Trump calls Senate ally Lindsey Graham a ‘RINO’ over differences in pardoning Jan. 6 rioters

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Former president Donald Trump castigated Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), one of his closest allies in the Senate, as a “RINO” for disagreeing with him over whether some Trump supporters being prosecuted in relation to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection deserve presidential pardons.

“Well, Lindsey Graham’s wrong. I mean, Lindsey’s a nice guy, but he’s a RINO,” Trump said in an interview aired Tuesday night on Newsmax, using the acronym for “Republican in name only,” a term used by Republicans to insult those they don’t believe belong in the party.
“Lindsey Graham doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about if he says that,” Trump added later in the interview, during which he continued to advocate for pardons for many Jan. 6 rioters, calling some of them “patriots.”

In a statement Wednesday, Graham made no mention of Trump but stood by his position that he does not favor pardons.






“For us to remain a nation of laws, not men, we must speak with one voice when it comes to politically motivated violence,” Graham said. “All Americans are entitled to have a speedy trial and their day in court, but those who actively engage in violence for whatever political cause must be held accountable and not be forgiven.”
Separately, Trump said in a legal filing this week that the arguments of Capitol Police officers injured in the attack who are suing him “grasp at straws” and that the blame for violence that day belongs with congressional and municipal leaders in Washington.
Trump suggests that if he is reelected, he will pardon Jan. 6 Capitol rioters

Trump first dangled the prospect of pardons for Jan. 6 rioters at a rally Saturday in Texas. If he is reelected in 2024, he said, “We will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly.”







Graham was among several prominent Republicans who later pushed back against Trump’s comments. During an appearance Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Graham called the suggestion of clemency for those accused in the Capitol riot “inappropriate.”
“I don’t want to reinforce that defiling the Capitol was okay,” Graham said. Those who stormed the Capitol, he added, should “go to jail and get the book thrown at them, because they deserve it.”
While Graham was initially critical of Trump’s actions related to the insurrection, he has emerged as one of the biggest cheerleaders for another Trump run for the White House.
In an interview last month on Fox News, for example, Graham called Trump “the most consequential Republican since Ronald Reagan” and said he could handily win the GOP nomination if he wanted it and be reelected president in 2024.







Graham also said he would not support Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for reelection as the Senate GOP leader if he did not build a better “working relationship” with Trump. The former president has repeatedly taken aim at McConnell recently for perceived shortcomings as a leader.
“If you want to be a Republican leader in the House or the Senate, you have to have a working relationship with President Donald Trump,” said Graham, who has played golf with Trump on multiple occasions.
McConnell did not fully embrace Trump’s suggestion of pardons for Jan. 6 rioters, telling reporters Tuesday that “I would not be in favor of shortening any of the sentences for any of the people who pleaded guilty to crimes.”

During the Newsmax interview, Trump continued to insist that Jan. 6 rioters were being treated more harshly than “radical left people” involved in protests by groups such as antifa and Black Lives Matter.






“I would absolutely give them a pardon if things don’t work out fairly,” Trump said of the Jan. 6 rioters being prosecuted.
He said the punishments being meted out to his supporters were “like 20 times out of proportion.”
“Some of these people are not guilty. Many of these people are not guilty,” Trump said. “In many cases, they’re patriots. They’re soldiers. They’re policemen.”
Trump also sought to downplay the violence of the day.
“Don’t forget, with the exception of one young fine woman, nobody died on January 6,” he claimed. “Nobody died on January 6. They like to say five people, but nobody died on January 6. … The one person who died was Ashli Babbitt. She was killed by a ruthless man that never should have used his gun to shoot her.”

Babbitt was fatally shot by a U.S. Capitol Police officer as she attempted to climb through the broken window of a door inside the Capitol and enter an area where members of Congress and staff were being protected. An internal investigation cleared a Capitol Police officer of any wrongdoing.


In the days and weeks after the Jan. 6 attack, five officers who had served at the Capitol that day also died, several by suicide.
Three other Trump supporters at the Capitol that day also died. The medical examiner determined that two deaths were due to natural causes and a third to a drug overdose.
More than 140 police officers were injured in connection with the insurrection.

