Trump betrayed Ukraine.
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It isn't a mystery. Trump owes Putin and on top of that Ukraine wouldn't bend the knee and led to his first impeachment. Now they must be destroyed.
Zalensky betrayed Ukraine.
It was the entire reason for the coup in 2014!
The Ukrainians voted for a guy who campaigned on a platform against NATO expansion, but neocons didn’t like that, so they organized his replacement. Their elected head of government and we magically picked the guy to replace him a week or so before he fled a murderous insurrection and ‘our guy’ takes the helm.
It’s why the talk about ‘protecting democracy’ and ‘sovereignty’ are such bullshit. We bulldoze those notions whenever it suits us. They’re talking points, not practiced ideals. Or we would have accepted the Ukrainians’ decision at the polls.
You're a shitty American. Ignore.
He's made so many enemies in his life and screwed so many people that to be totally honest, I'm surprised no one has taken him out by now.
700,000 deaths so far so let's put these 2 waring leaders in the same room. 😆
One side at a time and maybe you will get them to sit in a room and discuss what the US has gather from their one on one meetings.
If he’d started with that and not said anything else you might have a point. But he started off by blaming Ukraine for the war and ceding several points to Putin before talks have even started.
Ukraine shares in the blame for starting the war. So does the USA.
Okay, now I get it. We were snookered again by the main stream media. And I thought all along that it was Putin's Russia invading Ukraine without provocation that started the war. Now, thanks to Trump, we're finding out that it was actually Ukraine and Biden who started this mess. Damn Joe and those warmongoring Ukrainians!
The Stubborn Legend of a Western ‘Coup’ in Ukraine
Ten years on, there is still confusion over what, exactly, transpired on the last days of the Maidan.
foreignpolicy.com
Zelensky, the CIA, Biden and Harris turned down a reasonable settlement and intentionally provoked Russia, by pushing for Ukraine’s eminent acceptance into NATO. Ukraine is Russia’s redline just as Cuba was our redline under President Kennedy. We poured gas on a fire.
Go on tell me how you came to this understanding of how the war is going.
If the USA goes the path of Putins desires and stops funding Ukraine, pulls out of NATO (even just withdrawing from certain nations which has been discussed) and trump keeps running his mouth pissing of key allies, what happens?
What likely happens is the USA finds themselves isolated moving forward, regardless of trump/maga getting dumped in the future. We will have broken centuries of promises, support and prosperity because of egg prices. If the EU and NATO go it alone vs Russia in Ukraine and they find themselves successful, which they probably will, why would you need the dickhead across the pond? We will lose are position among the global powers and find ourselves isolated without many true allies. Sure, we won't be enemies with the EU, Canada or Mexico. But why would they work with us as much, if at all, given how Americans handled themselves electing trump knowing what he stands for.
I don't think maga truly grasps how close we are to becoming a has been country. They want America first, well it's going to be America only soon and it isn't what they think it's going to be. Ukraine and EU relationships have much bigger reach than you think. Sure, let's burn it all to the ground.
What likely happens is the USA finds themselves isolated moving forward, regardless of trump/maga getting dumped in the future. We will have broken centuries of promises, support and prosperity because of egg prices. If the EU and NATO go it alone vs Russia in Ukraine and they find themselves successful, which they probably will, why would you need the dickhead across the pond? We will lose are position among the global powers and find ourselves isolated without many true allies. Sure, we won't be enemies with the EU, Canada or Mexico. But why would they work with us as much, if at all, given how Americans handled themselves electing trump knowing what he stands for.
I don't think maga truly grasps how close we are to becoming a has been country. They want America first, well it's going to be America only soon and it isn't what they think it's going to be. Ukraine and EU relationships have much bigger reach than you think. Sure, let's burn it all to the ground.
Joe Biden and this idiot who runs Ukraine betrayed the American taxpayer by pocketing billions of our money. And calling it a war. While pocketing billions. Of our money.
If you would like to discuss any salient facts regarding that coup, I'm happy to do so.The Stubborn Legend of a Western ‘Coup’ in Ukraine
Ten years on, there is still confusion over what, exactly, transpired on the last days of the Maidan.
You had a murderous insurrection, with the mob taking over government building and killing police.
The elected president fled the mob in fear of his life, and the constitutional vote threshold for his official removal by the legislature was not met.
When you have the unconstitutional removal of a duly elected head of state, that's a coup.
coup
/ko͞o/
noun
1. a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government.
Ukraine is only an ally to whatever country wants to send them money to launder.
Trump looks like he’s just getting ready to spit. I would have taken him for a swallower.
Who would have thought?
I keep getting emails about hot Ukrainian women wanting to go on a date. Is this the type of date where I pay money?
Like Trump you're pushing the same old Kremlin line. Putin would be so proud. So you have no problem with Putin's Russia invading a sovereign country (US allie) without provocation? And what proof do you have of Biden and Zelinsky "pocketing billions" of taxpayer money - please provide your sources? The money for the war was approved on a bipartisan basis by congress.
‘Work with us’ to do what exactly?
Invade Iraq again?
Of the last 35 years, which wars and regime change efforts do you wish the US had stayed out of. Any? Or was it always the right choice, and serving ‘America’s interest’ to bomb and regime change country after country in MENA?
