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Trump’s GOP rivals open door to cutting Social Security for younger people

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Three of Donald Trump’s rivals for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination are pushing for cuts to Social Security benefits that would only affect younger Americans, as the party’s leaders grapple with the explosive politics of the retirement program.

In comments on Sunday as well as in interviews earlier this year, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said Social Security will need to be revamped — but not for people who are near or in retirement.

Former vice president Mike Pence and former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley have taken similar positions since launching their presidential campaigns. From the earliest days of his 2016 run, Trump has vowed not to touch either Social Security or Medicare — a break from GOP orthodoxy that has shifted the party’s views — and has more recently hammered DeSantis for wanting to cut the program.
GOP hopefuls’ past positions on Social Security loom over 2024 primary
“When people say that we’re going to somehow cut seniors, that is totally not true,” DeSantis said on Fox News. “Talking about making changes for people in their 30s and their 40s so the program’s viable — that’s a much different thing, and something I think there’s going to need to be discussion on.”


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On Monday, Pence told Fox Business: “I’m glad to see another candidate in this primary has been willing to step up and talk about that.”
The positions the three Trump rivals are taking suggest that even the fiscally conservative candidates in the GOP presidential primary are reluctant to endorse cutting Social Security for seniors, highlighting just how much the party has shifted on the issue. Former House speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s 2012 vice-presidential candidate, had led the party in championing budget blueprints that would have entailed significant cuts to both Social Security and Medicare.
As the Republican Party becomes increasingly reliant on older voters for support and as Trump continues to exert heavy influence over the party’s beliefs, GOP policymakers have followed the former president’s lead in steering clear of proposals to cut the program, with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) ruling that out in debt ceiling negotiations earlier this year with the White House.



But concentrating potential cuts on the young, as the Trump challengers have proposed, has its downsides as well. The candidates’ posture risks alienating young voters who have already become increasingly alienated from the Republican Party. And cutting benefits for younger people leaves the bulk of the problem unresolved, experts say, given that the Social Security funding crisis is projected to arrive decades before millennials receive their first checks.
“It clearly would not address the shortfall, or the short- to medium-term problem we’re going to have in 10 years or less,” said Howard Gleckman, senior fellow at the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank.
Social Security funding crisis will arrive in 2033, U.S. projects
Economists of both parties agree that Social Security and Medicare, the health insurance program for the elderly, face funding crises if Congress does not act to shore up their finances somehow, either by reducing benefits or raising taxes. If no reforms are enacted, Social Security benefits for an estimated 60 million people will be cut by 20 percent starting in 2033, according to the most recent report of the Boards of Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds. Medicare also faces automatic benefit cuts as soon as 2031, the report says.



President Biden has proposed increasing taxes on the rich and businesses to prevent Medicare from running out of funds. But the latest White House budget does not propose a solution for extending Social Security. Numerous congressional Democrats have called for trillions in new taxes to avoid the Social Security shortfall, as well.
Policy experts have long said it will probably take a mixture of reduced spending and higher taxes to address the looming funding shortage facing Social Security and Medicare. Social Security’s old age and survivors insurance trust fund is expected to only be able to pay 77 percent of benefits in 2033, which would probably lead to automatic reductions in payments. People in their forties are still more than two decades away from receiving Social Security benefits.
The comments from DeSantis and Pence suggest that some Republicans have “not updated their talking points from the 1990s,” said Brian Riedl, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a libertarian-leaning think tank. Thirty years ago, Riedl said, it would have been possible to argue for resolving the funding shortfall only by limiting benefits for future recipients. But given that the enormous baby boomer generation is now at retirement age, exempting them from cuts would still leave the program in crisis.



“I get the politics of not wanting to lead with, ‘We will cut seniors,’” Riedl said. “But it might be better to say nothing than to offer an unpopular approach that doesn’t even avoid a debt crisis because it would be implemented far too late.”
DeSantis’s message will probably soon be tested. Trump has released video messages tying DeSantis to House Republicans who wanted to cut Social Security and for pushing to raise the retirement age when the Florida governor served in Congress, although Trump has also expressed support in the past for raising the retirement age.
“Donald Trump ruled Social Security and other benefits out of bounds politically” for Republican politicians, said Bill Galston, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based think tank. “But there are still Republicans, including some leading Republicans, who understand we won’t make serious progress on our fiscal problems until everything’s on the table. They’re trying to open that discussion, without it immediately being shut down.”
 
It's what the Boomers have been doing this entire time: get theirs then pull the ladder up behind them.

They got cheap college and strong unions in their 20s. Then got huge tax breaks and weaker unions in their 40s when they no longer wanted to pay for college and were on the management side. Then they got Social Security and Medicare in their 60s. And now that they are approaching 80, they need to pull up the ladder one last time to make sure they can keep SS and Medicare until they die.

