Tom Brands Coached Teams can no longer compete with Penn St.
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This is pretty fair. At 125, Lilledahl is an X-factor because he's just finding his groove. We never saw anything like the offensive outburst he had against Cruz. If he keeps wrestling like that, his odds go up, although Ramos looks like a solid favorite right now. At 141, I don't expect Bartlett to beat either Mendez or Alirez based on what I've seen so far, so I'll say 3rd. At 149, Van Ness - Lovett in the B1Gs will be telling whether the dual match was a fluke or not going in to nationals. Lovett was fantastic in that one, though, and looked every bit the part of a champion. At 157, I don't know about Shapiro in a tournament setting. He seems to struggle with health and whatever else in big tournaments. We'll see. Kasak isn't a clear favorite either way, though. At 174, I think Haines will beat Keegan in the rematch. That match was as close as two guys can be, coming down to the best scramble of the season in SV1 where both guys had multiple chances to finish it until KOT finally did. That could clearly go either way, and the PSU guys usually figure out how to win those rematches. At 184, Keck is good enough to be champ in a normal year, but I agree, I don't see Starocci losing. The All-Star match was razor thin, though, so it's not written in stone yet. I think I'd set the over-under at 3 as well with Mesenbrink and 2 out of 3 of SVN, Haines, and Starocci (with Starocci and Haines the most likely).
Yeah, I didn't even account for Alirez. Shame on me for that. Otherwise, I am pretty confident with where I put everyone. You can say that PSU has a great track record, but it isn't like KOT doesn't. A lot of smoke that he was at considerably less than 100% at NCAA's last year, or I think he would be riding a pretty solid win streak with 3 NCAA Titles in a row.
I am a big fan of Haines, but O'Toole is a Folkstyle savant. That isn't to say that Haines can't beat him, but I do think O'Toole is every bit as much the favorite as Starocci is over Parker...
Hmm, now I have to go back and read what he wrote
Seems objective at this point in the season. Might want to check your math on the 174 narrative, though. My money is on Haines facing Hamiti zero times before the NCAA brackets are set.
B1G's was on my brain, even though I know he is now at OkState instead of Wisconsin. But, that doesn't make what I said entirely untrue. A large point of it was, to make the Finals, he would most likely either need to beat Hamiti at NCAA's or almost certainly be on the same side as O'Toole making his road to the Finals really hard, assuming O'Toole at the 1 seed and therefore Haines and Hamiti being some combination of the 2 and 3 seeds.
That is what I get for not looking at a schedule before posting this...research is your friend!
Hmm, don't limit yourself. Reading what I write can only make you stronger!Hmm, now I have to go back and read what he wrote
Oh, and I even messed 2 small things up. I forgot about Alirez and I brainfarted into thinking Hamiti would still see Haines at B1G's even though he is at OkState now. For some reason the fact that Iowa still always wrestle OkState somehow made me think Haines will as well. An epic fail on the transitive property front!
Did you mean to say "subjective"? I am pretty sure, even though I am always correct
, that it is only my opinion and there is no actual concrete data that would solely support my choices....
“less than egregiously biased”Did you mean to say "subjective"? I am pretty sure, even though I am always correct
Looks like Tom and Terry got your message in this thread and decided to up their recruiting game. Thanks for helping them get motivated. You're the BEST.
TO YOUR ROOM, NOW.Hmm, don't limit yourself. Reading what I write can only make you stronger!
Oh, and I even messed 2 small things up. I forgot about Alirez and I brainfarted into thinking Hamiti would still see Haines at B1G's even though he is at OkState now. For some reason the fact that Iowa still always wrestle OkState somehow made me think Haines will as well. An epic fail on the transitive property front!
I don’t know what the secret sauce is in coaching but I feel you’re right about the distance between Iowa and Penn State. One thing for certain, Penn State wrestlers resemble the Brands brother's style when they were dominating the mat. Penn State wrestlers go out to tech fall their opponents. Tom needs to figure this out. He’s being out coached big time. If not, maybe Iowa is going to have to look eastward for their next wrestling coach.
I think you are all selling Parco short. Yes he ran out of gas after that big seven point move but I think he just shut it down and his win over Lovett showed he can go seven minutes hard with anybody. Unfortunately his style also leads to the possibility of a one point loss to someone he shouldn’t lose to like a Paniro Johnson which would make me throw up in my mouth!!!🤮🤬
Listen, Brands is toast - the game has passed him by. Hoping we can buy our way to another Title under him, but I'm guessing we don't.
Just answering a question. No need to be so sensitive. Sometimes answers have no motive beyond giving facts.
The less talent they have, the more pride, vanity and arrogance they have. All these fools, however, find other fools who applaud them.
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I’m hoping we only have to wait for Buchanan this year. Or any of the other guys 165-285, but Buchanan obviously has the best odds.
Yeah, duh, on me. Let's hope another Ferrari doesn't keep him from the top.
