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Trump makes a deal with Russia

You still showing your face around here after being exposed as the board liar? 😕
I can own up to my posting mistake. Can’t say the same thing for a large majority of the posters on here.
Reguardless, great response. Then again, it’s what your cult leaders tell you to do. Avoid answering the question that you were asked. To quote you “everyone but the cult lemmings can see it.”
 
here's the disconnect

trump supporter commenters think "the deep state" is any time a federal employee doesn't totally acquiesce to whatever trump wants to do

where some (who I would describe as normal, reasonable people) see "a person with an opinion or acting on their professional experience", they see an intricate, multi-layered conspiracy engineered - usually by hillary clinton - to stop the only person they seem to think can do anything positive for the country

Conservative media and Trump's camp do a good job with promoting this idea. There's this deep, corrupt, shadowy organization that is of course lead by the evil democrats (usually Obama) hell bent on destroying the world and doing bad/evil things in general. Only the virtuous cons lead by the heroic Trump can save us!!

It still amazes me how many people believe this, literally.

I saw a meme the other day about Musk/Doge looking for democrat corruption and being demonized for it. No corruption to find on the republican side. Nope... all of the bad in the world is on the other side. People believe this nonsense including Trump and his camp.

Good times ahead!

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If our leaders deem not spending anymore on this war to be in our best interest, so be it.

But that doesn't mean that Zelensky, and the people of Ukraine are in the wrong for trying to drive out the invader. This is all very obvious to any halfway patriotic American.

There are just wars -- defending yourself is just. Protecting your land is just. We all know this.
“The scoundrel burns his country to the ground to rule over the ashes," Sun Tzu

“Strong men make peace, weak men make war,”

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán
 
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Obama, Hillary, Biden, many congressmen, the media have all called Trump a Russian asset and a Nazi. Several have wished death on Trump, and now Trump has been shot once and at least one other attempt. At what point does what is going on in the USA rise to the level of Russia. We are not far off. Trump has not murdered anyone, he has not done anything overtly bad. Why does he deserve the attacks he has received from the left? Other than you just don't like his tweets. It seems like this is a good example of what you said above. The degree of infraction does not match the level of hatred he has received from the left.
Very easy and simple answer.

Does not follow laws on any level, personal nor governmental.
 
You are soo smart and you know so much history that you refuse to tell us about it. Got it.

Have you paid reparations? I bet you have a lot of white guilt don't you. I am proud to say that I have ancestors who fought in the civil war to free the slaves. My family was on the right side of history back then, and I will be on the right side of history as well.
What is it you want to learn? What am I refusing to tell?

I have no white guilt. I didn’t grow up in a segregated society. I’m an AF brat. Do you know what that is?
 
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They are entitled and they think we owe them whatever they want while they give us nothing in return. that is not a good ally imo.
What they want is for Russia to stop indiscriminately killing their people and occupying their country which has been destroyed in the process. What they are asking for is security, which hasn't been offered. Russia is a nemesis who is ruled by a ruthless dictator who has shown time and again that his words mean nothing and he is not to be viewed as an ally. That was all Zelenskyy was stating in the meeting last Friday.
 
What they want is for Russia to stop indiscriminately killing their people and occupying their country which has been destroyed in the process. What they are asking for is security, which hasn't been offered. Russia is a nemesis who is ruled by a ruthless dictator who has shown time and again that his words mean nothing and he is not to be viewed as an ally. That was all Zelenskyy was stating in the meeting last Friday.
I’ve spoken at length with an FSU student that is Russian and a number of Ukrainians. The Russian kid is incredibly smart. I’ve learned a lot from him.

He comes from the area of Russia that borders Ukraine. He explained the language is so close and the people have always gotten along.

I’ve learned a lot from him about the culture.

Think of it this way. Check where St Petersburg is in Russia. Everything to the west is different in terms of economy and culture.

Russia has many subcultures, because of all the land they stole after the revolution and WW2.

Sidebar. This is simply an observation, and not a criticism of the board members.

History is created everyday. People my age and older would traditionally know more about WW1&2, and Vietnam. Teachers could spend time on it. Good teachers incorporate history into their curriculum, regardless of discipline.
 