Absolute selfish dicks.
 
It's what the Boomers have been doing this entire time: get theirs then pull the ladder up behind them.

They got cheap college and strong unions in their 20s. Then got huge tax breaks and weaker unions in their 40s when they no longer wanted to pay for college and were on the management side. Then they got Social Security and Medicare in their 60s. And now that they are approaching 80, they need to pull up the ladder one last time to make sure they can keep SS and Medicare until they die.

Absolute selfish dicks.
Bull shit, Huey. Go to Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party that came after him. Repubbers gave been after SS ever since it’s inception and the same with MediCare. It was only after the election of Reagan, America showed itself to be dumb enough to listen to this blather….and with Reagan and ALEC the GOP gave organized to see these programs be underfunded abs therefore, they would self-destruct. It has nothing to do with “boomers”…. Other than “boomer” Republicans. Wake your ass up and smell the coffee…. This us not a generation thing, but it is political!
Sorry. I feel very strongly about this….it just us nit so. It’s politics…. It’s rich/wealthy vs. the rest of us and them keeping theirs and us losing more of ours to them. Just remember who brought you “supply side economics” and the bullshit that folly included.
 
Bull shit, Huey. Go to Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party that came after him. Repubbers gave been after SS ever since it’s inception and the same with MediCare. It was only after the election of Reagan, America showed itself to be dumb enough to listen to this blather….and with Reagan and ALEC the GOP gave organized to see these programs be underfunded abs therefore, they would self-destruct. It has nothing to do with “boomers”…. Other than “boomer” Republicans. Wake your ass up and smell the coffee…. This us not a generation thing, but it is political!
Sorry. I feel very strongly about this….it just us nit so. It’s politics…. It’s rich/wealthy vs. the rest of us and them keeping theirs and us losing more of ours to them. Just remember who brought you “supply side economics” and the bullshit that folly included.
Generational and political are not separable in this case, especially when it was the Boomers who were in charge when these decisions were being made. They were the ones who flexed their voting power, which was vast, to elect Reagan. They were the ones who bought into bootstraps and morning in America. Sure af wasn't my generation. We were kids when these decisions were made.
 
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Generational and political are not separable in this case, especially when it was the Boomers who were in charge when these decisions were being made. They were the ones who flexed their voting power, which was vast, to elect Reagan. They were the ones who bought into bootstraps and morning in America. Sure af wasn't my generation. We were kids when these decisions were made.
Ronald Reagan was a “boomer”…..good to know. “Supply side economy was invented by a “boomer”…….Please don’t embarrass yourself any more….we will just respectfully agree to disagree.
 
It's what the Boomers have been doing this entire time: get theirs then pull the ladder up behind them.

They got cheap college and strong unions in their 20s. Then got huge tax breaks and weaker unions in their 40s when they no longer wanted to pay for college and were on the management side. Then they got Social Security and Medicare in their 60s. And now that they are approaching 80, they need to pull up the ladder one last time to make sure they can keep SS and Medicare until they die.

Absolute selfish dicks.

Some of you really need therapy for your anger towards the boomers.
 
Some of you really need therapy for your anger towards the boomers.

I don't blame them. The people that got cheap college, cheap houses, and good wages suddenly now have zero interest in making sure those things are available to the generations behind them.

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The boomer UNLIKE their ancestors have repeatedly climbed the latter to financial success and pulled it up behind them.
 



How about we get rid of the tax cuts?
 
I don't blame them. The people that got cheap college, cheap houses, and good wages suddenly now have zero interest in making sure those things are available to the generations behind them.

boomers.jpeg


The boomer UNLIKE their ancestors have repeatedly climbed the latter to financial success and pulled it up behind them.

They've already said a college education is worthless, so why should anyone want that. Housing has always gone up through the years. I paid 10 times more for my house than my parents did for their. What is this deal about the salaries? I have people at my work that are younger and probably making more than me. It's not that we don't care, it the fact their a bunch of whiners and we don't want to listen to it.
 
They've already said a college education is worthless, so why should anyone want that. Housing has always gone up through the years. I paid 10 times more for my house than my parents did for their. What is this deal about the salaries? I have people at my work that are younger and probably making more than me. It's not that we don't care, it the fact their a bunch of whiners and we don't want to listen to it.
Just because “they’ve said” it doesn’t mean shit. A college education is far from worthless. Now it might be overpriced in some instances but it is far from “worthless”. Money/salaries are transitionary but they need to be relevant to today’s standards.
 
Just because “they’ve said” it doesn’t mean shit. A college education is far from worthless. Now it might be overpriced in some instances but it is far from “worthless”. Money/salaries are transitionary but they need to be relevant to today’s standards.
That's not what they're claiming. They have said over and over that a college degree is worthless for getting a good job. I've asked them why they want a college degree if it's worthless and all I get is crickets.
 
