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Trump’s tariffs will be costly, but that’s not the worst part

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The moron has absolutely no understanding of economics:

Donald Trump is obsessed with raising tariffs. Though it’s tricky to predict how much he will hike them, they will be higher than today’s average rate of 2.4 percent. Hardly a day passes without Trump mentioning how “beautiful” and profitable tariffs are. And this week, he laid bare why he will raise them this year: He needs money to pay for bigger tax cuts.


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While vowing to make these tax cuts “even better” with no taxes on tips, Trump wrote on his social media site: “It will all be made up with tariffs, and much more, from countries that have taken advantage of the U.S. for years.”
This is Trump’s worst argument for tariffs yet. The math doesn’t add up. Extending his 2017 tax cuts for another decade would cost $5 trillion. But putting 10 percent tariffs on all imports (plus more on China), as the president-elect has suggested, would raise about $2.7 trillion over the next decade, and that is an optimistic estimate.


At some point, it will sink in that American consumers are the ones who pay for hefty tariffs. A typical household would pay more than $1,200 a year. The Tax Foundation ran the numbers and found that the bottom 40 percent of households would lose, because they would pay more in tariffs than they would get back in tax cuts. The Peterson Institute for International Economics found that the bottom 80 percent would be worse off, and only the richest Americans would benefit.

Many business leaders believe they can thwart Trump’s plan. They have been making pilgrimages to Mar-a-Lago in hopes of persuading him to restrain his tariff ambitions. Many of Trump’s top economic aides are also trying to pare back his expressed desire to place a 10 or 20 percent tariff on every single import to something more targeted. And still, the president-elect keeps saying he wants big hikes.
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On Main Street, on the other hand, people are taking Trump’s words seriously. Families are starting to stockpile goods, and people are telling pollsters they want to buy big-ticket items such as cars and appliances before the tariffs push prices up. Main Street is reading this right: More tariffs are coming, and they will be costly for Americans. Trump himself has admitted he can’t guarantee that prices won’t rise.



The scope of what Trump is vowing to do now is so large that it’s hard to comprehend. In a worst-case scenario, the average tariff rate could spike to the highest level since the Great Depression.
This will be different from Trump’s first term, when inflation was low and few people noticed the targeted price increases on steel, aluminum and some Chinese imports. In total, his first-term tariffs covered about 10 percent of imports. Back then, he also had a clear rationale for tariffs: He was pushing back against China, whose cheap products and refusal to play by international rules were costing U.S. jobs. Americans largely supported this, and President Joe Biden kept most of the China tariffs in place.
In 2025, it continues to make sense to target China. The Chinese economy is struggling, and, rather than spur Chinese consumers to buy more, President Xi Jinping is once again trying to undercut other countries by ramping up exports. Trump would almost certainly find that European countries and many others would be willing to push back, too. On top of this, people are increasingly concerned about Chinese access to data, cellphones and other critical technology. As Andrei Iancu, who served as director of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in Trump’s first term told me, “We need to collaborate with our allies and trade partners and form a united front.”


But Trump is not focused on China. Instead, he’s threatening “very high” tariffs on Denmark if it doesn’t give up Greenland. And he’s fixated on punishing Canada, claiming its trade deficit with the United States is $200 billion. In reality, it’s about $50 billion, and it exists mainly because the United States imports 4 million barrels of Canadian crude oil a day. Trump wants to use tariffs to satisfy his every whim.


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Historically, tariffs have worked best when they have been targeted to achieve a clear objective. Ronald Reagan’s quotas on Japanese cars in the 1980s are a good example: They led to trade deals and incentivized Japanese automakers to open factories in the United States.
By raising tariffs on all countries, regardless of whether they are friend or foe, Trump is likely to lose the trade war with China. His actions will anger allies and push them to raise tariffs on the United States. Americans of modest means will suffer more financially. And all this chaos will make China look, in comparison, like a beacon of global stability.

 
This is why I bought a new car now rather than wait about 2 years when one of my children starts driving. I just really didn't want to spend an extra 30% to get the same thing we have now. I suppose its possible that the tariffs don't actually happen (one can never tell which policies Trump throws out will actually happen), but considering how he was able to do it last time it wasn't worth the risk.
 
