Trump: “I spoke to Governor Trudeau… they don’t have any military protection, their people are in danger, they need our protection”
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A lot of Americans like him because Trump tells them he is a strong man much like himself.
His co president literally does Nazi Salutes…
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You would have lost your g-d mind if Biden had said this.
Bins, I think what upsets most of the members of this board is that you're too literal about everything concerning politics. I tend to believe you've kind of buried your head in the sand when it comes to Trump.conceded that his comments were bad in my first response to you
I harp on the Hitler comparisons because I think it's turned into a "boy who cried wolf" thing. This has been the mantra for going on 10 years now. I think a lot of folks just tune it out at this point. Maybe stop doing it...it isn't effective.
If the objective is to get like minded folks more riled up and social media clicks then have at it.
If it's to actually to change the few folks minds that are persuadable...maybe make more reasoned arguments than going straight to "america is a fascist nation" Trump is Hitler and MAGA are Nazi's crap.
I'm done
Probably have to clear off the board this weekend after this one. Have a great weekend.
Here are a couple of similarities between the two:
Both leaders used populist messaging, appealing to a sense of national pride and addressing grievances of a perceived marginalized or struggling population
Hitler focused on restoring Germany's greatness after WWI. Trump is championing "Make America Great."
Both have been noted for targeting and vilifying certain groups of individuals. Hitler blamed Jews and communists. Trump has been criticized for harsh rhetoric against immigrants, political rivals, and the news media.
Last but not least, both leaders cultivated an image of strongman, singular leadership, often criticizing opposing voices as weak or disloyal.
Trump may not be Hitler, but he's unambiguously an authoritarian that the system of checks and balances already failed to constrain. The guy doesn't believe in free and fair elections, wants to outlaw the press if you let him, and wants to do things like unilaterally dictate hurricane forecasts so they never contradict him.
You seem to think just because his first term didn't lead to Hitler like governing, his second term won't either. The cabinet he had in his first term mostly protected him and the country from his worst ideas. His new cabinet is full of sycophants and grifters. He may not be preaching the Final Solution or Race and Space, but Hitler didn't either when he first entered politics.
That's all I want to say. You seem well equipped to form your own opinions and by no means am I trying to upset you. I just wanted to mention my thoughts as a history major from the University of Iowa
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Entering a thread and almost immediately seeing Bins being a stupid **** again makes me chuckle. Doing the same bullshit he does in every thread, every day.
Trump could start putting all democrat voters put in jail and Bins would just say "Well, it could be worse. At least he's not killing them." and then find a way to blame Democrats for it.
Trump could start putting all democrat voters put in jail and Bins would just say "Well, it could be worse. At least he's not killing them." and then find a way to blame Democrats for it.
You seem to be ignoring quite a bit of history as well. While not in an open war, it wasn't a secret with whom the US was supporting with materials.
I actually 100% agree. He’s not Hitler, or a Nazi. He’s a Patrimonialist.
Patrimonialism is a governing system where a ruler has absolute power and controls all aspects of the state. The ruler's power is based on personal connections and trust, rather than on the rule of law.
That's spot on. Bins will tell you you're wrong though and then put his head back in the sand.
This was well said and has been explained to him at least a dozen times by multiple posters. Congratulations if you can finally get him to understand. The problem is, he would have to admit he's been wrong and these guys can't do it.Bins, I think what upsets most of the members of this board is that you're too literal about everything concerning politics. I tend to believe you've kind of buried your head in the sand when it comes to Trump.
Here are a couple of similarities between the two:
Both leaders used populist messaging, appealing to a sense of national pride and addressing grievances of a perceived marginalized or struggling population
Hitler focused on restoring Germany's greatness after WWI. Trump is championing "Make America Great."
Both have been noted for targeting and vilifying certain groups of individuals. Hitler blamed Jews and communists. Trump has been criticized for harsh rhetoric against immigrants, political rivals, and the news media.
Last but not least, both leaders cultivated an image of strongman, singular leadership, often criticizing opposing voices as weak or disloyal.
Trump may not be Hitler, but he's unambiguously an authoritarian that the system of checks and balances already failed to constrain. The guy doesn't believe in free and fair elections, wants to outlaw the press if you let him, and wants to do things like unilaterally dictate hurricane forecasts so they never contradict him.
You seem to think just because his first term didn't lead to Hitler like governing, his second term won't either. The cabinet he had in his first term mostly protected him and the country from his worst ideas. His new cabinet is full of sycophants and grifters. He may not be preaching the Final Solution or Race and Space, but Hitler didn't either when he first entered politics.
That's all I want to say. You seem well equipped to form your own opinions and by no means am I trying to upset you. I just wanted to mention my thoughts as a history major from the University of Iowa
With a side salad smothered in "Congress will provide checks and balances" dressing.
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It was written with zero emotion, so not sure what you mean.
What did I write that wasn't accurate?
You clearly are much more inclined to engage and comment on the RESPONSE to Trump's actions and statements than those actions and statements themselves. Do you deny that?
You're correct. That's because Trump doesn't have absolute power.
I can't deny that. For some reason I find the hyperventilating rhetoric extremely stupid and counter productive. It's my pet peeve...
The response to Trumps actions are more than plentiful on this board.
