I don’t think that matters anymore. Much more lucrative to extort and receive bribes…
Trump pauses all military aid to Ukraine,...
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By friday.
It's pretty clear the meeting was a set up and this was the endgame.
Even if it is "more tax cuts for the top", why do you think it's ok to take their money to fund another nation's war?
Zelenskyy needs to bend the knee, pledge fealty to the Dear Leader, and hand the keys of his country over. That's all Trump wants.
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Its in America's interests to stop Russia in its tracks.
I don't think it's ok to take it and give billions to Israel which doesn't even need the money.
Sure he does. He hates Zelenskyy.
Because we stand against criminal aggression?
Nah, who am I kidding? Tax cuts for the rich are much more important
The tax cuts are fueled by deficit spending. So not sure if it’s there money anymore.
As for that war. It’s about keeping economic activity open. In the long run. Russia will grab more and more markets by force. Taking them off the table to trade with. It was a huge economic expansion when Eastern Europe was removed from Russian domination. Things have the possibility of contracting now.
Now from a moral standpoint Russia doesn’t want peace. They want to reload. They are brutal to conquered lands. Absolute slaughtering of civilians and kidnapping of children all in an effort to break people. Do you really think a solution brokered between Trump and Putin solves anything.
Trump cares way more about what Putin thinks of him than what Zelesnkyy thinks of him.
In just six weeks????? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤡
He doesn't care what Zelenskyy thinks about him. He gets his rocks off by belittling and demeaning the man on the world's stage. It's important to Trump as he's seeking revenge for that first impeachment and sees Zelenskyy and Ukraine as central to that event. He's also a thorn in Trump's plans to do business with Vlad.
We don't stand for anything anymore. That ship has sailed.
Hurts a little because I really wanted Ukraine to win, but it's the right call.
I thought Ukraine taking the US deal would give Putin everything?
You have turned into such a POS. GFY
From what I understand, the U.S. "deal" took minerals from Ukraine and guaranteed little or nothing in return. It was considered repayment for previous U.S. financial and military aid. No security guarantees. No guarantees of future funding. Nothing.
And Ukraine not giving up all its occupied land to Russia and minerals to us with no NATO or firm treaty protections will pretty much be the justification Trump uses to end sanctions on Russia, and probably sell them weapons or give them military aid.
"Withdrawal" from NATO (Trump can't officially do it on his own, but practically speaking will make it a fact) and withdrawal of all troops from Europe are also a done deal at this point.
Of course not...but I feel like there has to be compromise and realistic about the situation.
You’re not wrong. But the economics long term outweigh letting this go. Putin in the end will target the Baltic’s next. And continue to go after Ukraine. It’s his MO. A piece at a time.
Musk all by himself could finance this war. I don't think you understand how filthy rich these people are.
One man is more important than an entire country fighting for theirs lives? Eff that noise.
I consider myself to be a Reagan Republican. There is no principled way to support or justify Trump's position here. I hope that this is just Trump being an attention whore, and he eventually returns to Ukraine after Zelenskyy says that he is "sorry". But if the U.S. turns its back on Ukraine and supports Russia, that is different than America-first isolationism. That would be a betrayal of everything that the U.S. has stood for internationally since 1941.
Democracy is qualitatively different than tyranny. One should be supported, the other should be opposed.
Democracy is qualitatively different than tyranny. One should be supported, the other should be opposed.
He could probably solve all the poverty in Latin America by himself.
That would help fix the immigration problem.
They had one...until the CIA ran him out of the country in 2014.
So you're also against the Trump administration sending billions to Israel?
I wonder what goes through his head? "Everyone keeps telling me I'm a stupid asshole, must be because I'm so correct."
Trump isn't helping Ukraine even if Zelenskyy apologizes. Let's get real. He will just conjure up some other reason to keep supporting Putin.
What did you think of our stand
Obama didn't even try to put he 'rules based international order' lipstick on that pig, although he did embarrass himself congratulating their tyrant (hand picked by the monarchs on the Gulf Cooperation Council) for winning a single candidate election as a success for 'democracy'.
That shit was shameful, but the press did a pretty good job of ignoring it.
Just think of all the military personnel getting axed. I truly would be sad for my nephew should he get axed just a few years before he's eligible for retirement even though my entire family are Trump voters.