I’ve spoken at length with an FSU student that is Russian and a number of Ukrainians. The Russian kid is incredibly smart. I’ve learned a lot from him.

He comes from the area of Russia that borders Ukraine. He explained the language is so close and the people have always gotten along.

I’ve learned a lot from him about the culture.

Think of it this way. Check where St Petersburg is in Russia. Everything to the west is different in terms of economy and culture.

Russia has many subcultures, because of all the land they stole after the revolution and WW2.

Sidebar. This is simply an observation, and not a criticism of the board members.

History is created everyday. People my age and older would traditionally know more about WW1&2, and Vietnam. Teachers could spend time on it. Good teachers incorporate history into their curriculum, regardless of discipline.
So I agree with all you've said here but I'm unsure as to why you posted this comment in response to my post. Was there an underlying message somewhere? 🤔
 
So I agree with all you've said here but I'm unsure as to why you posted this comment in response to my post. Was there an underlying message somewhere? 🤔
Actually didn’t mean to. I’m simply adding to what you said.

At least that was my intent.
 
What is in our country’s best interests is not driven by morality. Having said that, stopping a bloody war with the potential to last for years is hardly immoral.
That's how people on the right think. You've admitted that we have no moral compass. We are a nation full of selfish idiots.
 
I can own up to my posting mistake. Can’t say the same thing for a large majority of the posters on here.
Reguardless, great response. Then again, it’s what your cult leaders tell you to do. Avoid answering the question that you were asked. To quote you “everyone but the cult lemmings can see it.”
Mistake?? 🤣🤣 I believe you mean intentional, outright lie. Accountability is a bitch...
 
What greater good is there than avoiding an endless war with millions of deaths and a possible nuclear war?
Stop Russia by supporting Ukraine. Russia is failing. And don’t do it half ass, the way LBJ screwed up Vietnam.

If Russia is not stopped, they will continue to invade countries that have something they want.

It can be swiftly ended, with the right tactics.

Haven’t any of you studied the Korean and Vietnam wars?

Anyone ever attend War College?

Rhetorical question because retired military are likely not posting on message boards. (For a reason)
 
Are you eager to do business with an adversarial country that doesn't share your values?

Why not China? Why not Iran?
We do that everyday in this country with R’s and D’s… the level of genuflecting to the other side that would be required to ever get someone on the other side of the aisle to vote for you is so high you have to change parties to get them to vote for you, and you can’t leave the democrat party ever or you’re nuts (RFK) or a Russian Asset (Tulsi)

This is the reality of modern politics.
 
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Glad your cult of lemmings doesn’t do stupid shit. I mean one of them wants to invade his own country. As you can see in the last quote I quoted.

You talking about the same democracy your cult member chis used to always talk about? How we had to vote Harris to save democracy?
He must really care about democracy these days.
Never mind chis. Just keep supporting the guy who supports putin.
 
You are the person who says nothing can be done. You couldn't stop the war because you only see one way forward. But there are a 1000 ways forward, you just haven't thought of them yet. You are a black and white person, I don't fault you for this, but the world does not work this way. You and the democrats think everyone is a dictator or a nazi. Your words have lost all meaning.
You support and make excuses for putin. You started this thread because it's important for you to "own the libs." You have no thoughts or opinions on policy. You don't understand policy. So your game is to "win" arguments based on how much those arguments annoy liberals. Nothing else. And the sad fact is, those arguments are only annoying liberals because they run contrary to democracy. And yet, you're end game is to be a giddy, uneducated redneck.

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There are fights and injustices all over the world that we dont do anything about, why do we care about Ukraine? It is because we want their natural resources. It is not because we feel bad for Ukraine or the people.
US aid is also an opportunity to weaken the Russian military so it dampens their ability to invade other countries. Biden and Europe’s aid has helped Ukraine deplete Russia’s military, so far as that Russia needed to ask North Korea for help.
 
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To counter this, I searched ChatGPT "Give me a summary of the good stuff Putin has done". I don't agree with the centralized power, but if it works for Russia, who am I to judge.