Unless you express immediate and unquestionable outrage at everything Trump does, you’re not doing it right according to some here.
We only question outrageous headlines, selectively
We only question outrageous headlines, selectively
Nah...the enabling act was in 1933 and he banned the political opposition and threw many in jail. Nothing remotely close to that has happened here.
Being willfully ignorant is extremely stupid and counter productive. It's my pet peeve...
He's been in office less than a month and he has the richest man in the history of the world ransacking federal offices with zero consequences on a daily basis. Give him some time.
Anyways, I'll let you get back to being an idiot. Have a great weekend, my man!
As they should be when a president goes against the CONSTITUTION.
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And this is why you get so much push back.
Sure, in many cases, it may be counter-productive and stupid. But it comes from a place of concern and sincere worry about the future of our country. And you mock it.
Trump's actions and statements, to the contrary, come from a place of "retribution" (his words), unprecedented power-consolidation. They also threaten our collective social, political and economic stability. Yet you would rather concentrate on the reaction to that than what is causing it.
It's like if your friend told you he was super concerned about the fact termites were found in the trees next to his house and some were spotted in timbers in the basement. And when he said "Holy shit, my house is going to be ruined and wrecked and fall apart and I'll have nowhere to live and become homeless" instead of saying "oh man, you should get that looked at" instead you point and laugh and go "they're outside the house you idiot, why are you freaking out?"
Would you agree he is taking steps to attempt to gain more and more power everyday?
I'm trying to find a modern parallel...
Zelenskyy has consolidated Ukraine's TV outlets and dissolved rival political parties
July 8, 2022President Zelenskyy has consolidated all TV platforms in Ukraine into one state broadcast and restricted political rivals. Political opposition fears such civil liberty constraints could continue.
Ukraine has had to take extraordinary measures to fight Russia's invasion. Among them, the government has consolidated the country's television outlets and dissolved rival political parties.
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So different!
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And this is why you get so much push back. I know
Sure, in many cases, it may be counter-productive and stupid. But it comes from a place of concern and sincere worry about the future of our country. I don't think it's "sincere" for many D politicians...they know better. They just throw out red meat And you mock it. As it should be
Trump's actions and statements, to the contrary, come from a place of "retribution" (his words), unprecedented power-consolidation. They also threaten our collective social, political and economic stability. Yet you would rather concentrate on the reaction to that than what is causing it. He's bad, really bad. Don't think I go as far as you though. We'll survive.
It's like if your friend told you he was super concerned about the fact termites were found in the trees next to his house and some were spotted in timbers in the basement. And when he said "Holy shit, my house is going to be ruined and wrecked and fall apart and I'll have nowhere to live and become homeless" instead of saying "oh man, you should get that looked at" instead you point and laugh and go "they're outside the house you idiot, why are you freaking out?" Bad analogy
Yep. Very different.So different!
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3 Mar 1933 - The Enabling Act
At the March elections the Nazi party was the largest single political party. After suspending the Communists and using the SA to intimidate members of the other parties, Hitler had the two-thirds majority support in the parliament he needed to suspend the country's Constitution.This meant Hitler now had the power to issue new laws without consulting Parliament. The Enabling Act (The Law for removing the Distress of the People and the Reich) gave Hitler the power to issue emergency decrees without the approval of President Hindenburg.
- Hitler made the Nazis the only legal political organisation in the country
- the other parties were banned or dissolved themselves
- no-one could now challenge the Nazis legally - making opposition very dangerous
- opponents of the Nazis now had to work in secret
- some opponents fled abroad
Suppressing all opposition
- In April 1933, the parliaments of the German states (Lander) were replaced by Nazi governors who could appoint and dismiss officials and judges
- On 2 May 1933 trade unions were abolished and their leaders arrested. The German Labour Front was established in their place. This gave the Nazis control over workers.
- On 14 July 1933 all political parties except the Nazi Party were banned - this removed the need for elections and created a one-party state
- On 24 April 1934, People's Courts were established - anyone accused of treason was to be tried by the courts' Nazi judges
Methods of increasing control - Why the Nazis were able to stay in power - Higher History Revision - BBC Bitesize
For Higher History, learn the methods the Nazis used to control the German population and maintain power.
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Bins sounds like someone who wouldn't advocate for buying flood insurance until after your home is under water.
Don't mind the 13 feet of snowpack up north, recent downpour and more clouds on the horizon - your house is still dry, dummy! Stop being so hyperbolic.
Don't mind the 13 feet of snowpack up north, recent downpour and more clouds on the horizon - your house is still dry, dummy! Stop being so hyperbolic.
What powers are you referring to specifically? Seems to be concentrating on the executive branch at the moment.
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Let's revisit this thread 6, 12 and 18 months from now.
If you are right and all of us who you call "chicken littles" were wrong, I for one will be pleased as punch to eat that crow.
He is the executive branch. Powers like telling the judicial system to drop the case against Major Adams. His minions throwing out the idea that the President isn't bound by court rulings. Things like that.
The funny thing is if he's the one that is wrong, he won't admit it. He'll just move his goalposts elsewhere and continue to look the other way because he's scared to admit he wants an authoritarian type leader in the country.
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If s--t gets as bad as some think, there will be no denying it.
For that reason, I sincerely hope Bins is absolutely right and the rest of us are wrong.
