Trump: “I spoke to Governor Trudeau… they don’t have any military protection, their people are in danger, they need our protection”
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Bro, you need to stop spending 20 hours a day here! It's seriously ****ing with your head!!
That is a choice you're making.
Dude I tell you authoritarian ALL THE TIME and you poo poo it away. Just like you do with Project 2025. Stop bullshitting us. I'll stick to authoritarian because fascism seems to offend you.
Edit to say, Orban, huh? Did you know the elections in Hungary aren't actual elections? Kind of like Russia. Only Orban and Putin are allowed to win. That's what I am telling you, Trump loves Orban and if it's up to him and the people backing him/kneeling before him, only Trump or his hand picked person will be allowed to win here. It's right in front of your face.
My guess, you have no idea what HITLER did and how he operated while he was alive, before and during WW2.
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Personally, I don't think Trump and his lackeys have the ambition or energy of Hitler and the Nazi regime.
That said, it's not like he just showed up one morning and started gassing millions of jews and other "undesirables." It was a process. And LOTS of bad shit went down long before the Final Solution was even contemplated.
As you note, too few people realize that the slide into full-blown facism/authoritarianism is a gradual process and even if you don't get HALFWAY toward "let's start the ethnic cleansing" it is a f---ing nightmare for millions.
Does Orban make you feel better? You’re ok with that?
So why make the ridiculous comparison to Hitler. He's bad enough as it is.Oh cool, he's not one of the worst dictators in human recorded history, how reassuring
Let's focus on the REAL and PRESENT dangers he poses to the actual country we live in during the actual timeframe we live in?
Are you saying US elections are equivalent to that?
My guess is I do and you don't if you think he's Hitler.
I think it's a closer comparison.
Going off the top rope with the Hitler/Nazi stuff seems to have been counterproductive for the D's. Just sayin.
So.... you favor US protecting Ukraine but not Canada?
For the record, the US should only be protecting the US.
Everyone goes to Hitler. Remember when Obama was Hitler for passing National Healthcare?
Let's see, iirc Canada has joined the US in many fights as a coalition member. They have an army, not sure about a grand Navy but I am sure they have a very good coast guard with all their shoreline. They may have military planes and helicopters, I dont know that for a fact, but they probably have some transport planes.
It just goes to show how stupid and crazy Dumpster is.
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Sure, I agree.
Question for you - why do you feel the need to only harp on that comparison whilst completely ignoring what made someone make it in the first place, which is always a much worse thing?
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So you would have opposed the Monroe Doctrine?
At least Goldy has the common sense to not come back after making a fool of herself.
hahaha, your last statement is absurd, if we only protected our own country after Pearl Harbor then the Nazis would still control Western Europe. If we were only protecting ourselves the Communist Chinese flag would be flying over Taiwan, S Korea, maybe Japan, althrough SE Asia, ha Vietnam as Chinese, and maybe Austrailia and New Zealand.
Is that really what you want? The more China has the more they can tell US to **** off.
You and Trumpty Dumpty are very shortsighted
That's a fantasy question because times have changed. That said, the answer is generally yes.
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I can respect someone who is consistently isolationist. Likely don't agree, but it's a legitimate stance.
No, my answer isn't absurd. The US entered the was against Japan after we were attacked. You are ignoring a whole lot of history regarding the entire Asia Pacific region before and after WW II.
Pre-emptive war isn't necessary. The ability to end war at all costs is the answer. The US showed that.
conceded that his comments were bad in my first response to you
I harp on the Hitler comparisons because I think it's turned into a "boy who cried wolf" thing. This has been the mantra for going on 10 years now. I think a lot of folks just tune it out at this point. Maybe stop doing it...it isn't effective.
If the objective is to get like minded folks more riled up and social media clicks then have at it.
If it's to actually to change the few folks minds that are persuadable...maybe make more reasoned arguments than going straight to "america is a fascist nation" Trump is Hitler and MAGA are Nazi's crap.
I'm done
Probably have to clear off the board this weekend after this one. Have a great weekend.
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I just find it odd you have more disdain for people trying to be vigiliant and protect their country from harm who are overly hyperbolic than you do for the people who are actively causing our country harm.conceded that his comments were bad in my first response to you
I harp on the Hitler comparisons because I think it's turned into "boy who cried wolf" thing. This has been the mantra for going on 10 years now. I think a lot of folks just tune it out at this point. Maybe stop doing it...it isn't effective.
If the objective is to get like minded folks more riled up and social media clicks then have at it.
If it's to actually to change they few folks minds that are persuadable...maybe make more reasoned arguments than going straight to "america is a fascist nation" Trump is Hitler and MAGA are Nazi's crap.
I'm done
Probably have to clear off the board this weekend after this one. Have a great weekend.
It's a very odd position, IMO.
I'm not isolationist. I'm non-interventionalist. There's a difference.
My position is that we should mind our own business unless specifically asked by a sovereign nation for assistance, or we are part of a treaty such as NATO.
Probably because so few Americans know who the hell Victor Orban is or what his domestic policies look like.
Trump sounds like a mobster offering protection to small businesses in his neighborhood.
Except he's doing it to an entire nation.
Except he's doing it to an entire nation.
Its pretty sad that you think its funny to call the head of state of our closest and oldest ally a patronizing title implying subservience. This stuff actually matters. Being the President of the United States isn't a f--king game.
Yup, there are no 'aha' moments when a society turns towards authoritarianism, only the steady uptick of fear, control and abuse until it's irreversible.
It's why our forefathers spit out every strongman type before they could ever gain purchase, and why our leaders are supposed to be held to a standard much higher than the law.
We have f@cked up, some more than others.
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I would push back on this a bit.
It's ALWAYS reversible.
Bloody, deadly, dangerous, sad, costly, challenging, depressing - probably all of them at once or intermittenty during the struggle, yes - but never irreversible.
That's why I get so frustrated at the "crying wolf" charge. Those of us pointing at extremely concerning and anti-democratic actions are trying to kill the baby in the crib BEFORE it becomes an existential struggle that costs lives and treasure.
Look, it would be fantastic and great if Trump, Musk, Vance and the rest of MAGA aren't 1/8th as bad as many of us believe. But I will never, ever regret pushing back and warning against authoritarianism in the hopes of nipping it in the bud. Frankly, that should be the duty of every patriotic American.
Tell CRAZY Filthy Don that, NOT quite sure he would understand what you're saying.
I don't disagree, by irreversible I just meant that the struggle is going to exist outside of the political process that was once normal.
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My hope is we see a tide turning at the midterms. If shit goes off the rails as bad as it seems like it may, one would expect the party holding the three branches of governemnt to pay a stiff electoral price, despite gerrymandering efforts. That has historically been the norm.
If not - or if something weird happens and the elections are postponed, cancelled, damaged, etc. - then we will definitely be entering a very, very dark situation.
I have a growing fear that we passed the offramp before things go sideways in July.
Trump is a funny dude. It's obvious that the Dems have no sense of humor. Their TDS won't allow it
Did you know Hitler killed 6 million Jews in his first 2 weeks in power.
And yet you voted for him.