Vladimir Putin’s time in power has been marked by a range of policies and actions that some see as positive, especially from the perspective of stabilizing Russia after the chaos of the 1990s and strengthening its position on the world stage. While many of his actions are controversial, there are several areas where some credit Putin for improving certain aspects of Russia’s governance and international standing.

Here are some of the key things Putin has been praised for:

1. Stabilizing Russia After the 1990s

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia went through a period of economic hardship, political instability, and widespread corruption in the 1990s under President Boris Yeltsin. Putin is often credited with restoring stability to Russia after this tumultuous period. His leadership helped curb the chaos, bringing a sense of order and control to the country.

2. Economic Growth in the Early 2000s

During Putin's first two terms (2000-2008), Russia experienced significant economic growth. This was largely driven by rising oil and gas prices, which boosted Russia's energy exports. Under Putin, Russia’s GDP grew significantly, and the country was able to pay off much of its foreign debt, which had been a major problem in the 1990s.

3. Improved Living Standards for Many Russians

Economic growth under Putin led to improved living standards for many Russians. There was a significant reduction in poverty, and wages and pensions increased for many citizens. The government invested in infrastructure and raised public sector salaries, which helped improve the quality of life for a portion of the population, especially in urban areas.

4. Strong Nationalism and Pride

Putin has positioned himself as a defender of Russian national identity and pride. He has emphasized the importance of Russia’s historical and cultural legacy, and many Russians feel that he has restored their country’s dignity on the world stage. Under Putin, Russia has projected itself as a global power, particularly in the context of the West’s influence.

5. Restoration of Order in Chechnya

After two brutal wars in the Chechen region, Putin's leadership has been credited with restoring order and stability in Chechnya. While the methods used were highly controversial (including heavy military force and human rights abuses), Chechnya is now largely peaceful, and the region is under the control of Kadyrov, a loyal ally of Putin. This has helped reduce the threat of separatism in the region.

6. Military Modernization

Putin has invested heavily in modernizing Russia's military, including upgrading its air force, navy, and missile systems. This has been seen as a way to strengthen Russia’s defense capabilities and ensure its security in a world where it perceives increasing threats from NATO and Western powers. This military modernization is also viewed by some as a demonstration of Russia’s renewed global influence.

7. Energy Superpower

Under Putin’s leadership, Russia has maintained its position as a global energy superpower, with large reserves of oil, natural gas, and coal. The Russian state has also worked to develop and control key pipelines to Europe and China, giving it significant leverage in global energy markets. This has been a source of economic power and political influence.

8. Strategic International Influence

Putin has worked to reassert Russia's influence globally, particularly in regions like the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Central Asia. Russia’s intervention in Syria, for example, helped ensure the survival of Bashar al-Assad's regime and cemented Russia’s role as a key player in Middle Eastern geopolitics. Putin has also positioned Russia as a counterbalance to the West, particularly the United States and NATO.

9. Support for Traditional Family Values

Putin has positioned himself as a defender of traditional family values, promoting laws and policies that reflect conservative views on issues like same-sex marriage and abortion. These positions have been popular with some segments of the Russian population, particularly in more rural and religious areas.

10. Centralization of Power

While often criticized as authoritarian, the centralization of power under Putin is seen by some as a necessary step to maintain political stability in a country with a history of weak institutions and political chaos. His control over key parts of the government, business sectors, and media has allowed him to keep a firm grip on power, which some see as essential to avoid the kind of instability that marked the 1990s.

In summary, supporters of Putin point to his role in stabilizing Russia, revitalizing the economy (especially in the early years of his rule), restoring national pride, and increasing Russia's global influence. These are seen as significant achievements, especially in contrast to the difficulties and instability faced by Russia in the post-Soviet years. However, it's important to note that many of these successes come with significant criticisms, particularly in terms of democratic freedoms, human rights, and the authoritarian nature of his rule.
You’re a Russian troll/bot. Why else would you defend Putin so enthusiastically? If you are an American, perhaps rethink where you are getting your information.
 
US aid is also an opportunity to weaken the Russian military so it dampens their ability to invade other countries. Biden and Europe’s aid has helped Ukraine deplete Russia’s military, so far as that Russia needed to ask North Korea for help.
And, the Ukraine military? How depleted are their numbers?
 
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