Troubling trend
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I used to think he was huge for a ‘65, but this last weekend, he didn’t look that big physically. Just watched a bout of his with Joseph, and he looked a good bit bigger than Vincenzo. Anybody else notice that?
I'm definitely not worked up nor does this disrupt my personal life whatsoever, just pointing out the obvious to some dense fans like yourself. Iowa is underperforming and trending downward, still waiting for a solid argument against that... clearly I'm on to something.
I hear you yelling "fire the coaches, Iowa is broken!" I get it, if you have read the other posters in several threads, we all acknowledge something needs to change. The history of upperclassmen limping out their final year is the most disturbing trend to me. But to say fire TNT this moment is ridiculous. I'm not saying poor performance should be overlooked, but who is a realistic replacement? Perry, Metcalf, Burroughs, David Taylor? Right now, I don't see any viable options that done competing/willing to leave their current school? DT may be the biggest name right now, but no way he leaves NLWC. Who do you suggest?
TnT will go back to the drawing board, they may be from a different era, but they do learn.
Yeah. His Sophmore yeare was his best year. He use to beat the snot out of all his opponents. These last 2 years have been sub par in comparison. I suspect that he has an injury. I appreciate his effort and contributions greatly.
This. Cenzo was 200+ in offseason.
I remember back when Marinelli would hit an inside trip, low single, go double overs. Then he got more and more square stanced over the years. There really isn't a highly explosive offence from a square stance. I personally think the monkey on the back made him wrestle scared of losing.
I’m more inclined to believe there is an unreported injury.
he literally did none of those things ever. his style hasn't changed. it's harder to keep hitting the same 3 attacks for 6 years when you're one of the most scouted guys in the country. he didn't have a diverse style and saw a diminishing return over the years. the competition adapted and he didn't. i also think his body broke down a bit. he didn't have same pop and looked smaller to me.
This is untrue, I've seen Marinelli in person inside trip Cenzo at Penn State.
no vincenzo joseph inside tripped him. then he tried again and failed and marinelli planted him on his back.
Here's a novel idea. How about you shut your yapper, stop copying me and get in the room.
Show Tom and Terry how it's done.
Show the Iowa fanbase how it's done.
Show the wrestling landscape how it's done.
I can't wait for Hawk + i to get in there and rejuvenate this program!
Hawk + i = Dan Gable 2.0
LFG!!!
Or is PSU trending up? Meaning is it more what they're doing to help themselves get better compared to any effort on Iowa's end?
that is also not an inside trip haha. nice body lock finish though. we still saw that this year against kennedy. he's always been good at transitioning from leg attacks to the body.
joseph was trying for a desperation inside trip, similar to the dual. i think that's what he was referring to.
I think I saw him lose hold of a leg as many or more time than he kept one. I don't know if it's bad grip strength or what but he had a heck of a time holding onto shots.
Hawk + i = HUGE BALLS.
I admire your ability to continue to logically slap responses down. What you are pointing are obvious truths that only pathetic fans will not accept.
The bottom line is this: Gable-level success has burned into the brains of Iowa wrestling fans a standard of success, that only 'so-called' fans can deny. The standard is nothing less than national championships. For better or worse, any head coach of Iowa wrestling will be judged on how many individual and team champions they coached. Period end of debate.
Given the current trend in wrestling, PSU will become the 2nd all time winning program when Cael is done coaching. Why in the freaking world would any Iowa fan be satisfied with this trend? Well, apparently, lots of them ... given the replies Hawk + i is receiving.
If TNT can't get wrestlers (talented guys at that) to perform when it matters most, then it's time to try for new blood.
The staff MUST get the guys to perform when it matters most. Perhaps its time to get someone from outside the program.
and that went back to high school. kind of strange. he made up for that inefficiency with volume early in his career.
I agree with a lot of your comments. In all of college wrestling, Bull is the guy I would fear the most in going Mano a Mano in any type of body lock. His core power is off the charts hence the name Bull. I believe that those Cenzo matches made it clear that to wrestle him, locking up was not a wise thing to do. Really good wrestlers were forced to find a more advantageous style or strategy. There were some weaknesses in other mat positions that opponents had a chance to exploit but I'll always remember him as the guy who could end a match in very dramatic fashion.
I do believe Cunningham is the best coach in wrestling. His track record is very impressive. Cael gets the credit but he benefits from having one if not the greatest current wrestling minds on his staff.
Hawk+1 can’t perform under the lights of the cesspool.
He is good and he will most likely move on some day just like all of Gable's top assistants did.
Maybe, I think the way Cael shares the spotlight (even to the point of avoiding the spotlight) with coaches, trainers, psychologist and so-forth helps keep the coaching team together.
Nah....they will get bored winning every year and look for a new challenge just like Gable's top guy's....
