him.
Silly? What did I say that was silly? That he isn’t going to to be PSU while Sanderson is still there? You think he took recruits that PSU was all in on? In that same class PSU has the #1 and #2.
On top of all that I said he would most likely get comparable to Ryan’s run with similar recruits and a title…I swear people only read in a way that confirms their own bias.
To add to this; their p4p guys are coming in challenging and usually winning titles right off the bat; meanwhile our guys aren’t winning titles (minus Lee) and if our guys are challenging for titles it doesn’t seem to be until their upperclassman.
If OSU catches PSU in the next couple years, then it is probably time to replace TnT. If neither OSU or TnT can do it, then no one will until Cael hangs it up, or loses his touch, or some other event happens. Eventually, his time at the top will end.
Someone you really admire and wish you could be? 😉
Can you imagine if there was such a thing as the internet back in the 80’s when Gable’s were kicking the crap out of everyone like PSU is doing now?
Yes it sucks big time that we are no longer that team, but I guarantee there would have been a lot of teams talking about Gable the same way most talk about Sanders now.
Yes it sucks big time that we are no longer that team, but I guarantee there would have been a lot of teams talking about Gable the same way most talk about Sanders now.
Sorry brother. Silly probably wasn't the best word...was caught up with Iron. That said, I think DT will be far more impressive than anything Ryan has done. He's got recruits, #3, #5 and #6 coming in this year, and just got the #3 from 2026 (Iowa guy). IMO in the coming years his recruiting at OSU will be every bit as impressive as PSU and will make him a threat to Cael and company in the next 2-3 years (with recruiting and NIL transfers). Ryan won NCAAs that year PSU redshirted everyone so they could go on a tear (which they did) after PSU ran off 4 in a row. And then ran off another 4 in a row...and another 4 in a row after this year's NCAAs. Ryan did have a good run, but I think DT will be far better in teh history books. And I'm not bias towards DT or OSU; I don't like either. LOL!
My point was more that Ryan had a GREAT run in recruiting and had a REALLY good NCAA run of about 5 years or so. Many of those years they scored enough points to win NCAA's, except PSU was still there and just a bit better. Fast forward to now and PSU is a juggernaught that SMOKES even those PSU times during that run.
I wasn't saying OkState is going to be navel lint. I clearly said Iowa will have to contend with them from now on. I simply don't think they are going to truly challenge what PSU has become. The novelty of the DT name will lessen. It will eventually come down to how OkState performs. That performance will decide if he will continue landing top names and, more so, having ANY chance to beat PSU for those top names. Remember, even Tom Brands had a MONSTER recruiting class when he first became a HC.
Now, I will say NIL could be a factor that could throw a wrench into all of this. If DT keeps getting all this money coming in from donors, as is rumored, that could be a deciding factor, but I still find it very difficult to believe they would beat out PSU or Iowa in that area over the long term...
I concur; this PSU team is like no other. I mean potentially 10 top 5 guys...are you kidding. Ugh! Back to OSU, like you said with NIL (and with the way DT is recruiting right now, which is every bit as good as Cael), he could go on a big run...and I think he's definitely going to level out the playing field. The next few years will be interesting. We have to get those doggone recruits!!
Also, all of this hinges on how long Sanderson stays motivated and doesn't get bored and lose interest or find interest elsewhere. Because, make no mistake, as long as DT has decent success, I see him running to PSU faster than Tom did to Iowa when presented with that opportunity.
That was really my main fear when everyone was screaming for Iowa to switch to DT. When it comes to the coach I like the old recruiting philosophy of ONLY getting the guy that 100% wants to be there. There may be legitimate knocks on the Brands, but I can guarantee there is NO ONE on this planet that wants them to succeed more than the BrandsX2 do...
That was really my main fear when everyone was screaming for Iowa to switch to DT. When it comes to the coach I like the old recruiting philosophy of ONLY getting the guy that 100% wants to be there. There may be legitimate knocks on the Brands, but I can guarantee there is NO ONE on this planet that wants them to succeed more than the BrandsX2 do...
NO!!!! Undoubtedly a well oiled machine over there in happy land but as always, DON'T BELIEVE the HYPE!!!
They currently have ONE clear favorite to win and that is MessySchmittyiodt!!! They have little to no shot at winning 125,133. 141 is a major STALLER and will NOT win even though the F-in officialls swallow their F-in whistles and favor F*** st!!!!