Libs not understanding the economic genius of real businessmen like Donald Trump….classic.
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The moron has absolutely no understanding of economics:

Donald Trump is obsessed with raising tariffs. Though it’s tricky to predict how much he will hike them, they will be higher than today’s average rate of 2.4 percent. Hardly a day passes without Trump mentioning how “beautiful” and profitable tariffs are. And this week, he laid bare why he will raise them this year: He needs money to pay for bigger tax cuts.


Make sense of the latest news and debates with our daily newsletter

While vowing to make these tax cuts “even better” with no taxes on tips, Trump wrote on his social media site: “It will all be made up with tariffs, and much more, from countries that have taken advantage of the U.S. for years.”
This is Trump’s worst argument for tariffs yet. The math doesn’t add up. Extending his 2017 tax cuts for another decade would cost $5 trillion. But putting 10 percent tariffs on all imports (plus more on China), as the president-elect has suggested, would raise about $2.7 trillion over the next decade, and that is an optimistic estimate.


At some point, it will sink in that American consumers are the ones who pay for hefty tariffs. A typical household would pay more than $1,200 a year. The Tax Foundation ran the numbers and found that the bottom 40 percent of households would lose, because they would pay more in tariffs than they would get back in tax cuts. The Peterson Institute for International Economics found that the bottom 80 percent would be worse off, and only the richest Americans would benefit.

Many business leaders believe they can thwart Trump’s plan. They have been making pilgrimages to Mar-a-Lago in hopes of persuading him to restrain his tariff ambitions. Many of Trump’s top economic aides are also trying to pare back his expressed desire to place a 10 or 20 percent tariff on every single import to something more targeted. And still, the president-elect keeps saying he wants big hikes.
Follow Heather Long
On Main Street, on the other hand, people are taking Trump’s words seriously. Families are starting to stockpile goods, and people are telling pollsters they want to buy big-ticket items such as cars and appliances before the tariffs push prices up. Main Street is reading this right: More tariffs are coming, and they will be costly for Americans. Trump himself has admitted he can’t guarantee that prices won’t rise.



The scope of what Trump is vowing to do now is so large that it’s hard to comprehend. In a worst-case scenario, the average tariff rate could spike to the highest level since the Great Depression.
This will be different from Trump’s first term, when inflation was low and few people noticed the targeted price increases on steel, aluminum and some Chinese imports. In total, his first-term tariffs covered about 10 percent of imports. Back then, he also had a clear rationale for tariffs: He was pushing back against China, whose cheap products and refusal to play by international rules were costing U.S. jobs. Americans largely supported this, and President Joe Biden kept most of the China tariffs in place.
In 2025, it continues to make sense to target China. The Chinese economy is struggling, and, rather than spur Chinese consumers to buy more, President Xi Jinping is once again trying to undercut other countries by ramping up exports. Trump would almost certainly find that European countries and many others would be willing to push back, too. On top of this, people are increasingly concerned about Chinese access to data, cellphones and other critical technology. As Andrei Iancu, who served as director of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in Trump’s first term told me, “We need to collaborate with our allies and trade partners and form a united front.”


But Trump is not focused on China. Instead, he’s threatening “very high” tariffs on Denmark if it doesn’t give up Greenland. And he’s fixated on punishing Canada, claiming its trade deficit with the United States is $200 billion. In reality, it’s about $50 billion, and it exists mainly because the United States imports 4 million barrels of Canadian crude oil a day. Trump wants to use tariffs to satisfy his every whim.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...id=mc_magnet-optrumpadmin_inline_collection_1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d=mc_magnet-optrumpadmin_inline_collection_18

Historically, tariffs have worked best when they have been targeted to achieve a clear objective. Ronald Reagan’s quotas on Japanese cars in the 1980s are a good example: They led to trade deals and incentivized Japanese automakers to open factories in the United States.
By raising tariffs on all countries, regardless of whether they are friend or foe, Trump is likely to lose the trade war with China. His actions will anger allies and push them to raise tariffs on the United States. Americans of modest means will suffer more financially. And all this chaos will make China look, in comparison, like a beacon of global stability.


Washington Post = fake news.
 
Libs not understanding the economic genius of real businessmen like Donald Trump….classic.