That's not what they're claiming. They have said over and over that a college degree is worthless for getting a good job. I've asked them why they want a college degree if it's worthless and all I get is crickets.
Well, they are idiots, if they think that. And it’s a stupid discussion. Someone learning how to critically think for themselves is liberated for all of mankind....although it probably does scare the hell out of many.
 
Are they trying to lose on purpose?:

Three of Donald Trump’s rivals for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination are pushing for cuts to Social Security benefits that would only affect younger Americans, as the party’s leaders grapple with the explosive politics of the retirement program.

In comments on Sunday as well as in interviews earlier this year, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said Social Security will need to be revamped — but not for people who are near or in retirement.

Former vice president Mike Pence and former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley have taken similar positions since launching their presidential campaigns. From the earliest days of his 2016 run, Trump has vowed not to touch either Social Security or Medicare — a break from GOP orthodoxy that has shifted the party’s views — and has more recently hammered DeSantis for wanting to cut the program.
GOP hopefuls’ past positions on Social Security loom over 2024 primary
“When people say that we’re going to somehow cut seniors, that is totally not true,” DeSantis said on Fox News. “Talking about making changes for people in their 30s and their 40s so the program’s viable — that’s a much different thing, and something I think there’s going to need to be discussion on.”


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On Monday, Pence told Fox Business: “I’m glad to see another candidate in this primary has been willing to step up and talk about that.”
The positions the three Trump rivals are taking suggest that even the fiscally conservative candidates in the GOP presidential primary are reluctant to endorse cutting Social Security for seniors, highlighting just how much the party has shifted on the issue. Former House speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s 2012 vice-presidential candidate, had led the party in championing budget blueprints that would have entailed significant cuts to both Social Security and Medicare.
As the Republican Party becomes increasingly reliant on older voters for support and as Trump continues to exert heavy influence over the party’s beliefs, GOP policymakers have followed the former president’s lead in steering clear of proposals to cut the program, with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) ruling that out in debt ceiling negotiations earlier this year with the White House.



But concentrating potential cuts on the young, as the Trump challengers have proposed, has its downsides as well. The candidates’ posture risks alienating young voters who have already become increasingly alienated from the Republican Party. And cutting benefits for younger people leaves the bulk of the problem unresolved, experts say, given that the Social Security funding crisis is projected to arrive decades before millennials receive their first checks.
“It clearly would not address the shortfall, or the short- to medium-term problem we’re going to have in 10 years or less,” said Howard Gleckman, senior fellow at the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank.
Social Security funding crisis will arrive in 2033, U.S. projects
Economists of both parties agree that Social Security and Medicare, the health insurance program for the elderly, face funding crises if Congress does not act to shore up their finances somehow, either by reducing benefits or raising taxes. If no reforms are enacted, Social Security benefits for an estimated 60 million people will be cut by 20 percent starting in 2033, according to the most recent report of the Boards of Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds. Medicare also faces automatic benefit cuts as soon as 2031, the report says.



President Biden has proposed increasing taxes on the rich and businesses to prevent Medicare from running out of funds. But the latest White House budget does not propose a solution for extending Social Security. Numerous congressional Democrats have called for trillions in new taxes to avoid the Social Security shortfall, as well.
Policy experts have long said it will probably take a mixture of reduced spending and higher taxes to address the looming funding shortage facing Social Security and Medicare. Social Security’s old age and survivors insurance trust fund is expected to only be able to pay 77 percent of benefits in 2033, which would probably lead to automatic reductions in payments. People in their forties are still more than two decades away from receiving Social Security benefits.
The comments from DeSantis and Pence suggest that some Republicans have “not updated their talking points from the 1990s,” said Brian Riedl, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a libertarian-leaning think tank. Thirty years ago, Riedl said, it would have been possible to argue for resolving the funding shortfall only by limiting benefits for future recipients. But given that the enormous baby boomer generation is now at retirement age, exempting them from cuts would still leave the program in crisis.



“I get the politics of not wanting to lead with, ‘We will cut seniors,’” Riedl said. “But it might be better to say nothing than to offer an unpopular approach that doesn’t even avoid a debt crisis because it would be implemented far too late.”
DeSantis’s message will probably soon be tested. Trump has released video messages tying DeSantis to House Republicans who wanted to cut Social Security and for pushing to raise the retirement age when the Florida governor served in Congress, although Trump has also expressed support in the past for raising the retirement age.
“Donald Trump ruled Social Security and other benefits out of bounds politically” for Republican politicians, said Bill Galston, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based think tank. “But there are still Republicans, including some leading Republicans, who understand we won’t make serious progress on our fiscal problems until everything’s on the table. They’re trying to open that discussion, without it immediately being shut down.”
I was told by people on this board Republicans don’t want to do this. Like I said before, of course they do.
 
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