149 certainly is in the convo as is 157 but neither will win, BOOK IT!!!!
174 also very good but will need to get to his stall ride so we will see how that plays out? StallFish is in the same boat and I will take Kack from UNI!!!! 197 is an AA but NOT a champ and poor KerKin has Gable who he is not touching!!!
Over/ Under is THREEEEE champs set by SIR IRON and I'll take the UNDER!!!!
They also do NOT break the scoring record without the new rules last year!!!!
That would solve the question, would you rather have 10 AAs or more champs? Answer is BOTH!
I actually agree with you on this one. I see the O/U at about 3 with the sure thing being Mess. I think Star will get upset along the way, I don't see Kasak winning it all, and I don't see Levi winning it all. Also, I can't imagine Kerk beating Gable. I think they're a great team but I'm predicting 3 or under, with the best chances going to Mess, SVN and then possibly one from all the rest. Great team, but some equally great talent to challenge them (individually) for the top of the podium.
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I think they get 4, with 2 other finalists
1. Mess
2. Kasak
3. Starroci
4. Haines - I think he beats O'Toole
finalists
1. Kerk
2. Barr
1. Mess
2. Kasak
3. Starroci
4. Haines - I think he beats O'Toole
finalists
1. Kerk
2. Barr
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I would probably go with 3-4 Champs too, but they could realistically have EIGHT finalists! That is crazy to me....
125: Lil' is beatable, but, with the right draw, he could get there.
133: Davis-He is solid, but 133 has some full sized pitbulls..
141: Bartlett-I expect him to get there, but Mendez is flat out BETTER>
149: Van Ness-I still think he is the best guy at the way, regardless of what happened against Lovett.
157: Kasak-Shapiro is still the guy to me at this weight and I would still pick a healthy, NCAA version of Teemer to win(big if).
165: Mesenbrink-Short of injury, he ain't losing...
174: Haines- He will almost certainly have to beat Hamiti multiple times to get his best path to the finals and/or not possibly end up on the same side as O'Toole. Still, I would favor him to get there.
184: Starocci-Lock it in. Parker has a puncher's chance, but I would definitely consider Starocci a solid favorite.
197: Barr-The kid is tough as they come, but I think the top 3(AJ, Buch and Cardenas) big brother him a bit, as long as their gas tanks are sound in the 3rd....
285: Kerkvliet-About as big a lock as you can get to make a Finals, with about the worst odds you can have to actually win it.
If I had to pick now, I would go:
125-5th
133-R12
141-2nd
149-1st
157-3rd
165-1st
174-2nd
184-1st
197-4th
285-2nd
125: Lil' is beatable, but, with the right draw, he could get there.
133: Davis-He is solid, but 133 has some full sized pitbulls..
141: Bartlett-I expect him to get there, but Mendez is flat out BETTER>
149: Van Ness-I still think he is the best guy at the way, regardless of what happened against Lovett.
157: Kasak-Shapiro is still the guy to me at this weight and I would still pick a healthy, NCAA version of Teemer to win(big if).
165: Mesenbrink-Short of injury, he ain't losing...
174: Haines- He will almost certainly have to beat Hamiti multiple times to get his best path to the finals and/or not possibly end up on the same side as O'Toole. Still, I would favor him to get there.
184: Starocci-Lock it in. Parker has a puncher's chance, but I would definitely consider Starocci a solid favorite.
197: Barr-The kid is tough as they come, but I think the top 3(AJ, Buch and Cardenas) big brother him a bit, as long as their gas tanks are sound in the 3rd....
285: Kerkvliet-About as big a lock as you can get to make a Finals, with about the worst odds you can have to actually win it.
If I had to pick now, I would go:
125-5th
133-R12
141-2nd
149-1st
157-3rd
165-1st
174-2nd
184-1st
197-4th
285-2nd
I don't think so. Okie State is already equalizing PSU's recruiting in year one of DT (3 of the top 6 this year and already #3 for next year). I think PSU's years with 6 or 7 finalists and/or 4-5 individual champions is over...and if by the grace of God we get Bo to come to Iowa - sadly I'm thinking he's going to OSU - that will be huge for us as we try to stay up with what OSU is currently doing under DT. With DT in play this will soon be a two- or three-horse race each year vice a one-horse race each year.
Those are solid picks...and certainly tough to argue against except maybe Kasak. Just don't see it this year despite his win against Teemer. After a month of conditioning I see B10s turning out differently. But again, hard to argue too hard against them.