In a legal filing Monday, lawyers for Trump pushed back against claims of Capitol Police officers that Trump had conspired with members of right-wing militia groups, among others, to trigger the attempt on Jan. 6 to overturn the 2020 presidential election results.
“The facts in this case are clear,” the filing said. “President Trump acted promptly and reasonably to prevent danger and damage on January 6, 2021. Other congressional and D.C. leadership did not. Plaintiffs now seek to twist the facts in a blatant attempt to hold the wrong parties liable for the damage they suffered.”






David Brody, a lawyer for the officers, told Bloomberg News that they stand by their claims.
“We are confident that our amended complaint alleged in detail former president Trump’s participation in the unlawful conspiracy and other unlawful acts,” Brody said. “The former president, by his own words and deeds, sought to illegally overturn the outcome of the election in a manner unprecedented in American history.”

 

NDallasRuss

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Was it all worth it, Lindsey?
I'm surprised that there are still people like Lindsey that don't get that there is no goodwill/cred that you can bank with Trump that would allow you to ever cross/contradict him and still expect to stay on his side. You either demonstrate loyalty/fealty to him 100% of the time, or you find yourself on the outside (which, to be fair, is going to happen to everyone eventually). I'm glad to see them all get burned for being dumb enough to think that they could somehow be the exception to a decades-long rule.
 

BGHAWK

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I'm sure every president has or hears a disagreement from a member of his party from time to time and they deal with it privately. trump cannot do it that way, he has to go public and try and humiliate them. How many people since he started running for president 6 or so years ago has he done that to? 50, 100, 500?
 

nu2u

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The walls are closing in on Trump and he is not handling it well.

Mary Trump predicted this months ago. She said that when the investigations of his businesses and his conduct as POTUS begin to reveal the truth and his true character, he will irrationally and impulsively lash out indiscriminately and he will also intensify his demands of unquestioning loyalty. Nothing matters more than protecting his ego, his image, and he will eventually turn on his children if he thinks it will benefit or protect him in some way.
 

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The walls are closing in on Trump and he is not handling it well.

Mary Trump predicted this months ago. She said that when the investigations of his businesses and his conduct as POTUS begin to reveal the truth and his true character, he will irrationally and impulsively lash out indiscriminately and he will also intensify his demands of unquestioning loyalty. Nothing matters more than protecting his ego, his image, and he will eventually turn on his children if he thinks it will benefit or protect him in some way.

That's what blows me away, the man is so clearly nothing more than a cheap huckster who's bullshitted his way to the top after starting with his dad's money. He's so transparently full of shit, unintelligent, not clever, vindictive, and not particularly likeable. Hell, he can't even properly wear a necktie. I just cannot understand the cult of personality.
 

mnole03

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It's good to see all those who bowed down and kissed Trumps ring get this level of treatment back from him. At some point he'll push them all away leaving who left to defend him?
They’re spineless. As long as he’s in charge of the party they’ll kowtow no matter what slander and stupidity he dishes out. Look at Ted Cruz.
 

seminole97

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I say nothing of it's motives. they were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?
 

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I say nothing of it's motives. they were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?

So... fight bar?
 
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Former president Donald Trump castigated Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), one of his closest allies in the Senate, as a “RINO” for disagreeing with him over whether some Trump supporters being prosecuted in relation to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection deserve presidential pardons.

“Well, Lindsey Graham’s wrong. I mean, Lindsey’s a nice guy, but he’s a RINO,” Trump said in an interview aired Tuesday night on Newsmax, using the acronym for “Republican in name only,” a term used by Republicans to insult those they don’t believe belong in the party.
“Lindsey Graham doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about if he says that,” Trump added later in the interview, during which he continued to advocate for pardons for many Jan. 6 rioters, calling some of them “patriots.”

In a statement Wednesday, Graham made no mention of Trump but stood by his position that he does not favor pardons.