Donald Trump’s vision to reshape the world’s largest economy through protectionist policies that put “America First” will damage growth, according to Financial Times economists’ polls that contrast with investors’ bullishness over the US president-elect’s plans.
Surveys of more than 220 economists in the US, UK and Eurozone on the economic impact of Trump’s return to the White House showed most respondents believed his protectionist shift would overshadow the benefits of other elements of what the president-elect has dubbed “Maganomics”.

Many economists in the US, who were polled jointly by the FT and the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, also believe a new Trump term will spur inflation and lead to more caution from the Federal Reserve on cutting interest rates.

“Trump’s policies can bring some growth in the short term, but this will be at the expense of a global slowdown which then will come back and hurt the US later on,” said Şebnem Kalemli-Özcan, a professor at Brown University who also sits on the New York Fed’s economic advisory panel. “His policies are also inflationary, both in the US and the rest of the world, hence we will be moving to a stagflationary world.”
 
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What did you decide to get, so we can compare prices in 2 years?
Honda Prologue. Full disclosure, the sticker price was $54k but by leasing it we got $17k in rebates. $7500 of which was a Federal rebate for EV's that may or may not exist in 2 years (Elon has mentioned letting that expire but who knows what he was serious about). Those other rebates were from the state and from Honda as well so even without the fear of prices going up it was a good time to get the vehicle. Anyway, if we choose to keep it then I think the price we would pay is roughly $37k.
 
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My M-I-L is retired and pays zero in federal taxes, but willfully voted for a man who will cut taxes she doesn't pay by increasing tariffs that will make nearly everything she buys more expensive. That's MAGAt smart there.

My S-I-L's boss has a laser cutting table on order from China, the machine has been built and on it's way. After Trump increases the tariffs, the price he has to pay to get it released from customs will likely jump from 15% to 60% of the declared value. He's about to take over a $10,000 hit, but had Trump signs lined up every 20 feet in front of his business. I love seeing MAGAts win like this.
 
My M-I-L is retired and pays zero in federal taxes, but willfully voted for a man who will cut taxes she doesn't pay by increasing tariffs that will make nearly everything she buys more expensive. That's MAGAt smart there.

My S-I-L's boss has a laser cutting table on order from China, the machine has been built and on it's way. After Trump increases the tariffs, the price he has to pay to get it released from customs will likely jump from 15% to 60% of the declared value. He's about to take over a $10,000 hit, but had Trump signs lined up every 20 feet in front of his business. I love seeing MAGAts win like this.
Nice. So I don't suppose the table will arrive in the next 10 days?
 
The moron has absolutely no understanding of economics:

Donald Trump is obsessed with raising tariffs. Though it’s tricky to predict how much he will hike them, they will be higher than today’s average rate of 2.4 percent. Hardly a day passes without Trump mentioning how “beautiful” and profitable tariffs are. And this week, he laid bare why he will raise them this year: He needs money to pay for bigger tax cuts.


Make sense of the latest news and debates with our daily newsletter

While vowing to make these tax cuts “even better” with no taxes on tips, Trump wrote on his social media site: “It will all be made up with tariffs, and much more, from countries that have taken advantage of the U.S. for years.”
This is Trump’s worst argument for tariffs yet. The math doesn’t add up. Extending his 2017 tax cuts for another decade would cost $5 trillion. But putting 10 percent tariffs on all imports (plus more on China), as the president-elect has suggested, would raise about $2.7 trillion over the next decade, and that is an optimistic estimate.


At some point, it will sink in that American consumers are the ones who pay for hefty tariffs. A typical household would pay more than $1,200 a year. The Tax Foundation ran the numbers and found that the bottom 40 percent of households would lose, because they would pay more in tariffs than they would get back in tax cuts. The Peterson Institute for International Economics found that the bottom 80 percent would be worse off, and only the richest Americans would benefit.

Many business leaders believe they can thwart Trump’s plan. They have been making pilgrimages to Mar-a-Lago in hopes of persuading him to restrain his tariff ambitions. Many of Trump’s top economic aides are also trying to pare back his expressed desire to place a 10 or 20 percent tariff on every single import to something more targeted. And still, the president-elect keeps saying he wants big hikes.
Follow Heather Long
On Main Street, on the other hand, people are taking Trump’s words seriously. Families are starting to stockpile goods, and people are telling pollsters they want to buy big-ticket items such as cars and appliances before the tariffs push prices up. Main Street is reading this right: More tariffs are coming, and they will be costly for Americans. Trump himself has admitted he can’t guarantee that prices won’t rise.



