Trump betrayed Ukraine.
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Ukraine is short on manpower and accepting foreign volunteers.
How much 'honor' ya got?
You want to be ruled and it just breaks your heart that it can't be Putin so you'll settle for Putin-light. You are a shit stain.
The Democrats said this very thing during Trumps first term. What happened?Oh, its coming
Not worried about Ukraine’s honor. It’s the so called greatest nation on earths honor that concerns me.
My opinion, we don’t look so great here.
What the U.S. Has to Gain from Supporting Ukraine
Prof. Jeffrey Sonnnenfeld and co-author Steven Tian write that spending on weapons and aid boosts the U.S. economy, strengthens the NATO alliance, and weakens the Russian war machine.
How Supporting Ukraine Is Revitalizing the U.S. Defense Industrial Base
Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the U.S. Congress has approved $113 billion to aid the response. U.S. security assistance to support Ukraine is reinvigorating the U.S. defense industrial base and creating American jobs.
In Trump/MAGA world - America abandons its friends and allies.
Eisenhower warned us about that form of corporate welfare.What the U.S. Has to Gain from Supporting Ukraine
Prof. Jeffrey Sonnnenfeld and co-author Steven Tian write that spending on weapons and aid boosts the U.S. economy, strengthens the NATO alliance, and weakens the Russian war machine.insights.som.yale.edu
How Supporting Ukraine Is Revitalizing the U.S. Defense Industrial Base
Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the U.S. Congress has approved $113 billion to aid the response. U.S. security assistance to support Ukraine is reinvigorating the U.S. defense industrial base and creating American jobs.www.csis.org
Exactly. And Hitler didn’t want all of Czechoslovakia until he did. Putin can’t be believed any more than Trump. Lying is second nature to them both.
Except that corporate welfare is not the goal here.
I've done my own variation with some of my friends.
We need to quit blowing smoke up people's asses and just tell the truth.
An empire is about to collapse. As it should if we let a tyrant run things, a pussy-ass Democratic party, and most of all an uneducated population.
WTF does renaming Gulf of Mexico or Denali do to help the country? What does giving out everyone's personal information to a billionaire do to help the country? What does sucking off Putin do for Americans?
Just get your passports ready.
Pretty sure that Ukraine has been betrayed since 2014, after they gave up their Russian nukes for defense promises, Obama let Putin take Crimea and Biden said nothing as Putin amassed an invasion ("won't do anything if it's a minor incursion"), and have let their people die for three years why we diddle on whether we give them this weapon or that weapon.
Sure it is, and those two propaganda pieces linked above reinforce just that. And btw, changing the phrase Military Industrial Complex to Defense Industrial Base does absolutely nothing to change the fact that in the end, it's all just corporate welfare.
"...can help demonstrate how Russia’s war can establish a long-term incentive structure to revitalize the DIB."
"...these funds stay in the U.S., where leading defense contractors have invested tens of billions in over 100 new industrial manufacturing facilities, creating thousands of jobs across at least 38 states directly, with vital subcomponents sourced from all 50 states."
We lost our honor when our representatives waved Ukrainian flags on the House floor.
No. The goal is to help Ukraine defend itself.
I dislike how much we keep spending on our defense budget and how the number never seems to go down as much as anyone.
But not when Trump loyalists carried the Confederate flag into the Capitol?
Why do you think that?
"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do." ~ Joe Biden, January 20, 2022
Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office, and Trump has never promised anything to Ukraine. Ukraine has always been corrupt, and Biden was part of that corruption as VP under Obama.
Some might call that treason, right? And then they threatened Thomas Massie when he posted the video.
Trump did call the Ukraine president that same day
After Putin call, Trump says negotiations to end Ukraine war will start ‘immediately’ | CNN Politics
President Donald Trump said negotiations to end the Ukraine war will start “immediately” after holding a “lengthy and highly productive” telephone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday morning.
I'm talking about meetings. Shouldn't both countries have representatives at the future meetings? Shouldn't both countries have to give and take? Everything publicly stated by US authorities only mention things Ukraine has to give up, but nothing from the Russian side.Trump did call the Ukraine president that same day
After Putin call, Trump says negotiations to end Ukraine war will start ‘immediately’ | CNN Politics
President Donald Trump said negotiations to end the Ukraine war will start “immediately” after holding a “lengthy and highly productive” telephone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday morning.amp.cnn.com
It's absurd to think defense spending helps the US economy. It's wasting manufacturing production on expendables. Some people will believe anything. Jeesh.What the U.S. Has to Gain from Supporting Ukraine
Prof. Jeffrey Sonnnenfeld and co-author Steven Tian write that spending on weapons and aid boosts the U.S. economy, strengthens the NATO alliance, and weakens the Russian war machine.
How Supporting Ukraine Is Revitalizing the U.S. Defense Industrial Base
Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the U.S. Congress has approved $113 billion to aid the response. U.S. security assistance to support Ukraine is reinvigorating the U.S. defense industrial base and creating American jobs.
Absolutely,.. In fact, my position would be that any conversations held without their involvement should be viewed as totally non-binding.
I disagree. Ukraine is completely reliant on the US.
If you had a relative that was under water on a loan, and you agreed to pay off the loan, would you want to include them in the conversation, or would it be on your terms?
Different situation entirely,.. The US hasn't agreed to guarantee any type of outcome here.
No one knows what Trump agreed to.
All the smoke says he threw Ukraine under the bus. And little denial from the admin that that is the case.
And I believe that an important element of these negotiations involves Ukraine being at least familiar with what the underside of the bus might look like....
Xi is jealous of Putin… he wants to see that Orange mop of hair bobbing up and down in his lap, just like Putin.