“For us to remain a nation of laws, not men, we must speak with one voice when it comes to politically motivated violence,” Graham said. “All Americans are entitled to have a speedy trial and their day in court, but those who actively engage in violence for whatever political cause must be held accountable and not be forgiven.”
Separately, Trump said in a legal filing this week that the arguments of Capitol Police officers injured in the attack who are suing him “grasp at straws” and that the blame for violence that day belongs with congressional and municipal leaders in Washington.
Trump suggests that if he is reelected, he will pardon Jan. 6 Capitol rioters

Trump first dangled the prospect of pardons for Jan. 6 rioters at a rally Saturday in Texas. If he is reelected in 2024, he said, “We will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly.”







Graham was among several prominent Republicans who later pushed back against Trump’s comments. During an appearance Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Graham called the suggestion of clemency for those accused in the Capitol riot “inappropriate.”
“I don’t want to reinforce that defiling the Capitol was okay,” Graham said. Those who stormed the Capitol, he added, should “go to jail and get the book thrown at them, because they deserve it.”
While Graham was initially critical of Trump’s actions related to the insurrection, he has emerged as one of the biggest cheerleaders for another Trump run for the White House.
In an interview last month on Fox News, for example, Graham called Trump “the most consequential Republican since Ronald Reagan” and said he could handily win the GOP nomination if he wanted it and be reelected president in 2024.







Graham also said he would not support Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for reelection as the Senate GOP leader if he did not build a better “working relationship” with Trump. The former president has repeatedly taken aim at McConnell recently for perceived shortcomings as a leader.
“If you want to be a Republican leader in the House or the Senate, you have to have a working relationship with President Donald Trump,” said Graham, who has played golf with Trump on multiple occasions.
McConnell did not fully embrace Trump’s suggestion of pardons for Jan. 6 rioters, telling reporters Tuesday that “I would not be in favor of shortening any of the sentences for any of the people who pleaded guilty to crimes.”

During the Newsmax interview, Trump continued to insist that Jan. 6 rioters were being treated more harshly than “radical left people” involved in protests by groups such as antifa and Black Lives Matter.






“I would absolutely give them a pardon if things don’t work out fairly,” Trump said of the Jan. 6 rioters being prosecuted.
He said the punishments being meted out to his supporters were “like 20 times out of proportion.”
“Some of these people are not guilty. Many of these people are not guilty,” Trump said. “In many cases, they’re patriots. They’re soldiers. They’re policemen.”
Trump also sought to downplay the violence of the day.
“Don’t forget, with the exception of one young fine woman, nobody died on January 6,” he claimed. “Nobody died on January 6. They like to say five people, but nobody died on January 6. … The one person who died was Ashli Babbitt. She was killed by a ruthless man that never should have used his gun to shoot her.”

Babbitt was fatally shot by a U.S. Capitol Police officer as she attempted to climb through the broken window of a door inside the Capitol and enter an area where members of Congress and staff were being protected. An internal investigation cleared a Capitol Police officer of any wrongdoing.


In the days and weeks after the Jan. 6 attack, five officers who had served at the Capitol that day also died, several by suicide.
Three other Trump supporters at the Capitol that day also died. The medical examiner determined that two deaths were due to natural causes and a third to a drug overdose.
More than 140 police officers were injured in connection with the insurrection.

In a legal filing Monday, lawyers for Trump pushed back against claims of Capitol Police officers that Trump had conspired with members of right-wing militia groups, among others, to trigger the attempt on Jan. 6 to overturn the 2020 presidential election results.
“The facts in this case are clear,” the filing said. “President Trump acted promptly and reasonably to prevent danger and damage on January 6, 2021. Other congressional and D.C. leadership did not. Plaintiffs now seek to twist the facts in a blatant attempt to hold the wrong parties liable for the damage they suffered.”






David Brody, a lawyer for the officers, told Bloomberg News that they stand by their claims.
“We are confident that our amended complaint alleged in detail former president Trump’s participation in the unlawful conspiracy and other unlawful acts,” Brody said. “The former president, by his own words and deeds, sought to illegally overturn the outcome of the election in a manner unprecedented in American history.”

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If I was a cop that day I would have run out of bullets.

I guarantee that if you would have shot 5 or 6 in the head right in a row, it would have ended really quick. Hell, it was proven after the one guard shot 1.
 
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I always thought he looked more like a lesbo than a rino.


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