The scope of what Trump is vowing to do now is so large that it’s hard to comprehend. In a worst-case scenario, the average tariff rate could spike to the highest level since the Great Depression.
This will be different from Trump’s first term, when inflation was low and few people noticed the targeted price increases on steel, aluminum and some Chinese imports. In total, his first-term tariffs covered about 10 percent of imports. Back then, he also had a clear rationale for tariffs: He was pushing back against China, whose cheap products and refusal to play by international rules were costing U.S. jobs. Americans largely supported this, and President Joe Biden kept most of the China tariffs in place.
In 2025, it continues to make sense to target China. The Chinese economy is struggling, and, rather than spur Chinese consumers to buy more, President Xi Jinping is once again trying to undercut other countries by ramping up exports. Trump would almost certainly find that European countries and many others would be willing to push back, too. On top of this, people are increasingly concerned about Chinese access to data, cellphones and other critical technology. As Andrei Iancu, who served as director of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in Trump’s first term told me, “We need to collaborate with our allies and trade partners and form a united front.”


But Trump is not focused on China. Instead, he’s threatening “very high” tariffs on Denmark if it doesn’t give up Greenland. And he’s fixated on punishing Canada, claiming its trade deficit with the United States is $200 billion. In reality, it’s about $50 billion, and it exists mainly because the United States imports 4 million barrels of Canadian crude oil a day. Trump wants to use tariffs to satisfy his every whim.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...id=mc_magnet-optrumpadmin_inline_collection_1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d=mc_magnet-optrumpadmin_inline_collection_18

Historically, tariffs have worked best when they have been targeted to achieve a clear objective. Ronald Reagan’s quotas on Japanese cars in the 1980s are a good example: They led to trade deals and incentivized Japanese automakers to open factories in the United States.
By raising tariffs on all countries, regardless of whether they are friend or foe, Trump is likely to lose the trade war with China. His actions will anger allies and push them to raise tariffs on the United States. Americans of modest means will suffer more financially. And all this chaos will make China look, in comparison, like a beacon of global stability.

Bonespurs just simply doesn't have the mental capacity to understand something as involved as economics. Nor does he really want to, because he's just too lazy to try. He deals in five words slogans that the cult members can maybe follow and try to understand.
 
Bonespurs just simply doesn't have the mental capacity to understand something as involved as economics. Nor does he really want to, because he's just too lazy to try. He deals in five words slogans that the cult members can maybe follow and try to understand.
All he cares about it diverting tax from the billionaires to us commoners. He doesn't have to make sense because his dumbshit followers believe everything he says, even though it makes zero sense.
 
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How many "real" businessmen do you know voluntarily cut their revenue while simultaneously increase spending?

How's that work for a small, mid-size, or large company?

I get that the D's want to continue to increase spending, but I'm pretty sure that isn't what the R's are planning.

And from a revenue perspective, the R's plan to maintain the current tax rates.
 
My M-I-L is retired and pays zero in federal taxes, but willfully voted for a man who will cut taxes she doesn't pay by increasing tariffs that will make nearly everything she buys more expensive. That's MAGAt smart there.

My S-I-L's boss has a laser cutting table on order from China, the machine has been built and on it's way. After Trump increases the tariffs, the price he has to pay to get it released from customs will likely jump from 15% to 60% of the declared value. He's about to take over a $10,000 hit, but had Trump signs lined up every 20 feet in front of his business. I love seeing MAGAts win like this.
His house and investments will go up a lot more than the extra $10k he has to pay. Plus, the end of DEI and the trans movement is priceless for some. Everything doesn't revolve around money you greedy Dim.
 
His house and investments will go up a lot more than the extra $10k he has to pay. Plus, the end of DEI and the trans movement is priceless for some. Everything doesn't revolve around money you greedy Dim.
Trump's record doesn't support your silly claims. Trust me, the guy doesn't give a shit about DEI or Trans because they have no meaning to him. His world is about money.
 
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